Shi ni Modori Oujo wa Ikinobiru Tameni Yuri Harem wo Tsukuru Koto ni Shita

[leviadragon]

I hate yuri.

And yet you chose to gatecrash a yuri manga, why?

 

[immy]

Re:Zero, if Re:Zero was good

And yet you chose to gatecrash a yuri manga, why?

He does it with every Yuri that comes to top10 section

 

[1986ctcel]

Because it often represents a fetishized and unrealistic view of how sapphic relationships work? Or because you think lesbians are gross?

Because honestly on that first point I feel it, a lot of yuri is designed for the male gaze and created entirely to fulfill a fantasy. It can get really weird just how incongruent the characters can become compared to what an actual woman is like. Tbf, that's true of BL and hetero romance series too, some people just can't write realistic people.

If you just don't like the idea of two women being intimate then lol.

An interesting take. You're right that women aren't a singularity. You're also right that different cultures express romance, especially gay romance, in a different way (often those ways are built upon the idea that being gay is wrong and/or dangerous but still). That's not really what I meant though, I actually read a lot of GL series (and yeah i like to self-insert sometimes, guys self insert all the time, why can't I?). It's just that I've also read enough to have seen a ton of 1-dimensional series in which every character exists only to blush and kiss and ****, and have no real depth or humanity. It's amazing how much horny junk food gets serialized, regardless of orientation.

I wasn't insinuating that yuri exists exclusively for men, that doesn't even make any sense. In fact I was kinda tying into your point about the fetishization. It feels like a lot of series substitute horniness for good writing, and they seem to do this in a way that is intended to draw the hetero-man demographic in order to boost sales. Obviously this exists in het-romance series as well, perhaps I internally feel it's less notable because it doesn't feel like using sexual orientation as a fetish?

In fact, this series is that particular brand of het-oriented junkfood. The lead doesn't even like girls right? She's straight(or at least male-leaning bi, and possibly aromantic), but doesn't want to keep dying. So she has to fuck girls even though she actually wants to fuck guys. Tbh I wasn't even planning on reading the next chapter, it looks kinda funny but also kinda gross.

Of course, there are series that are just plain better than that. Many of the best romances I've ever read were GL. I'm just saying that it exists, however, I will reiterate that perhaps I was exaggerating the amount of yuri that does this. When I wrote that comment I was being pissy after hate-re-reading the bss in a GL(? the "straight" girl in the pair gets the gay girl's help to seduce guys she's dating. I hate series that make the gay girl into the absolute last option for love that the "straight" girl settles for. I'm getting mad again) series that seemed like it wasn't going to go as far as it did. I think ntr is funny, but naturally I still get hit by the ouch on the rare occasion that it manages to slip through my defenses. It's just that ntr/bss/whatever is usually applied to man characters so it just bores me instead of hurting me.

Anyways yapyapyap I know I talk too much.

Ah yes the "all non-serious ecchi yuri that isn't 100% dramatic all the time is For Men" nonsense, god forbid women (yes turns out a lot/most mangaka and hentai artists are actually women) actually write or enjoy sapphic stuff that's openly horny or comedic rather than "muh realism" (like how Dynasty Scans insists that the trans tag, as opposed to the gender bender one, only be used if a manga is "serious, depressing, and also comphet").

Yuri is also not "Male Gaze" just because it involves ecchi or fanservice (seriously, you're saying this in 2024?) and it is certainly not "made for men" and the surveys back up this blatantly obvious fact.

 

[Assaultsquirt]

And yet you chose to gatecrash a yuri manga, why?

Need less yuri. It's gross.

 

[1986ctcel]

Need less yuri. It's gross.

Nah we need less idiotic homophobes :V

 

[Assaultsquirt]

Nah we need less idiotic homophobes :V

I know of no idiotic homophobes. Only wise homophobes.

 

[yaqwalker32]

Peak Yuri Harem tbh 😇🤟

 

[Jolly_Reaper40k]

An interesting take. You're right that women aren't a singularity. You're also right that different cultures express romance, especially gay romance, in a different way (often those ways are built upon the idea that being gay is wrong and/or dangerous but still). That's not really what I meant though, I actually read a lot of GL series (and yeah i like to self-insert sometimes, guys self insert all the time, why can't I?). It's just that I've also read enough to have seen a ton of 1-dimensional series in which every character exists only to blush and kiss and ****, and have no real depth or humanity. It's amazing how much horny junk food gets serialized, regardless of orientation.

