Wait where are you getting they are a guy? Not that a mind btw. It’s just I’m confused cause they refer to them as “her” on the last page so did I miss something?
Sousou no Frieren - Ch. 132 - Pursuit
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Either Sense or Flasch or both are lying and are the leak in Series' team. Thats why Frieren isn't telling her intentions to them until the last moment and alert right since breakfast. Denken is hiding things from Sense for that reason it could have taken place at a different time. Falsch previously lied about not detecting frieren's mana because hes too professional of a mage assassin. Empire's assassins know of frieren as a kill target from the previous arc. If not Falsch, the merchant knew of Frieren and just playing along to lead her ashtray. Remember the previous arc assassins were supposed to take up any secondary profession like a priest.
Hope Fern didn't taste sweet...blood.
Hope Fern didn't taste sweet...blood.
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I have a feeling that Mangaka duo is taking their time with the plot and the second season. No rush, Frieren is a consistent peak.
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more like UR
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Most of those things seem to be more that she is holding back. Which was established as canon in both scales-arc, flashback-arcs, and hairy-arc.
There was an arc about them doing a dungeon as an exam, proctored by hairy girl, and having heavy focus on hairy girl. Hence, hairy-arc arc.
Not "neg-diffed" at all. Frieren didn't even do anything - and we have prior seen it to be well within her capabilities to wipe that scrub in that kind of scenario. More likely she just held back to let her kids gain xp. But since you don't accept that explanation, then coming up with one you do will be your own homework. At the very least we know from other arcs that she could easily have handled the guy if she decided to.
She does have her weaknesses yes. I never said she was invulnerable. Just that she easily wipes any human scrubs.
Against demons she can likely be challenged, and same for other long-lived races like the elves. Even genius human mages might grow to challenge her, though so far only fern is depicted as getting close. Personally I think Cut-girl (HM-slave girl?) also stands a chance, at least if allowed the first attack.
Yes, again, she has weaknesses. Though her detection is one of her best skills, so her getting surprise attacked would be surprising. Also extremely quick at casting spells, and has shown that when given even a fraction of a second to react, she does (just look at hairy-arc arc's final bossfight).
I advise you to reread ch125 where we see her notice the attack before he even entered the door, and she even has several panel's time to see him stand in the door-frame before she allows him to approach and restrain her.
Even then though, that guy was not a scrub like these guys are (ancient assassin), and actually managed to (reportedly, but X to doubt) beat her mana detection. So he had a chance if she hadn't noticed the attack anyway.
I never said she was stupid. Always good to have a warrior backup instead of growing arrogant. Outliers do exist (particularly among insane mages), and she isn't yet aware that these guys are truly scrubs. Though in this case it felt more like she was planning to let stark take the warrior role either way, because she tends to do that.
reportedly*
In this chapter we instead sees her sniffing out anyone with blood on their hands/hair despite it being long past and cleaned. and we already know she is stellar in detection (magical and otherwise), so it would need to be something really out-of-the-norm to truly bypass her mana detection. And indeed, said priest did get detected before he even entered the house.
I can take it seriously when it doesn't actively contradict other scenes in the manga, but when it does [contradict], I label it as "granny giving younglings xp" instead of "plot hole". Because it is no fun if you assume everything is the latter, and for all I know author might intentionally be doing the former.
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She saw his hands were that of a warrior instead of a mere peddler of wares.
Same as with the previous old guy in the village.
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but didn't iris called schritt "her"? am i missing something?
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If this is in any way a setup for Stark to finally have his moment ...
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You're putting Frieren on a pedestal while the story has been telling us she is not infallible from the start.
Lernen would have killed her, as confirmed by Serie.
She has a ton of mana, but hasn't trained for combat before her journey, or between that one and the current one.
Ubel wouldn't stand a chance, since she's at a disadvantage fighting against mages adept at barrier magic.
Radar could have killed her if he wanted to. She admits both her and Fern would be at a disadvantage if surprised multiple times, the fact is that he was fast enough to get her and would have killed her if he wasn't in the mood for chatting.
And it's not a coincidence that a shadow warrior is introduced right before 9 others show up, which is just the setup for them to be taken seriously in an arc all about killing the greatest mage alive.
She even says a warrior could be a good match for Serie, who is much stronger than her, and the story even says it wouldn't be weird for a human mage to be able to defeat her.
Yes, she's still in the top 1% of mages, but it's not like only a Sage or Serie can get her.
No idea who lernen is, but only one whom serie said could fight frieren was iirc her right hand human disciple? Sure, that guy did not seem like a scrub, even if I had forgotten him. So he might be able to.
Is that the Cut girl? Reason I think she stands a chance if given the first attack, is that her attack could cut any and everything, instantly. Also, wasn't barrier magic the thing she cut in the flashback on why she failed the first exam? Either way, her cut spell was iirc considered absolutely instant, so no reactive barrier can be deployed.
No idea who radar is.
Except the shadow warrior was an old elite, and these people are kids. Also, even that old elite would have been insta-gibbed in those 3 panels wasted standing in the door, if frieren had wanted to actually attack (as we saw from her reaction(-to-spell) time in the hairy-arc arc).
