S-Kyuu Boukensha ga Ayumu Michi: Tsuihou Sareta Shounen wa Shin no Nouryoku 'Buki Master' de Sekai Saikyou ni Itaru - Ch. 4.3

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but Robin and Tycoon could have visited him, especially Robin who liked him and was opposed to the exile from day 1, unless they were ordered to go no-contact...
fr fr! This is so fucking weird.
Tycoon I understand, he is definitely neurodivergent, I don't think he sees relationships the same way others do, and he is clearly the most honest dude ever.
But Robin? naaaaah. it is said that team Sacred constantly took quests far away because Sasha was scared and stuff, but that doesn't mean that Robin couldn't find time to reach Haise. There's clearly a missing perspective for this time period...
 
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fr fr! This is so fucking weird.
Tycoon I understand, he is definitely neurodivergent, I don't think he sees relationships the same way others do, and he is clearly the most honest dude ever.
But Robin? naaaaah. it is said that team Sacred constantly took quests far away because Sasha was scared and stuff, but that doesn't mean that Robin couldn't find time to reach Haise. There's clearly a missing perspective for this time period...
I can easily imagine Tycoon appearing a few months after the exile "Hyce I found this book at the market, help me study it" and Robin hugging Hyce while asking him out to eat sweets or something like after apologizing.
The funny thing is I've read almost 300 chapters and haven't found this enormous plot hole until now.
 
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I'm not one to defend heroines, definitely not going to defend Sasha ever but in this case there are a few plausible excuses, for once she though the dragon went to hunt and the nest was empty, Presea is B rank so is also plausible for her to not know S++ rank monsters info and she has no guarantee MC was ever going to give her the herb in case there were not enough so I understand her impatience.
Although she could have done something to prevent that. For example turn herself invisible. Or ask her spirit friends to look out for the dragon. No guarantee this would have worked against an SS monster but still better than doing literally nothing.
 
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I have zero hopes but to be real, 99% of series with dramas similar to this never get a satisfying conclusion for me, (be it that the author has a different opinion about who is at fault or how much they are at fault, or that the author is just bad, or that a satisfying conclusion is kinda impossible to begin with or would end the series) So I'm just used to it by this point.

If the manga and the LN actually change things, I just hope for the author to make clear who is at fault and to what degree, instead of this infinite limbo of "the situation just sucks, I did my best, I don't regret anything, but I feel guilty, I want forgiveness, I also won't do jack shit to obtain forgiveness, I will just feel sad and stuff"

Somethin that I would definitely change is
The trial for Sasha. Instead of just showing it the alternative timeline where she doesn't kick out Hayce, also show her what would happen if she was about to kick him but gave him a chance to make his case (as he just got the book), or what would've happened if she didn't chicken out and abandoned him when he was injured from a situation she created, or what if she apologized after a couple of months of a year after the incident, or what if instead of giving up so quickly she kept reaching out after her botched confession. Also, after the trial, she should reflect on it instead of completely forgetting about it
I don't know about the pacing in the novel, maybe you can tell if it's similar to the manga, but...

Yeahh.
This manga had an interesting beginning and it was definitely unique to see a different approach than the typical backstabbing/banning MC from group cliche.
However
The whole story feels super rushed with all the timeskips and lack of lore and character development.
We didn't see MC complete a single quest. It also seems like content was skipped a lot already (conclusion after reading spoilers)
 
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Although she could have done something to prevent that. For example turn herself invisible. Or ask her spirit friends to look out for the dragon. No guarantee this would have worked against an SS monster but still better than doing literally nothing.
Yep, that's entirely on her no excuses here because she can do all of the things you mentioned even at her current level.
I don't know about the pacing in the novel, maybe you can tell if it's similar to the manga, but...

Yeahh.
This manga had an interesting beginning and it was definitely unique to see a different approach than the typical backstabbing/banning MC from group cliche.
However
The whole story feels super rushed with all the timeskips and lack of lore and character development.
We didn't see MC complete a single quest. It also seems like content was skipped a lot already (conclusion after reading spoilers)
The only things the manga cuts at this point are the convo with Sacred at the party and the second part of the convo with Sasha, both were somewhat distasteful and also my first ray of hope that the manga could be better than the WN.
I understand the constant time-skips could be annoying but they are needed to get the meaty content as soon as possible.
 