I wasn't insinuating that yuri exists exclusively for men, that doesn't even make any sense. In fact I was kinda tying into your point about the fetishization. It feels like a lot of series substitute horniness for good writing, and they seem to do this in a way that is intended to draw the hetero-man demographic in order to boost sales. Obviously this exists in het-romance series as well, perhaps I internally feel it's less notable because it doesn't feel like using sexual orientation as a fetish?

In fact, this series is that particular brand of het-oriented junkfood. The lead doesn't even like girls right? She's straight(or at least male-leaning bi, and possibly aromantic), but doesn't want to keep dying. So she has to fuck girls even though she actually wants to fuck guys. Tbh I wasn't even planning on reading the next chapter, it looks kinda funny but also kinda gross.

Of course, there are series that are just plain better than that. Many of the best romances I've ever read were GL. I'm just saying that it exists, however, I will reiterate that perhaps I was exaggerating the amount of yuri that does this. When I wrote that comment I was being pissy after hate-re-reading the bss in a GL(? the "straight" girl in the pair gets the gay girl's help to seduce guys she's dating. I hate series that make the gay girl into the absolute last option for love that the "straight" girl settles for. I'm getting mad again) series that seemed like it wasn't going to go as far as it did. I think ntr is funny, but naturally I still get hit by the ouch on the rare occasion that it manages to slip through my defenses. It's just that ntr/bss/whatever is usually applied to man characters so it just bores me instead of hurting me.

Anyways yapyapyap I know I talk too much.

Read ch2 please.
Please.
It will make sense.

 

[leviadragon]

Need less yuri. It's gross.

Yeah well that's just like, your opinion man.

 

[LinkedSet]

Ah yes the "all non-serious ecchi yuri that isn't 100% dramatic all the time is For Men" nonsense, god forbid women (yes turns out a lot/most mangaka and hentai artists are actually women) actually write or enjoy sapphic stuff that's openly horny or comedic rather than "muh realism" (like how Dynasty Scans insists that the trans tag, as opposed to the gender bender one, only be used if a manga is "serious, depressing, and also comphet").

Yuri is also not "Male Gaze" just because it involves ecchi or fanservice (seriously, you're saying this in 2024?) and it is certainly not "made for men" and the surveys back up this blatantly obvious fact.

In some ways this is a misrepresentation of what I was saying. Of course there are a great number of women that produce manga. Horny and/or comedic series can be and are written by and for women, sapphic or not. I wouldn't say all of the sapphic series written by women are for women though. Does that feel like it makes sense? I'm not trying to be obtuse.

The thing you said about surveys, could you link me what you're referring to? What I'm seeing mostly suggests that it's about even between men and women, with hetero male readers being anywhere from 30% to 60% depending on source. For example, Yuri Hime had a 70% female base in '07, but ten years later, some time after Yuri Hime S (which was targeted at men) combined with Yuri Hime, it was estimated to be about 6:4. English-speaking areas of the web (from what I'm seeing) tend to put it in favor of women at ~60% depending on source, but English-speakers are not the ones making most manga, and are not necessarily the target demographic (a lot of series don't even have an official translation, they don't count on the west for sales). Nor can/do western viewers participate in things like popularity polls (sometimes you can if it's the online kind and you know about it but it's usually over by the time you find out about it). Maybe it's a little more common and possible as time progresses, but a lot of that stuff is entirely based around the Japanese audience. Even if it is at the lowest seen numbers of 30%, that's a pretty massive slice of the pie to pander to and the existence of "fanservice" in the first place shows that some writers are very willing to pander.

All this to say, I think you are wrong to assume that no yuri series can be made for straight men. I'm willing to back down on the insistence that this is one of those series, because I have judged it based on one chapter as of my writing those initial posts. I don't think it's unfair of me to suggest that yuri is not all for women though, I think to assume that it is would be naïve.
Also sorry if my lingo isn't up to date(?), I'm the type to still say "righteous" and "sick".

also sorry again for my extreme long-posting my professors always told me to learn to be concise i failed a class because of this once it's hard to stop when there's so much i want to say
this is even after i trimmed a bunch

Read ch2 please.
Please.
It will make sense.

