Sen no SKILL o Motsu Otoko Isekai de Shoukan Kemono Hajimemashita! - Vol. 8 Ch. 55

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Ahhh did you miss the last panels set where he was pantless?
Not really, but honestly, as long as this arc plays I don't do more than scan over it to see whether or not it's finally going to end and we maybe get something decent.

The Dropping of the Pants isn't even meant as "sexual". It's simply another vehicle for the author to depict how pathetic the guy is, and to set him up for some excuse for Righteous Wrath of the Gallant Knight to make the MC seem more than the wet towel he actually is.
 
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I'll give this one or two eps to see if it gets better, but....
 
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And the bullshit train never ends, wasted pages, stupid internal monologues, dumb stupid arc continuing, if they don't finish this next chapter i'm shelving this for a long time.
 
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I hope this arc ends soon. All the characters are pieces of shit, the mc is useless and naive. Really getting close to dropping this.
It's almost like he lost all of his memories and thus isn't the same useful and not naive person he was before he got mind wiped!
 
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Oh thank God somethings finally happening. I did not think this arc would go on so long with literally nothing happening. This could have been one chapter or better yet avoided entirely. There's really no change coming from this. At most the MC would just finally snap and kill the "saintness" like he should have earlier. I thought it was kinda neat how quickly everyone moved to find him but most scenes don't even have them...

It's taken us this long to have Emma question her actions and maybe grow but I mean we could have gotten that with her just attempting to help kidnap him and that failing and her being forced to confront her idolization of a literal monster (and that'd be like two chapters tops).
 
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I skim the raws for this arc similarly to Tatsuya-Kai. Anything with "mind control" or "selective amnesia" is a contrived plot device by a bad author.

The one and ONLY time I've seen it pulled off well, it was a video game. And only ONE of the games in that series: (not a spoiler since it's in the name) "Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs".
Agreed anything in the realm of it is just... questionable at best. It isn't really that I dislike it (and I abhor the thought of someone betraying another character because of mind wiping or brainwashing).

The problem with amnesia like this is you're basically undoing all the character development and growth for a cheap and boring trick. It doesn't add any conflict and generally does not add any growth because when the situation is over they just return to being how they were before they lost their memory. I've seen it done well before but in those instances they're almost always short arcs (or not even an arc) and use the amnesia to break down a character and discover their core beliefs or have the character visit buried memories that make up their foundation and go beyond the recent selective amnesia to establish why a character is the way they are. The key thing is that the amnesia HAS to be doing something for the character.

Brainwashing is very similar. For me it feels like you're just fridging a character. All development is halted and there's really no conflict because we know they aren't to blame. I really only like the concept when it's more of a bluff or is essentially just persuasive techniques. Like you can make suggestions but can't make someone do something they wouldn't otherwise or when characters ramp up emotions (usually negative ones) that bring out another character's worst qualities but doesn't turn them into different people.

Neither really work for long periods of time and in the case of brainwashing if you ask me you'd always be better off using basic blackmail. That actually introduces conflict (the character is actively choosing to make certain decisions as a result of the blackmail) and keeps the character intact with room to grow at the end (especially with the blackmail often being something they can rid themselves of by being honest).
 
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But he did not do anything yet, and MC is clearly going to stop him. So does it even count?
Legally assault isn't the act of doing its the act of making others feel like you would do something physical. The same goes for sexual assault and usually the violence tags include assault and battery in a kind of blanket way, but honestly who knows what the internet would define sexual violence as. Everything is debatable online and for some reason tags drive people nuts.

I will say the point is generally just to give people who have issues (potentially severe triggers from traumatic incidents) with certain stuff a heads up. And I mean thinking about it from that perspective I don't think it would matter if there was actual touching. I guess this could be solved with a "sexual violence hinted at" tag.
 
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For the love of god, end this arc already. This is just taking too long and the pacing in itself is has been bad.
 
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I skim the raws for this arc similarly to Tatsuya-Kai. Anything with "mind control" or "selective amnesia" is a contrived plot device by a bad author.

The one and ONLY time I've seen it pulled off well, it was a video game. And only ONE of the games in that series: (not a spoiler since it's in the name) "Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs".
Not the first one?
Not that I know much about either, been years since I played Dark Descent, and was stuck without oil and not knowing where to go after going down the elevator, and did not play Machine for Pigs because in my mind it screamed "sequel".