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It is not that he doesn't know but doesn't want to solve it. He wants to milk it because the hook of this series is the drama that started it.
It's already been resolved, he decided not to forgive, but he won't refuse the new bonds, that is, he's willing to create new bonds with Sacred, which indicates that yes, he forgave them, why the hell would he accept the new bonds with someone he didn't forgive? That doesn't make any sense to me, if he didn't forgive, ok, have a professional relationship just for the labyrinths, like the miniature Garden of the Gods, and life goes on... but now this talk of not forgiving, and accepting the new Bonds as if nothing had happened, that's where the ass falls.
You can also see this in the trial Sasha went through which shows the possible timelines and the one where Sasha didn't exile Haise, everything was working fine and Reynolds and Piasolla were very friendly towards Haise.
yes, I really thought this part was good, in fact it's what would probably happen, after all, they were expelled right after finding Nobunaga's book
Spoiler: Some spoilers for chapters after the last one you read
I really find this one unexpected, I really thought they would just have a professional friendship and nothing more.

One thing I would say is positive about this series is that it is indeed heading towards a harem, the girls have certain rivalries, but they accept each other, Eclipse seems to be the one who most wants to understand and be with Haise... I thought she would be a type of Yandere at the beginning, but she seems to be the most understanding and willing to understand Haise.

Now that I think about it, I think Eclipse did the right thing to be forgiven by Haise

she tried to manipulate him and it didn't work out, and Haise destroyed her Clan's home and threatened her.
and then a short time later she went to him to apologize and confess, she was even prepared to accept the consequences in order to be forgiven (it may be an error in the automatic translation I read, but from what I understood she had already taken painkillers in case Raise broke her fingers or something like that), which was obviously harshly refused, but in order to fix things she stays close to him and does everything she can to not irritate him, and stops following him when she knows he doesn't want to, so as not to be a hindrance to him, but whenever she could help him, she did it or to his friends.
 
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It's already been resolved, he decided not to forgive, but he won't refuse the new bonds, that is, he's willing to create new bonds with Sacred, which indicates that yes, he forgave them, why the hell would he accept the new bonds with someone he didn't forgive? That doesn't make any sense to me, if he didn't forgive, ok, have a professional relationship just for the labyrinths, like the miniature Garden of the Gods, and life goes on... but now this talk of not forgiving, and accepting the new Bonds as if nothing had happened, that's where the ass falls.

yes, I really thought this part was good, in fact it's what would probably happen, after all, they were expelled right after finding Nobunaga's book

I really find this one unexpected, I really thought they would just have a professional friendship and nothing more.

One thing I would say is positive about this series is that it is indeed heading towards a harem, the girls have certain rivalries, but they accept each other, Eclipse seems to be the one who most wants to understand and be with Haise... I thought she would be a type of Yandere at the beginning, but she seems to be the most understanding and willing to understand Haise.

Now that I think about it, I think Eclipse did the right thing to be forgiven by Haise

she tried to manipulate him and it didn't work out, and Haise destroyed her Clan's home and threatened her.
and then a short time later she went to him to apologize and confess, she was even prepared to accept the consequences in order to be forgiven (it may be an error in the automatic translation I read, but from what I understood she had already taken painkillers in case Raise broke her fingers or something like that), which was obviously harshly refused, but in order to fix things she stays close to him and does everything she can to not irritate him, and stops following him when she knows he doesn't want to, so as not to be a hindrance to him, but whenever she could help him, she did it or to his friends.
My ideal combo breaker would have been that! I forgive you (after properly apologizing since they don't even do that) but don't want you in my life, so they could've conquer the garden but they sky city with Sasha or generally her stalker tendencies caused me to despise her, she took half of the novel for nothing, during that time Hyce could've been truly healing with other characters. How about a sky city with Presea and Hijiri? That would show him how it feels to party with decent people.


That trial would've been good if it had some consequences, like everything regarding Sasha nothing does.

Eclipse scared me at the beginning because I though she would make Hyce fall into the edge again but she behaved like an adult and took responsibility.
 
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I don't know about the pacing in the novel, maybe you can tell if it's similar to the manga, but...