I read it and I gotta be honest with you, I don't think it's the smoking gun you thought. Is there something specific you wanted to highlight/explain? I'm willing to try and see your pov. Anyways, I can accept that I may have prematurely judged the series. Maybe it'll turn out to impress me, or the humor will improve, I should be more open-minded.

 

[nepunepuki]

Well well well, the spaghetti has been cooked.

 

[Project_Demise]

Hope there's a novel for this, and that I can buy it in English. It's a little silly so far, but a good twist on the "evil princess gets a redo" story.

 

[CatFishEater]

"No Lily, No Life", should be renamed to "No Yuri, No Life"!

 

[carlosraruto]

My princess did nothing wrong. They hated her because they ain't her 😔

 

[NumbaOneGLlover]

Hilarious. Need more.

 

[2Q2see]

Ah yes the "all non-serious ecchi yuri that isn't 100% dramatic all the time is For Men" nonsense, god forbid women (yes turns out a lot/most mangaka and hentai artists are actually women) actually write or enjoy sapphic stuff that's openly horny or comedic rather than "muh realism" (like how Dynasty Scans insists that the trans tag, as opposed to the gender bender one, only be used if a manga is "serious, depressing, and also comphet").

Yuri is also not "Male Gaze" just because it involves ecchi or fanservice (seriously, you're saying this in 2024?) and it is certainly not "made for men" and the surveys back up this blatantly obvious fact.

it's like they forgot lesbians exist

 

[leviadragon]

Because it often represents a fetishized and unrealistic view of how sapphic relationships work? Or because you think lesbians are gross?

Because honestly on that first point I feel it, a lot of yuri is designed for the male gaze and created entirely to fulfill a fantasy. It can get really weird just how incongruent the characters can become compared to what an actual woman is like. Tbf, that's true of BL and hetero romance series too, some people just can't write realistic people.

If you just don't like the idea of two women being intimate then lol.

As a disaster lesbian myself, I appreciate the comedic value of a woman who thought of herself as fully straight going through a groundhog day scenario often enough to become really good at seducing women as the most direct method of winning over her detractors she can think of, suddenly realising that maybe all those years has radically shifted her perspective and guys just don't do much for her anymore.

Could this story be appealing to the male gaze? Uh... maybe? Doesn't seem like the author has a particularly high opinion on men in general given how they're caricatured. Either way I know that this shit is hilarious.

Hell, if we really wanted to get into deeeep breakdowns and take a comedy story way too seriously, we could interrogate how such a bizarre and stressful situation could very well have long-lasting effects on someone. Not changing their sexuality mind, but in rebalancing how a latently bisexual individual could relate to both the same and opposite sex differently after all this.

 

[LinkedSet]

As a disaster lesbian myself, I appreciate the comedic value of a woman who thought of herself as fully straight going through a groundhog day scenario often enough to become really good at seducing women as the most direct method of winning over her detractors she can think of, suddenly realising that maybe all those years has radically shifted her perspective and guys just don't do much for her anymore.

Could this story be appealing to the male gaze? Uh... maybe? Doesn't seem like the author has a particularly high opinion on men in general given how they're caricatured. Either way I know that this shit is hilarious.

Hell, if we really wanted to get into deeeep breakdowns and take a comedy story way too seriously, we could interrogate how such a bizarre and stressful situation could very well have long-lasting effects on someone. Not changing their sexuality mind, but in rebalancing how a latently bisexual individual could relate to both the same and opposite sex differently after all this.

Yeah, I think it was a bad take and a worse wording. I can't really do anything now that it's out there though, it's just a humble reminder whenever somebody new replies to this post that I can be a moron sometimes.

 

[HyperKunoichi]

So it's basically "If Re:Zero and Tearmoon Empire had a love child, and then said love child went on to have copious amounts of lesbian sex when it grows up"

I am okay with this.

 

[CatFishEater]

The ending of ch.3 is weird...
Why can't that chic just get into a physical platonic relationship with a male? Instead of wasting money at a hostess bar run by uggos males?

Makes no sense? Too rich to care about intimacy? Wants to now trick her mind with feeling like she's loved, while in actuality, is being milked (literally) from her wallet?