It's almost like he lost all of his memories and thus isn't the same useful and not naive person he was before he got mind wiped!
So... he is not the character we have been following before this arc, and thus any of our connections with said character are turned into annoyance until he starts at least acting as the original one?

As TNT261 mentions, this type of amnesia has to have a goal that improves the character. We either see them acting how they would without a memoy or trauma that would usually change their behavior. An evil person without the baggage that turned them evil, a good person without the situation that made them become good, someone that learned to think things through acting as before they learned that lesson.
Something that gives us character development through removing the development we did not get to see, so we have the before-after contrast.
Which... we do not have here.

That said, I believe people are being a bit unfair with amnesia and brainwashing. These can work if used well...
For example, this arc could have been saved if the scenes of the main character until this chapter had been kept to the minimum, giving the focus to the other characters and skipping him for all but the major scenes.
In-between, show that Elma had been seduced to betray him, show him helping the people at the docks but being driven away before the others see him, then show Elma trying to confess to him. Somewhere in the middle, put a scene of him rejecting the saintess, showing that the brainwashing is not enough.
Everything else of the MC between then and now is better skipped.
Every other scene should focus on the others' reactions.
That should cut this to 4 scenes of the boat group, about 4 scenes of the rest of the main cast. This could probably be compressed to two chapters instead of 8, easily.
Then we reach this chapter.

I will say the point is generally just to give people who have issues (potentially severe triggers from traumatic incidents) with certain stuff a heads up. And I mean thinking about it from that perspective I don't think it would matter if there was actual touching. I guess this could be solved with a "sexual violence hinted at" tag.
I personally think that these warnings should be kept at a minimum to not ruin the story. "Sexual violence" should only be tagged if there is an explicit scene about it, even if the act itself is stopped. Which is not this case.

But again, I had a story I was reading online ruined by those.
Picture yourself: at the start of the chapter there is a "trigger warning: abortion". You expect that at some point of the chapter there will be a mention of it, or that there will be a scene with it being caused, so you prepare yourself.
Instead...
At the end, on one of the last lines of the chapter, the woman they were rescuing says "I lost the baby".
That was it. The whole, long chapter, and the trigger warning is for something at the end of it, something that was clearly meant to be a big deal or surprise but that was ruined because... get this, it was given a very explicit trigger warning at the start of it.
That's like if there was a story about a "will they won't they" couple, then at the start of a chapter there a warning at the start of "they kiss" but the whole chapter until the end was just like a normal chapter.

People don't know how to Trigger Warn.
 
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I skim the raws for this arc similarly to Tatsuya-Kai. Anything with "mind control" or "selective amnesia" is a contrived plot device by a bad author.

The one and ONLY time I've seen it pulled off well, it was a video game. And only ONE of the games in that series: (not a spoiler since it's in the name) "Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs".
..... Ooooooookaaayyyeeee, but I was asking about that specific tag to see if there was any concurrence among the other readers here before I submitted a report to have "Sexual Violence" added as a tag for this title on MD.
 
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Ahhh did you miss the last panels set where he was pantless?
But he did not do anything yet, and MC is clearly going to stop him. So does it even count?
There's nothing sexual about that violence... Pure sadism, puling wings of little birds because you can style....
He's just whipping a doll with a broken mind at this stage.
Ahhh did you miss the last panels set where he was pantless?
Not really, but honestly, as long as this arc plays I don't do more than scan over it to see whether or not it's finally going to end and we maybe get something decent.

The Dropping of the Pants isn't even meant as "sexual". It's simply another vehicle for the author to depict how pathetic the guy is, and to set him up for some excuse for Righteous Wrath of the Gallant Knight to make the MC seem more than the wet towel he actually is.
Folks, the main reason I'm asking is because some people have PTSD from past experiences with sexual assault. And I worry that someone might be triggered from a scene where a woman is being beaten and abused as a prelude to sexual assault, which is clearly implied by this guy dropping his pants.

I know some of us make fun of people for not reading the tags - like the dumbasses who get all huffy when it turns out there's a harem in a title that has the "Harem" tag. But I feel a bit differently when there's content they don't like for which the tag is missing from the title's description. Doubly so if they wind up losing spoons over it (see: Spoon Theory).
 
