S-Kyuu Boukensha ga Ayumu Michi: Tsuihou Sareta Shounen wa Shin no Nouryoku 'Buki Master' de Sekai Saikyou ni Itaru - Ch. 4.3

[DBAV]

I have zero hopes but to be real, 99% of series with dramas similar to this never get a satisfying conclusion for me, (be it that the author has a different opinion about who is at fault or how much they are at fault, or that the author is just bad, or that a satisfying conclusion is kinda impossible to begin with or would end the series) So I'm just used to it by this point.

If the manga and the LN actually change things, I just hope for the author to make clear who is at fault and to what degree, instead of this infinite limbo of "the situation just sucks, I did my best, I don't regret anything, but I feel guilty, I want forgiveness, I also won't do jack shit to obtain forgiveness, I will just feel sad and stuff"

Somethin that I would definitely change is

Spoiler

The trial for Sasha. Instead of just showing it the alternative timeline where she doesn't kick out Hayce, also show her what would happen if she was about to kick him but gave him a chance to make his case (as he just got the book), or what would've happened if she didn't chicken out and abandoned him when he was injured from a situation she created, or what if she apologized after a couple of months of a year after the incident, or what if instead of giving up so quickly she kept reaching out after her botched confession. Also, after the trial, she should reflect on it instead of completely forgetting about it

I think the situation is a mess because the author favors Sasha, I've read about 270 chapter or so and every character grows from the MC to the newcomers every one talks and changes bit by bit, but the author keeps throwing away every opportunity to make Sasha mature.

Spoiler: Stalker

The sky castle/city arc was the perfect chance to give Sasha the pimp hand, after pissing on her dream of having the strongest team conquer the dungeons to stalk the MC, her party (not the clan) should have broken down. I mean she ignores them conquers the dungeon with the MC and comes back to a happy family? I'm sure this is not the first chance he had to mature the character but it's the most obvious.

 

[Ponigrap]

Well, elf girl just proved why MC was right not to treat her as a party member. That was NOT cool.

And now we will be shown MC cares about others. Although that elf has proven MC right as to why he goes solo.

B grade adventurer that elf?

Have you forgotten, the MC at the beginning of the comic when he was expelled once said "I will never abandon the weak in order to climb to the top position, like Shasa" even though he looks indifferent he still cares about the weak when they need help and he only becomes sensitive when it comes to his old party and not with other people..

 

[Ponigrap]

There are a lot of people who take MC and his old party's problems seriously, hey... it's just a kid's fight and it's peppered with unexpected events (Hyce almost died because of Shasa's suggestion) which makes their relationship even more tense, Scred never reflects on himself and apologizes That's really the reason they always get a response from Hyce. As Hyce gets older, he just thinks he's stupid about things like that. I need to continue to be an adventurer. If you want to be forgiven, act properly...

 

[Skyknight2003]

Little known fact, that dragon was actually just screaming MERRY CHRISTMAS, they just don't understand dragon.

 

[Malachite_Dragon]

>Green Elephant Dragon
.>It is very much just an extremely large chameleon

"IT'S AN IGUANA! NOW SHUT UP!" -Crow T. Robot, King Dinosaur
(Your post just made me think of MST3K, is all)

 

[cryum]

Have you forgotten, the MC at the beginning of the comic when he was expelled once said "I will never abandon the weak in order to climb to the top position, like Shasa" even though he looks indifferent he still cares about the weak when they need help and he only becomes sensitive when it comes to his old party and not with other people..

What does any of that have to do with what I said? I never said MC should abandon her.

 

[Ponigrap]

Nope...

 

[Ponigrap]

What does any of that have to do with what I said? I never said MC should abandon her.

oh? I just wanted to quote... but even though it's explained, you might not understand it, so just ignore it

 

[xAKLx]

but the author keeps throwing away every opportunity to make Sasha mature

fr fr, for me the craziest example of this was

Spoiler

When another S-Rank wanted to teach her a lesson, and almost killed her, then Hayce and Geist solved the issue and coordinated with each other to not let her know what happened, arguing that she shouldn't have to deal with a "small fry"...... that small fry almost killed her tho! and that wasn't even their intention so if he wanted to actually kill her it would've been different!

And it is not even just Sasha, Sacred as a whole doesn't mature!

Spoiler

Once the team almost broke up (not really) because Sasha and Robin took a deadly mission behind their backs, and they got angry and sad and broke down. What is wild to me is that there's never an acknowledgment that this is what they did to Hayce, talking behind his back and planning to banish him without talking things through with him. In the end, they just came back and forgave her 😂

 

[DBAV]

fr fr, for me the craziest example of this was

Spoiler

When another S-Rank wanted to teach her a lesson, and almost killed her, then Hayce and Geist solved the issue and coordinated with each other to not let her know what happened, arguing that she shouldn't have to deal with a "small fry"...... that small fry almost killed her tho! and that wasn't even their intention so if he wanted to actually kill her it would've been different!

