Senki Survival Saga - Isekai no Unmei wo Kaketa Mujintou Fujun Iseikouyuu - Ch. 32

[T-sama]

Its not japan that's responsible for the majority of censorship but america and UK. Japan is scared of cancel culture, banning from payment processors and overall backlash.

They started to go hard against ero content during Olympics. Now with the new laws in UK they are getting pressured more and more. Just a few weeks mangadex announced the deletion of all loli content. After the DMCA wave last year which crippled this website, hopefully this action will finally break their neck.

The comment sections are now literally the only thing I'm coming back here for.

ero content isn't going away though, sure they might be censoring digital chapters with black boxes and all that shit, but it makes sense if they want to avoid problems since these chapters a lot of time are free and anyone can access them, children included, but outside of that? ero market is still going the same as usual

also, Japan is not scared of whatever USA and UK is doing, as a matter of fact the ones causing all the trouble are christo fascists and conservative karens who want to attack pornography as a whole, proof? not long ago Steam removed some nsfw games due to some Australians karens who complained to credit card providers or something

you guys really need to wake up about who is the real enemy against anything nsfw, it's the same people who have been doing it for decades and to this day are still trying to take down porn, conservatives

@Tavero but didn't you read comments here? People say it's all rainbows and sunshine and I'm just a schizo or something who imagines things, so you must be weird as well and in need of help. /s
Oh, by the way, full male nudity from the back is always fine. Men in undies, with bulges and stuff no matter how big and grotesque are also fine. One man "kissing" another man - it's fine. Oversexualized trap - also fine. No black rectangles of any size detected.

you're a schizo cause you say nonsensical delusional stuff like this:

They aren't afraid of women, it's about taking away from men.

also funny how you talk about full male nudity when Naga is arguably the one showing the most skin and she's not even censored half the time lol

it's also pretty clear that you have a lot of issues with male nudity and gays, most people clearly doesn't so if you're so bothered by it you're free to leave cause the mangaka clearly has no problem with it and he won't stop

also, just to make my point that ero content is fine? they might be censoring the digital release of chapter due to bullshit reasons but the manga version later is completely uncensored as expected as shown by @Snuffy.Flicks

so really, you guys are making tempest in a teacup just cause you can't see some anime tiddies

 

[Tavero]

also, Japan is not scared of whatever USA and UK is doing, as a matter of fact the ones causing all the trouble are christo fascists and conservative karens who want to attack pornography as a whole, proof? not long ago Steam removed some nsfw games due to some Australians karens who complained to credit card providers or something

Thats pretty much what I've said. I don't know why you are arguing with me. however Steam didn't remove the the NSFW content because of these random Karens but because payment processors(MasterCard visa paypal) were threatening them with canceling their services. These same threats are being issues to japanese companies and a lot are complying with censorship. They literally did this with opm anime. Yes they didn't have time/budged for proper animations but they did for censorship.

Proof:

Japan forced to censor opm


So yeah think again If you believe japan isn't scared of western sanctions/censorship orders/payment processors.

 

[T-sama]

Thats pretty much what I've said. I don't know why you are arguing with me. however Steam didn't remove the the NSFW content because of these random Karens but because payment processors(MasterCard visa paypal) were threatening them with canceling their services. These same threats are being issues to japanese companies and a lot are complying with censorship. They literally did this with opm anime. Yes they didn't have time/budged for proper animations but they did for censorship.

Proof:

Japan forced to censor opm


So yeah think again If you believe japan isn't scared of western sanctions/censorship orders/payment processors.

payment processors threatened them because a bunch of conservative karens complained about it, they didn't do it randomly for no reason, every time payment processors do anything is because there's some sort of backlash or complaint about thosr things

as for japan that still ignores the reality of things, that the only things getting any censorship at all are seemingly digital chapters that more often than not are released for free in apps, once again chapters that anyone can read, children included, so it feels more that it's publishers trying to cover their own asses more than anything else

this entire narrative of japan being censored falls apart cause the tank version is always completely uncensored, if any of that was true then all versions would be censored and yet it's not the case

I'm also pretty sure that physical magazines are not censored at all, at least every single case I've seen of black boxes and such are explicitly from series that are released digital for free

there's also the fact that the hentai market is completely unnafected by it which just helps to show how this entire narrative of japan being censored falls apart cause if it was true then it would go way beyond black boxes in the digital chapters of safe mangas, they would also try stop hentai too, especially stuff like loli / shota, toddler and so on, yet they're still going strong without anything getting in their way

saying that anime was censored because of that sounds laughable not gonna lie, is there even a single evidence that was the case or just some random youtuber pulling that out of their asses? cause really, anime having changes and toning down things compared to mangas have been happening for decades, it's not something new, like at all, OPM is not the first series to suffer that and it has been happening long before all this censorship drama started, the video honestly reeks of fake outrage and click bait