Yeahh.
This manga had an interesting beginning and it was definitely unique to see a different approach than the typical backstabbing/banning MC from group cliche.
However
The whole story feels super rushed with all the timeskips and lack of lore and character development.
We didn't see MC complete a single quest. It also seems like content was skipped a lot already (conclusion after reading spoilers)
yes, the manga is rushing things HARD right now, many things are getting skipped. The conversations in the castle were longer for example. And the quest with Presea was a journey. The pacing is good in the novels
 
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he decided not to forgive, but he won't refuse the new bonds, that is, he's willing to create new bonds with Sacred, which indicates that yes, he forgave them, why the hell would he accept the new bonds with someone he didn't forgive?
That's the point of "new bonds" as in, they can't be the same as before because he hasn't forgiven them. If he did forgive them then they could go back to the bonds they had previously.
And no, it hasn't been resolved, he himself said before that he wanted to forgive them but that a part of him screams to not do it, which means that this is still a work in progress instead of an "I will never forgive them".
yes, I really thought this part was good, in fact it's what would probably happen, after all, they were expelled right after finding Nobunaga's book
Proving once again that they are, without a doubt, at fault for everything. If instead of ambushing him with his exile, they at least had a conversation about it, he could've presented the book and asked Tycoon to help to decipher it

And about Eclipse? yup, she did exactly what Shasa should've done 😂 the only problem is that while Sasha was just a stupid piece of shit, Eclipse was an evil motherfucker, but at least she tries!
 
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but they sky city with Sasha or generally her stalker tendencies caused me to despise her
for me, that event would've been good, great even, IF it triggered some kind of change! like Team Sacred being actually mad like "Did you forget about our dream!?" or Sasha reflecting on what she did AND it is beyond me how this didn't result in Haise demanding that if Team Sacred gets a hold of another Forbidden Labyrinths they MUST invite him (and Presea for moral support) to get even.
 
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That's the point of "new bonds" as in, they can't be the same as before because he hasn't forgiven them. If he did forgive them then they could go back to the bonds they had previously.
And no, it hasn't been resolved, he himself said before that he wanted to forgive them but that a part of him screams to not do it, which means that this is still a work in progress instead of an "I will never forgive them".
The point here is the lack of closure, there's none.Hyce is expected to suck it all, stop being a "kid" and become Sasha's lapdog without a clear apology, just some mumbled sorry like a kindergarten kid who's forced to apologize by the teacher.
for me, that event would've been good, great even, IF it triggered some kind of change! like Team Sacred being actually mad like "Did you forget about our dream!?" or Sasha reflecting on what she did AND it is beyond me how this didn't result in Haise demanding that if Team Sacred gets a hold of another Forbidden Labyrinths they MUST invite him (and Presea for moral support) to get even.
That can't ever happen, it means Sasha is wrong and she can never be wrong, the last time she made a mistake was Hyce's exile and after that she's perfect, as if the personality she had to that point vanished and changed to a charismatic and patient leader that's loved by all.
That chance came with the garden of god but Sasha chose to pout because Hyce wasn't willing to become her slave and conquer the labyrinth together, then he did because yeah new bonds....
 
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My ideal combo breaker would have been that! I forgive you (after properly apologizing since they don't even do that) but don't want you in my life, so they could've conquer the garden but they sky city with Sasha or generally her stalker tendencies caused me to despise her, she took half of the novel for nothing, during that time Hyce could've been truly healing with other characters. How about a sky city with Presea and Hijiri? That would show him how it feels to party with decent people.
the Sky citi was a complete waste in my opinion, absolutely nothing evolved even with the two of them alone for a long time, nothing interesting happened as far as I remember, it would be more interesting if he had gone with any other girl, even the receptionist
That trial would've been good if it had some consequences, like everything regarding Sasha nothing does.
Yes, that's why I say that the author doesn't know how to develop conflicts well, he presents the idea well at the beginning, but it seems like he can't develop or resolve... This part was very good, but it seems like it didn't generate anything or evolve anything unfortunately
And about Eclipse? yup, she did exactly what Shasa should've done 😂 the only problem is that while Sasha was just a stupid piece of shit, Eclipse was an evil motherfucker, but at least she tries!
EXACTLY! I like Eclipse much more than Sasha(Maybe she's just playing the good girl because she wants Haise, but okay), she really seems to want to redeem herself, not by speaking, but by showing it, she only apologized once, but she always shows that she wants to be forgiven, if Haise needs help with something or his friends, she helps, if she feels that he doesn't want her around, she doesn't stay around
 