And it is not even just Sasha, Sacred as a whole doesn't mature!

Spoiler

Once the team almost broke up (not really) because Sasha and Robin took a deadly mission behind their backs, and they got angry and sad and broke down. What is wild to me is that there's never an acknowledgment that this is what they did to Hayce, talking behind his back and planning to banish him without talking things through with him. In the end, they just came back and forgave her 😂

I totally forgot that incident even existed! That's how protective the author is with her.

Sacred can't mature because if they do Sasha WILL be forced to do so too.

Spoiler: separation

That was pathetic, I remember it happened way after the sky castle and only lasted for half a chapter, you forgot to mention that Hayce solved it all, the author doesn't even let Sasha be slapped by her team members, that's when Sasha Sue was born....

 

[wallsg]

Yeah, she did what a young support did, except as a solo adult, separate from weird elf age shenanigans.

Getting the herb 2 minutes faster does not change the surrounded by monsters, and the only meaningful purpose is to secure a sample before it gets damaged in a fight. Which you can also do by NOT charging straight in guns blazing where the herbs are.

There is a reasonable number of mistakes to make due to people being imperfect. This is "more dangerous to her sister than the disease" number of mistakes.

PREEE-SEEE-AAA JEEEEEEENKIIIIIIIINS!

 

[DreickDragon]

I really wish LN was different from WN, this author definitely doesn't know how to develop or resolve conflicts... I'm currently on chapter 328 of WN.
What irritates me the most is how stupid and convenient it is for Sacred, it seems that even after 2 of the members declared themselves to Sasha and that they clearly don't like the MC, no one connects the dots that the main reason they banned him was out of jealousy, to keep him away from Sasha, yes, he was weak, but they could do something secondary like strategize, or let him wait until they can get the Headquarters big so they can have another job for him, later it becomes clear that the main members of Sacred later on barely do missions, they spend more time Training recruits or managing the Clan

 

[Ponigrap]

I really wish LN was different from WN, this author definitely doesn't know how to develop or resolve conflicts... I'm currently on chapter 328 of WN.
What irritates me the most is how stupid and convenient it is for Sacred, it seems that even after 2 of the members declared themselves to Sasha and that they clearly don't like the MC, no one connects the dots that the main reason they banned him was out of jealousy, to keep him away from Sasha, yes, he was weak, but they could do something secondary like strategize, or let him wait until they can get the Headquarters big so they can have another job for him, later it becomes clear that the main members of Sacred later on barely do missions, they spend more time Training recruits or managing the Clan

Isn't that normal? If Hyce has awakened his powers, it will only be a matter of time before Hyce and Shasa become a beautiful couple (they both have feelings for each other but are not yet sensitive because they are still too early to understand such things)

Incidentally, Hyce couldn't use his abilities yet, so Raynold and Piazola used that as a reason for his expulsion (because they both knew that Hyce and Shasa had a special relationship) and they took that moment as an advantage to keep Hyce away and get closer to Shasa

It could be said that Raynold and Piazola were evil people who took advantage and contributed greatly to Hyce's expulsion (if they didn't have feelings for Shasa, maybe the two of them could calm Shasa down to make better decisions/methods regarding the Hyce problem)

This can be seen from the other two colleagues. namely Tycon and Robin they actually disagreed in Hyce's expulsion. Raynold doesn't hate Hyce, he's just jealous and Piazola really hates men because of past trauma (it's not just Hyce who is always criticized by Piazola, other male colleagues too)

I think in normal life there are things like this too...

 

[DreickDragon]

Não é normal? Se Hyce despertou seus poderes, será apenas uma questão de tempo até que Hyce e Shasa se tornem um lindo casal (ambos têm sentimentos um pelo outro, mas ainda não são sensíveis porque ainda são muito cedo para entender essas coisas)

Aliás, Hyce ainda não podia usar suas habilidades, então Raynold e Piazola usaram isso como motivo para sua expulsão (porque ambos sabiam que Hyce e Shasa tinham um relacionamento especial) e aproveitaram aquele momento para manter Hyce longe e se aproximar de Shasa.

Pode-se dizer que Raynold e Piazola eram pessoas más que se aproveitaram e contribuíram muito para a expulsão de Hyce (se eles não tivessem sentimentos por Shasa, talvez os dois pudessem acalmar Shasa para tomar melhores decisões/métodos em relação ao problema Hyce)

Isso pode ser visto nos outros dois colegas, nomeadamente Tycon e Robin, eles realmente discordaram na expulsão de Hyce. Raynold não odeia Hyce, ele só tem ciúmes e Piazola realmente odeia homens por causa de traumas passados (não é só Hyce que é sempre criticado por Piazola, outros colegas homens também)

Acho que na vida normal também existem coisas assim...