 

[T-sama]

Pics below are from Dragon Ball Z, in the anime when Frieza gets cut in half his insides are all a uniform red as if he's made of bologna while in the manga we literally see bits of his guts hanging around, the anime had various examples of that as a matter of fact

Anime always tones down stuff compared to manga, some more than others, some more dumb than others, but it's something that always happened to some extent, it's not something new due to some eeeeevil western censorship

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ningen/comments/1jd38ep

https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/tnbz7m

The OPM changes are more likely because the publisher wanted to reach global market for maximum profit more than anything else, after all if they tone down some parts it's easier to sell, though even if that's not the case they have done it simply because toning down stuff in anime is normal

It might also have something to do with what time they want the anime to run in Japan, I can only imagine they might tone down things to run certain series during prime time for maximum views

 

[SuccubusNFoxesFucker]

most of the other stuff is already covered up. Naga's hair always covers her nipples.

I downloaded from Manga zip and it still has all the black bars. so are you saying the volume release still hides nips? show more proof

 

[Tavero]

payment processors threatened them because a bunch of conservative karens complained about it, they didn't do it randomly for no reason, every time payment processors do anything is because there's some sort of backlash or complaint about thosr things

as for japan that still ignores the reality of things, that the only things getting any censorship at all are seemingly digital chapters that more often than not are released for free in apps, once again chapters that anyone can read, children included, so it feels more that it's publishers trying to cover their own asses more than anything else

this entire narrative of japan being censored falls apart cause the tank version is always completely uncensored, if any of that was true then all versions would be censored and yet it's not the case

I'm also pretty sure that physical magazines are not censored at all, at least every single case I've seen of black boxes and such are explicitly from series that are released digital for free

there's also the fact that the hentai market is completely unnafected by it which just helps to show how this entire narrative of japan being censored falls apart cause if it was true then it would go way beyond black boxes in the digital chapters of safe mangas, they would also try stop hentai too, especially stuff like loli / shota, toddler and so on, yet they're still going strong without anything getting in their way

saying that anime was censored because of that sounds laughable not gonna lie, is there even a single evidence that was the case or just some random youtuber pulling that out of their asses? cause really, anime having changes and toning down things compared to mangas have been happening for decades, it's not something new, like at all, OPM is not the first series to suffer that and it has been happening long before all this censorship drama started, the video honestly reeks of fake outrage and click bait

Payment processors did it because they want to enact control on the population and are testing how far they can go. If you really thing a few random Karens from australia were able to force a multi billion company to potentially lose high value clients, then sorry you are naive.

Mangagamer got in a lot of trouble due to payment processors threatening them because they offer loli content. That means lost sales. Im pretty sure it affects japanese publishers if western importers are unable to sell their japanese hentai products dont you think?

Did you even watch the video? You dont need to listen what that "random youtuber" is saying. The comparision pictures are real. Effort and Resources were used to "tone it down" as you said in your words but not for the animation. Which is literally self censhorship and was definitely NOT done for decades in anime and manga. Im old enough to remember shonen like Ranma1/2 which had visible nipples in the anime and manga. That wont fly anmore today.

 

[Tavero]

The OPM changes are more likely because the publisher wanted to reach global market for maximum profit more than anything else, after all if they tone down some parts it's easier to sell, though even if that's not the case they have done it simply because toning down stuff in anime is normal

Yeah... thats the definition of self censorship. The reason is somewhat irrelevant. However as you said reaching global market with the TV-14 or teen rating meant they voluntairly toned things down.

 

[Snuffy.Flicks]

Buy the manga if you want more.

 

[T-sama]

Payment processors did it because they want to enact control on the population and are testing how far they can go. If you really thing a few random Karens from australia were able to force a multi billion company to potentially lose high value clients, then sorry you are naive.

ah yes, they're trying to take away anime tiddies to show their power of controlling the population, honestly, I'm the one who feel sorry for you if you unironically beleive that kind of nonsense since it's beyon being naive, seriously, stop being terminally online and go touch some grass

Mangagamer got in a lot of trouble due to payment processors threatening them because they offer loli content. That means lost sales. Im pretty sure it affects japanese publishers if western importers are unable to sell their japanese hentai products dont you think?

