Risou no Himo Seikatsu - Vol. 17 Ch. 69 - Change

[wilddeath]

He's a powerful figure, from a family good enough to be considered a candidate for the seat of king consort. Not only that, he's well liked by many, especially the soldiers. No matter how well you disappear him, no matter how fervently you deny having anything to do with it, there's just no escaping the consequences. There would be a huge schism between the royal family and all the nobles who backed his faction. Civil war would be likely, a conflict that all but paralyzes the country's functioning would be inevitable. It's just not worth it at all, especially since right not there's no justification to move against him - he's done nothing to compromise the country or the royals yet. He's also useful due to his skills and authority. An autocratic ruler is always balancing his need for the people he employs against his distrust of them and Aura is used to it. Recall that she didn't really trust the MC to have her best interest in mind, since it was so outlandish in that culture for a man to take up a support role to a woman, rather than force it the other way.

So civil war if he stays alive and gets too greedy for power, and civil war if he dies mysteriously or vanishes. sounds like a civil war either way. But i'd imagine a civil war would be easier to put down if he wasn't leading it with his skills.

 

[BKNY_STEVE]

What exactly are Puyol's ambitions? Does he want to become king? Does he want to conquer other nations? What are they afraid of?

 

[wilddeath]

What exactly are Puyol's ambitions? Does he want to become king? Does he want to conquer other nations? What are they afraid of?

He had eyes on the throne, he firmly believes in the superiority of men over women (despite being proven that isn't always the case), and yes he wants to expand military for the purpose of war. All of these things plus he now has a wife who is far more wise and cunning than he is and is willing to be his shadow advisor from now on.

 

[Karretch]

Man, you could've tell her in goo goo gaa gaa analogy, like telling fish to walk on land, or dragging pollar bear to desert and expecting it to live in it.

That's the opposite of what he was saying. He was coding it as an invasive species to take over, realizing the ambition of them needing wood to be self sufficient and thus amass more power than they already have on their already tipped scale.

 

[Diagus]

Next Boss

 

[finalm]

So civil war if he stays alive and gets too greedy for power, and civil war if he dies mysteriously or vanishes. sounds like a civil war either way. But i'd imagine a civil war would be easier to put down if he wasn't leading it with his skills.

He's supposed to be a patriot, so it's not a forgone conclusion that keeping him will lead do war. At least not anytime soon, the country would probably not withstand another one right now. Honestly, the only scenario in which that would happen is if he decided to stage a coup and install himself as king, which is unlikely to succeed as long as Aura keeps the public order and the status quo among nobility. I don't think she considers him to be that kind of threat, he hasn't even really aligned himself in opposition to her. Also, she'd be mad to give him any further honors and power if that was the case. A ruler has many ways to slowly marginalize a vassal over time and make it unprofitable to support him. It would only make sense to begin right away with him, if that was her concern. I think she's just worried that his ambition will lead to him being a big pain in the ass to manage and keep in check, therefore costing her resources and attention that would be better spent elsewhere. We've already seen an example of this - he basically trolled her with that mobilisation order, making her think that it will undermine the country's food supply. In the end the order was reasonable and beneficial for her as well, he just wanted to see her squirm.

 

[BKNY_STEVE]

He had eyes on the throne, he firmly believes in the superiority of men over women (despite being proven that isn't always the case), and yes he wants to expand military for the purpose of war. All of these things plus he now has a wife who is far more wise and cunning than he is and is willing to be his shadow advisor from now on.

Yeah, but he doesn't have space-time magic, or any magic really. He'd never be accepted by the populace as king.

 

[wilddeath]

He's supposed to be a patriot, so it's not a forgone conclusion that keeping him will lead do war. At least not anytime soon, the country would probably not withstand another one right now. Honestly, the only scenario in which that would happen is if he decided to stage a coup and install himself as king, which is unlikely to succeed as long as Aura keeps the public order and the status quo among nobility. I don't think she considers him to be that kind of threat, he hasn't even really aligned himself in opposition to her. Also, she'd be mad to give him any further honors and power if that was the case. A ruler has many ways to slowly marginalize a vassal over time and make it unprofitable to support him. It would only make sense to begin right away with him, if that was her concern. I think she's just worried that his ambition will lead to him being a big pain in the ass to manage and keep in check, therefore costing her resources and attention that would be better spent elsewhere. We've already seen an example of this - he basically trolled her with that mobilisation order, making her think that it will undermine the country's food supply. In the end the order was reasonable and beneficial for her as well, he just wanted to see her squirm.

which is exactly what you want to see in the leader of your military. a self indulgent troll that likes to cause mental grief to their leader.

 

[finalm]

which is exactly what you want to see in the leader of your military. a self indulgent troll that likes to cause mental grief to their leader.