Yes, as I said, the problem is not the conflict itself. The conflicts are interesting, but they are never well developed or resolved. It's strange how, all of a sudden, everything is fine between him and Sacred.


Like, okay, he has to join Sacred to be able to explore certain more complex labyrinths or those that require multiple people, like the Miniature Garden of God, but why have he and Sacred been working together for a while without any problems? Oh, they(Haise and Sacred) had forgotten about the conflict and kicked him out of the party. Time to resolve this... In 2 chapters, it's resolved with a conversation between him and Sasha, remembering the good times and making "peace", Haise doesn't forgive her, nor Sacred, but he won't deny the new bonds of friendship they created (which for me is forgiveness).

The development may even be normal (which I don't think), but it doesn't make it good or interesting.

 

[DBAV]

Yes, as I said, the problem is not the conflict itself. The conflicts are interesting, but they are never well developed or resolved. It's strange how, all of a sudden, everything is fine between him and Sacred.


Like, okay, he has to join Sacred to be able to explore certain more complex labyrinths or those that require multiple people, like the Miniature Garden of God, but why have he and Sacred been working together for a while without any problems? Oh, they(Haise and Sacred) had forgotten about the conflict and kicked him out of the party. Time to resolve this... In 2 chapters, it's resolved with a conversation between him and Sasha, remembering the good times and making "peace", Haise doesn't forgive her, nor Sacred, but he won't deny the new bonds of friendship they created (which for me is forgiveness).

The development may even be normal (which I don't think), but it doesn't make it good or interesting.

It's eerily similar to how a battered wife returns to the deadbeat husband because the old times were good.

 

[xAKLx]

this author definitely doesn't know how to develop or resolve conflicts

It is not that he doesn't know but doesn't want to solve it. He wants to milk it because the hook of this series is the drama that started it. I think the writing is decent and the story is entertaining, but sadly the thing that makes people come back to read more is that conflict. This is a problem with most of the "Fired from the Party" series, if anything this author has pulled some miracles to make the rest worth the read, but he is not good enough to stop relying on the premise, and maybe no one is good enough.

no one connects the dots that the main reason they banned him was out of jealousy, to keep him away from Sasha

This is something that was implied, Presea even directly implied as much when she had to team up with Reynold, but honestly by this point, I think we can conclude that this is not the case. Maybe they were more open to the idea of firing him and they were happy about his banishment because of their love for Sasha, but it seems like their primary reason for exiling him was because he was weak and was going to die.

Spoiler: Some spoilers for chapters after the last one you read

Haise and Piasolla fully reconciled, and I shit you not, she fell for him, I definitely wasn't expecting her to join the harem, ofc she is in denial and maybe this goes nowhere but she is getting the doki doki for him. Also, she expressed that her real problem with him was that he was deadweight to Sasha.

You can also see this in the trial Sasha went through which shows the possible timelines and the one where Sasha didn't exile Haise, everything was working fine and Reynolds and Piasolla were very friendly towards Haise.

 

[xAKLx]

The development may even be normal (which I don't think), but it doesn't make it good or interesting.

What I hated about this is the author flirting with the idea of developing the conflict but NOTHING CHANGES. with the whole "won't deny the new friendship" that was what he has been doing! Sacred still doesn't own to all their shitty decisions either, and Sasha is constantly like "Haise won't ever forgive me" like, BITCH! do something to deserve forgiveness first! The conflict is constantly treated as something that just needs time to fix and it is on Haise to decide when to, there's never any responsibility on Sacred at any point. Characters always say that "Haise is changing" when they see him behaving friendly with other people, but did he really change? the fact is that those people earn his trust by constantly pushing through his walls, instead of just being sad like Sasha

 

[DBAV]

What I hated about this is the author flirting with the idea of developing the conflict but NOTHING CHANGES. with the whole "won't deny the new friendship" that was what he has been doing! Sacred still doesn't own to all their shitty decisions either, and Sasha is constantly like "Haise won't ever forgive me" like, BITCH! do something to deserve forgiveness first! The conflict is constantly treated as something that just needs time to fix and it is on Haise to decide when to, there's never any responsibility on Sacred at any point. Characters always say that "Haise is changing" when they see him behaving friendly with other people, but did he really change? the fact is that those people earn his trust by constantly pushing through his walls, instead of just being sad like Sasha

That was horrible, during the entire novel you see the old Haise with the newcomers and he looked happy with his new friends, then Sasha decides to become a full-time stalker and mess with him at all times constantly ignoring his wishes, that's why I call her abusive.