Mangagamer still selling loli games, they're literally even on Steam to boot, same for Kagura games too, all they did was make safe version of them and give patch separately, so no lost sales at all, and no, it's not affecting japanese publishers because in Japan they're still selling whatever they want without any problem, we don't get even 1% of whatevedr Japan makes because it's all for internal market and they have their own means of payment too

really, nobody losing sales cause they simply found loopholes to avoid any problem, Steam literally has dozens or hundreds of loli / shota game thanks to making them safe and giving patch separately, they're just not going away at all

Did you even watch the video? You dont need to listen what that "random youtuber" is saying. The comparision pictures are real. Effort and Resources were used to "tone it down" as you said in your words but not for the animation. Which is literally self censhorship and was definitely NOT done for decades in anime and manga. Im old enough to remember shonen like Ranma1/2 which had visible nipples in the anime and manga. That wont fly anmore today.

bro, the tone down takes less effort and resources because it's litereally simplied and avoids all the details, what you said doesn't even make sense

self censorship was done for decades, animes showing nipples and such have always being the outliers cause they're the minority, 99% of safe animes just don't do that even if they're full of fanservice

Yeah... thats the definition of self censorship. The reason is somewhat irrelevant. However as you said reaching global market with the TV-14 or teen rating meant they voluntairly toned things down.

yes the reason is completely relevant when someone comes with some nonsesical delusional argument that anime tiddies are being taking away due to some eeeeevil conspiracy theory of payment providers wanting to show their power of control over the population, anime toning down things have always been a thing for decades, you never noticed that because you never stopped to compare them nor you had some random youtuber to tell you what to be angry at with click bait videos

as @Snuffy.Flicks proved once more the manga version of chapters are fully uncensored, this entire whining about black boxes and anime censorship is a nothing burger and we're clearly not gonna see eye to eye since I don't fall for conspiracy theories, honestly, a part of me is surprised you also didn't blame the eeeeeevil woke for the censorship since a quite a few of terminally online people do that

 

[T-sama]

Buy the manga if you want more.

if things continue like this you'll be forced to post every single page without black box to prove it :v

terminally online weebs really want to play victim and feel oppressed cause a few series have black boxes for being released for free in apps even though later we get the fully uncensored tank version

really guys, you don't like the black boxes so much? go guy the volume later and ask someone to scan that version, simple

 

[Snuffy.Flicks]

if things continue like this you'll be forced to post every single page without black box to prove it :v

terminally online weebs really want to play victim and feel oppressed cause a few series have black boxes for being released for free in apps even though later we get the fully uncensored tank version

really guys, you don't like the black boxes so much? go guy the volume later and ask someone to scan that version, simple

I'm surprised nobody has asked for "sauce" on these images.

 

[T-sama]

I'm surprised nobody has asked for "sauce" on these images.

it might have happened if you haven't said that lol

 

[ghostwriter.123]

Thats pretty much what I've said. I don't know why you are arguing with me. however Steam didn't remove the the NSFW content because of these random Karens but because payment processors(MasterCard visa paypal) were threatening them with canceling their services. These same threats are being issues to japanese companies and a lot are complying with censorship. They literally did this with opm anime. Yes they didn't have time/budged for proper animations but they did for censorship.

Proof:

Japan forced to censor opm

The group (collective shout) made multiple complaints to payment processors to get them to make steam take down the games afair.
but i do doubt they wont continue threatening stores to fake down games the ceos/higher-ups dont like.

saying that anime was censored because of that sounds laughable not gonna lie, is there even a single evidence that was the case or just some random youtuber pulling that out of their asses? cause really, anime having changes and toning down things compared to mangas have been happening for decades, it's not something new, like at all, OPM is not the first series to suffer that and it has been happening long before all this censorship drama started, the video honestly reeks of fake outrage and click bait

i watched the video and the censorship is pretty bad
like changing cigarrettes to lolipops bad.
my younger brother had mentioned it when he watched season 3 but i had completely forgotten till now. most of the censorship seemed to be like making skirts and shorts on women longer which i hadn't originally noticed in the clips of the show i saw. i think they also changed a bunch of characters outfits like do-s but im not sure. I jist rember opm being especially egregious in that regard.

But you're right censorship has been happening a lot in anime especially for a REALLY long time. Things get really heavily toned down in the anime prob to make more money and get it broadcasted to more people.

Just that there's a lot more western companies involved in anime production and sales now so things might start getting worse... Plus even companies like bandai arent great in the "keeping artistic integrity and the artists intent" department and would remove anything if it meant uping sales.

 

[T-sama]

i watched the video and the censorship is pretty bad
like changing cigarrettes to lolipops bad.
my younger brother had mentioned it when he watched season 3 but i had completely forgotten till now. most of the censorship seemed to be like making skirts and shorts on women longer which i hadn't originally noticed in the clips of the show i saw. i think they also changed a bunch of characters outfits like do-s but im not sure. I jist rember opm being especially egregious in that regard.

But you're right censorship has been happening a lot in anime especially for a REALLY long time. Things get really heavily toned down in the anime prob to make more money and get it broadcasted to more people.