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But all we get of this is the one panel where we only see his back with pants down, and we know that nothing happened off-screen yet.

So I really think adding a whole tag for just that one scene panel that does not make it clear without context and context even shows it did not and won't happen... kinda makes a mockery of the tag.

I mean, I'd make a better argument about adding an "erotica" tab for the scenes of Elma and the saintess that I forgot the name on other chapters.
 
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The problem with amnesia like this is you're basically undoing all the character development and growth for a cheap and boring trick.

Brainwashing is very similar.
That said, I believe people are being a bit unfair with amnesia and brainwashing. These can work if used well...
I find that both of those are pretty much the same. There are some minor differences, but on the whole, they serve a very similar purpose, which is to reset a character in some way, sometimes adding a new personality. Anyway.

One of the better ways I find them used is if the character in some ways acts contrary to their normal personality, in particular if it's an alliance switch. Most of the time this is a villain who starts hanging out with the heroes and acting more or less heroically. This can easily turn into character development when they learn of or remember their old personality and get conflicted about who they truly are. It's usually less interesting for a hero to turn villain this way, but that's also where the fakeout is a little bit more common, with them deliberately turning traitor.

That aside, it's also frequently used inoffensively but not in any way original way as a starting condition for a character so the audience can learn all about the new world along with the character, in particular in games. Only sometimes is it also used as a plot twist later one when we find out who the character really is.
 
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man why can't this kidnapping arc just end, i hate it so much and it makes me want to just drop the manga, it was SO good before this arc :(
 
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I skim the raws for this arc similarly to Tatsuya-Kai. Anything with "mind control" or "selective amnesia" is a contrived plot device by a bad author.

The one and ONLY time I've seen it pulled off well, it was a video game. And only ONE of the games in that series: (not a spoiler since it's in the name) "Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs".
bro, watch memento
 
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Ah, I remember Memento getting stuck in my brain at the time. Kinda made me want to make an rpg maker game based on the idea there, despite having no idea how it would work
 
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I'm glad he was just a sadist and this didn't get as bad as I thought it'd get. Hopefully she can tell our MC the truth now.
 
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As TNT261 mentions, this type of amnesia has to have a goal that improves the character. We either see them acting how they would without a memoy or trauma that would usually change their behavior. An evil person without the baggage that turned them evil, a good person without the situation that made them become good, someone that learned to think things through acting as before they learned that lesson.
Something that gives us character development through removing the development we did not get to see, so we have the before-after contrast.
Which... we do not have here.

That said, I believe people are being a bit unfair with amnesia and brainwashing. These can work if used well...
For example, this arc could have been saved if the scenes of the main character until this chapter had been kept to the minimum, giving the focus to the other characters and skipping him for all but the major scenes.
In-between, show that Elma had been seduced to betray him, show him helping the people at the docks but being driven away before the others see him, then show Elma trying to confess to him. Somewhere in the middle, put a scene of him rejecting the saintess, showing that the brainwashing is not enough.
Everything else of the MC between then and now is better skipped.
Every other scene should focus on the others' reactions.
That should cut this to 4 scenes of the boat group, about 4 scenes of the rest of the main cast. This could probably be compressed to two chapters instead of 8, easily.
Then we reach this chapter.
while I do agree with some of this, I'd say this plays another role in breaking the "dream" the protaganists were living in before, and handing them some amount of trauma to work with. I wouldn't say it's the best executed plot point out there, but it works, and the characters are solid as rock. also "I lost my memories but not really" is really quite cheap, and does not make a good character. it's plot armor, and it'll take more than that to fix this. this sets us up with the reminder that things are not all sunshine and flowers here, and once things come to a head, I'm guessing the main plot here will kick off, with mc and fl working through their trauma from this as the story progresses.
also aside from what happened in this chapter, what happened in the previous chapters to the mc is also sexual violence, just of a very different kind- in this case unwanted advances driven by brainwashing. and yes I'd imagine this entire arc would be a trigger to someone who suffered the same thing.

re everyone who goes "but why is he so wimpy" HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING. AT ALL, how is he supposed to decide what to do when he's lost and alone with someone trying to force themselves on him, and no idea what's going on. he's actually being remarkably forceful for someone who doesn't remember anything at all
 

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