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Yes, that's why I say that the author doesn't know how to develop conflicts well, he presents the idea well at the beginning, but it seems like he can't develop or resolve... This part was very good, but it seems like it didn't generate anything or evolve anything unfortunately
I think the author is protecting Sasha rather than being incompetent, the other character's development during the novel are great, even the discreet Presea subtly changes and you have already mentioned Eclipse.
This mess starts because the author didn't want his Sasha to apologize, heck he considers the two years void solved with the apology at 2.3 and only talks about Hyce's exile, which is important but not the main point as Hyce showed getting really angry for being ignored that long.

The Guild Master calls Hyce a kid but I always wandered if it's for not forgiving Sasha or for not wanting comrades, What do you think?
 
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I think my biggest problem with this series right now is that it seems like it wants to push Sasha as a good girl who is important for Haise's development, and Haise's for her, but... she did absolutely nothing good to help him recover or anything, even Earia (the seventh great adventurer) helped Haise more than Sasha I would say...

Haise helped her think a little, so she could do some Solo missions, instead of always taking her Team or always taking care of the Clan, which she did and liked, but she never did anything positive for Haise, that I can remember, him starting to accept the girls and people around him, owes nothing to Sasha

I don't even know where the hell this great respect he has for Sacred or Sasha as adventurers comes from... now that I remember, they even got in his way when Sasha stopped him from killing one of the bandits/Adventurers, who had kidnapped one of the demon children that Haise takes care of, she was ready to fight him to protecting the guy... I thought this would generate something, but like everything, it came to nothing in the end
 
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The Guild Master calls Hyce a kid but I always wandered if it's for not forgiving Sasha or for not wanting comrades, What do you think?
I imagine it's about Reconciliation, of Haise Ignoring the Good moments for just a few Bad moments of misunderstanding...
which in my opinion is stupid, honestly I didn't see many good things, as I said above, I saw more negative things than positive.

Since the Guild Master trained both Sasha and Haise, in my opinion, he is exactly that kind of Mother who sees a Son Kicking, hitting and scratching his brother, and when the brother pushes or fights back, the mother wants the two to reconcile because they are both wrong.
 
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I think my biggest problem with this series right now is that it seems like it wants to push Sasha as a good girl who is important for Haise's development, and Haise's for her, but... she did absolutely nothing good to help him recover or anything, even Earia (the seventh great adventurer) helped Haise more than Sasha I would say...
Aero Smith If you'd please, but yeah Sasha needs Hyce but Hyce doesn't need her or Sacred for that matter, Hyce proved that once he gets out of the edge he's easily liked and could form a great team.
I imagine it's about Reconciliation, of Haise Ignoring the Good moments for just a few Bad moments of misunderstanding...
which in my opinion is stupid, honestly I didn't see many good things, as I said above, I saw more negative things than positive.

Since the Guild Master trained both Sasha and Haise, in my opinion, he is exactly that kind of Mother who sees a Son Kicking, hitting and scratching his brother, and when the brother pushes or fights back, the mother wants the two to reconcile because they are both wrong.
That would be very disappointing since the GM is a nice guy, so I really hope it's about Hyce's loner attitude.
 
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That would be very disappointing since the GM is a nice guy, so I really hope it's about Hyce's loner attitude.
I believe this because he is good, he seems to want the best for both of them, but he wants Haise to accept the apology and ignore the past, I just don't buy it.
 
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I think the author is protecting Sasha rather than being incompetent, the other character's development during the novel are great, even the discreet Presea subtly changes and you have already mentioned Eclipse.
Yeah, Thats Really true now I stop to think, the other characters evolve and help Haise a lot, it seems that they all understand Haise more than Sasha, it seems that the big rock that is being in this work is precisely Sasha, maybe the author doesn't know what to do with her, but at the same time he wants us to like her.
 

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