Just that there's a lot more western companies involved in anime production and sales now so things might start getting worse... Plus even companies like bandai arent great in the "keeping artistic integrity and the artists intent" department and would remove anything if it meant uping sales.

mind you I don't disagree that the self censorship can be really bad and egregorious at times, a few series definitely had publisher going overboard that is undeniable, what I'm arguing against is this entire idea that Japan is some victim of eeeeevil western censorship and so on

really, the reality is that a lot of series get self censorship simply because publishers want money, if they tone down some parts it makes infinitely easier to sell for as many countries as possible, especially with massively popular series like OPM

I think one thing some weebs still don't understand is that anime is more or less mainstream now, been for a little while really, executives want to maximize their profits as much as possible, it's always about profits first and foremost

hell, just to make my point? that's the reason few western cartoons have openly lgbt characters, executives are worried about countries that will refuse to buy them due to being against lgbt, it's quite the same with anime, OPM is arguably a perfect example of that cause no doubt many children also watch it, especially in the west where anime to this day is still seeing by many people as children thing, cue executives forcing it to be toned down to sell for as many places as they can

the only "conspiracy" behind the self censorship is making as much profits as possible

 

[ghostwriter.123]

Payment processors did it because they want to enact control on the population and are testing how far they can go. If you really thing a few random Karens from australia were able to force a multi billion company to potentially lose high value clients, then sorry you are naive.

I don't think the payment processors directly want control. This probably was just a case of them wanting to avoid lawsuits or smear campaigns that can hurt their revenue (or maybe the leaders of collective shout had direct contact with those payment providers?)
There's tons of companies trying that already (like fucking palantir).

yes the reason is completely relevant when someone comes with some nonsesical delusional argument that anime tiddies are being taking away due to some eeeeevil conspiracy theory of payment providers wanting to show their power of control over the population, anime toning down things have always been a thing for decades, you never noticed that because you never stopped to compare them nor you had some random youtuber to tell you what to be angry at with click bait videos

It sets a bad precedent for things to be taken down or controlled by a group complaining to a payment processor who doesnt have any right asking steam or anyone to change stuff on their own platforms.
Some of the people at collective shout are asshole conservative christians that have ties to homophobic, transphobic and anti abortion groups (plus endorse all the privacy infringing child safety laws spreading everywhere) and deserve the blame for this. But what really stops any other org from doing the same thing? The payment processors shouldn't be involved in those sorts of requests and i think they probably only did it to avoid a smear campaign and lose revenue cuz all they care about is money.

 

[ghostwriter.123]

really, the reality is that a lot of series get self censorship simply because publishers want money, if they tone down some parts it makes infinitely easier to sell for as many countries as possible, especially with massively popular series like OPM

I think one thing some weebs still don't understand is that anime is more or less mainstream now, been for a little while really, executives want to maximize their profits as much as possible, it's always about profits first and foremost

hell, just to make my point? that's the reason few western cartoons have openly lgbt characters, executives are worried about countries that will refuse to buy them due to being against lgbt, it's quite the same with anime, OPM is arguably a perfect example of that cause no doubt many children also watch it, especially in the west where anime to this day is still seeing by many people as children thing, cue executives forcing it to be toned down to sell for as many places as they can

the only "conspiracy" behind the self censorship is making as much profits as possible

true
it would mostly be the publishing companies trying to maximize profits (again companies like bandai are kinda infamous for this)

 

[T-sama]

It sets a bad precedent for things to be taken down or controlled by a group complaining to a payment processor who doesnt have any right asking steam or anyone to change stuff on their own platforms.
Some of the people at collective shout are asshole conservative christians that have ties to homophobic, transphobic and anti abortion groups (plus endorse all the privacy infringing child safety laws spreading everywhere) and deserve the blame for this. But what really stops any other org from doing the same thing? The payment processors shouldn't be involved in those sorts of requests and i think they probably only did it to avoid a smear campaign and lose revenue cuz all they care about is money.

there's one good side on some of it though, they tried to take away some nsfw games and such, so what publishers did? made safe versions of the game to be sold, sure there's r18 patches, but I don't think payment processors would go out of their way to try stop that, especially because if they keep pushing it at some point there might be a lawsuit cause they're going too heavy on some business or whatever

which reminds me, I'm pretty sure the conservative karens who whined about nsfw games also attacked Itch.io, which for a week or twk had to hide all nsfw games, now I'm not completely sure how it went but didn't they change that now you can't buy nsfw games, instead you buy points to buy those games? I really need to look better into it, either way they still are full of nsfw games

in the long run these people never win cause publishers always find a way to get around it and if payment providers go too far they risk lawsuits

as for other groups doing the same that's the thing, it's always only conservatives who do that, nobody else, just look at USA how many conservatives are trying to ban porn in one way or another, like Texas

trying to use payment providers to stop nsfw stuff is easy cause the executives at the top only care about their bottom line, if not for that they probably wouldn't pay any attention to the conservative karens, but then publisher finds a loophole and they stop caring about it cause now they're safe from any possible backlash