Oh, I'm sure that given a choice between him and a less competent, but non-problematic one she would have prefered the latter. It's a moot point though, since relieving him of duty for someone seen as his lesser would cause almost as much trouble as killing him. It would be seen as the queen pushing her own agenda to the detriment of the nation and not respecting the aristocratic ranks. Remember, this is a feudal kingdom, not an absolute monarchy - the ruler is powerful, but nowhere near powerful enough to oppose a large chunk of the feudal lords. She needs the support of the majority of the nobility and so can't just pick and choose according to neither her own preferences, nor all merit actually. She can only really pick from a select list of "suitable" candidates according to influence level and even then there's always a risk of offending the wrong guy and causing no end of issues. This is why European monarchies have spent centuries taking influence from the fuedal lords and trying to replace them with structures based on commoners, so that they can later conecntrate all the power in the ruler's hands. Though that too ended poorly for them after more democratic ideals began to take root, fataly so for some.

 

[wilddeath]

Oh, I'm sure that given a choice between him and a less competent, but non-problematic one she would have prefered the latter. It's a moot point though, since relieving him of duty for someone seen as his lesser would cause almost as much trouble as killing him. It would be seen as the queen pushing her own agenda to the detriment of the nation and not respecting the aristocratic ranks. Remember, this is a feudal kingdom, not an absolute monarchy - the ruler is powerful, but nowhere near powerful enough to oppose a large chunk of the feudal lords. She needs the support of the majority of the nobility and so can't just pick and choose according to neither her own preferences, nor all merit actually. She can only really pick from a select list of "suitable" candidates according to influence level and even then there's always a risk of offending the wrong guy and causing no end of issues. This is why European monarchies have spent centuries taking influence from the fuedal lords and trying to replace them with structures based on commoners, so that they can later conecntrate all the power in the ruler's hands. Though that too ended poorly for them after more democratic ideals began to take root, fataly so for some.

the worst part is that now that he has his shadow advisor wife, he's less likely to make a mistake that can get his rank stripped from him.

 

[finalm]

the worst part is that now that he has his shadow advisor wife, he's less likely to make a mistake that can get his rank stripped from him.

Yeah, she's definetly more politically savvy and balanced than him, though that's not saying much, as he was likely to fight a foreign dignitary on his own wedding no less. It's probably for the best that he has someone pulling him back from the most rash course of action, though. The queen seems to think so too, moreover, his wife's family are her allies.

 

[isoycrazy]

Yeah, she's definetly more politically savvy and balanced than him, though that's not saying much, as he was likely to fight a foreign dignitary on his own wedding no less. It's probably for the best that he has someone pulling him back from the most rash course of action, though. The queen seems to think so too, moreover, his wife's family are her allies.

True, but the wife did note to her own brother once she is married, her loyalty to the family will be gone. She will be her husband's ally and not to expect any familial feelings to affect her choices. So the Queen expecting something because of that familial connection would be disappointed. So the Queen needs to make sure the wife understands helping the crown is always in her husband's best interests.

 

[finalm]

True, but the wife did note to her own brother once she is married, her loyalty to the family will be gone. She will be her husband's ally and not to expect any familial feelings to affect her choices. So the Queen expecting something because of that familial connection would be disappointed. So the Queen needs to make sure the wife understands helping the crown is always in her husband's best interests.

That's not fully correct. She said that henceforth, her husband's family will come first and her own second. There's still an expectation, that the general would not do anything to jeopardise her side of the family and if he did he could expect her to be less cooperative, even though she'd be obligated to take his side. This was already demonstrated true, when she stopped him from "kidnapping" the foreign knight commander and he backed down when she reminded him.

 

[GridLite]

It's annoying for me that there's no stereotypical "win" in these types of situations. The situation is just your typical "trade-offs", no actual permanent solutions..

it's annoying how "real" this feels. I'm just reading to have a lil escape from reality and then reading this makes me snap back to reality lmao

 

[finalm]

It's annoying for me that there's no stereotypical "win" in these types of situations. The situation is just your typical "trade-offs", no actual permanent solutions..

it's annoying how "real" this feels. I'm just reading to have a lil escape from reality and then reading this makes me snap back to reality lmao

Well, this type of read is an escape from reality for most. After all, hardly anyone gets to ponder these types of scenarios on a daily basis. If you're an actual polititian in power though, then yeah, it probably feels like more work.

 

[Lowtier4life]

I can't get over how stupid "Duke Bilbo" sounds lol

 

[SalvySaroj]

I am seriously tired of this "only fan-serviced in starting chapter" series.
I mean seriously where the fan-services babies popping up right and left but how the f*ck, i need details here in this matter, not some sh*√√y politics details