Even when she was prone (because she opted to not react), she probably knew spells to easily deal with him (he didn't kill her immediately - did frieren know this would be the case when she decided to let him get close?).
Yes, I never said there are not any individuals who can. But that scrubs like the empire personell can't, and that we haven't been introduced to any living human that can without managing a surprise attack (but you were right that there was likely one, in serie's disciple, who I had forgotten). And that those shadow warriors evidently can't get said surprise attacks even when looking at their most experienced veteran.
LMAOOOOO it's always the same excuses without any evidence. Yeah, Frieren held back, that's why she said in the following chapter she doesn't know what the outcome would be if another shadow warrior were to attack them despite them having a strategy (chapter 126)... Wait, something is wrong here. I thought she was clearly holding back and could defeat the guy anytime if she wanted? Why is she saying this here then? Ooh, yeah, according to you guys, Frieren is a pathological liar who lies even when there's no need to or for no reason. Great. Let's also completely dismiss the points the author is trying to built up narratively, because that doesn't matter if that implies our GOAT Frieren is getting defeated like that! Lol
You lot are SO predictable lmao. What did I say? You're gonna come up with "she held back because she wants to give them experience bullshit".. and it is exactly what you do 🤣
Tell me how exactly Frieren "held back" without using headcanons. Because we have Frieren ACKNOWLEDGING in the following chapters, AFTER the situation was already over that their lives "WERE HANGING BY A THREAD". But as always, I guess you're gonna say she was lying there too. After all, whenever Frieren says something that goes against your headcanons, she must be lying, the author must be lying, everything is a lie...
Frieren didn't do anything is PRECISELY the point, she COULDN'T do anything because she got BLITZED. And the AUTHOR uses that moment to highlight the value of a warrior in a party. But who cares about storytelling, right? We only care about Frieren being invincible here and anything that contradicts that shall be deemed as a lie, lol
She could have wiped him out in that kind of scenario, huh... Your reading comprehension is amazing. The author took their time to HIGHLIGHT the SCENARIOS where warriors have the advantage against mages and Frieren was the one used to tell this plotpoint: "If stark were to attack me and Fern from this distance, we'd be dead. We wouldn't be able to do anything since we wouldn't have time to cast any magic". It's insane how you're going DIRECTLY against such an OBVIOUS established concept lol
Okay, show me. WHEN have we seen Frieren dealing with a shadow warrior before? WHEN, do tell me? That NEVER happened, and after the encounter with the old man, Frieren makes a point saying she can't predict the outcome if they were to be attacked by a shadow warrior of his level again, even if they make up a strategy to counter them. But I guess none of that matters and Frieren can easily defeat anyone whenever she wants, lol. Who cares about what the story is trying to tell us or setting up in the plot.
Frieren quite literally makes a point that a suprise attack at close quarters from a highly skilled warrior would be deadly for her because she WOULDN'T have time to cast any spell in time. Stop assuming the characters are wrong/deceiving you when they say things simply meant to give context. I advise YOU to reread chapter 125. Fern notices Stark getting knocked down, warns Frieren, she gets up from bed ready to battle and she STARTS CASTING A SPELL. You can see a spell getting ready to fire off at the point of her staff but she GETS BLITZED (the attack even fires off, you can see at the tip of the panel). Friere DID NOT "decide to not attack", she DID NOT "allow" anything, she got blitzed. Reread the chapter. She gets ready to fire off the spell and the old man closes the distance on her and restrains her.
OH. MY. GOD.
Frieren LITERALLY says in chapter 125: "I didn't sense your mana" to the old man. She did NOT detect him, Fern warned Frieren that Stark had been knocked down and that's when she gets out of her bed. And he was not a priest, he was a shadow warrior. Reread the whole manga at this point smh.
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Ahh, I see now. No wonder you were spouting so much nonsense. You simply don't remember a thing about the manga, lol. Go reread the whole story, seriously. How can you even engage in debates about the series when you don't remember a thing? Isn't it obvious that you're going to be completely off in your perceptions of the story...? Wirbel was blocking THE VAST MAJORITY of her attacks with simple barrier magic in the 1st exam, and the reason why some of her attacks managed to hit him was because her slashes are invisible, so Wirbel was having a little bit of trouble predicting where all of them were coming from, but every single slash who hit a barrier of defensive magic got blocked. The whole gimmick revolving around Ubel's spell is that she CAN'T perceive herself cutting through basic defensive magic.
Big LOL at this.
Frieren gaggers always resort to "the height of magic" argument whenever she takes a L, saying that she was obviously holding back because she didn't use this movement, despite the fact that we know NOTHING about this attack. We DON'T know how it works and what are the requisites necessary for her to use it. For instance, we don't know if she needs to be looking directly at the person for the attack for work, we don't know if it works against multiple people, we don't know if someone fast enough can evade it while she's casting it, we don't know anything... All we know is that Fern got hit by it and that she used this move around 80 years ago as well.
Frieren did NOT choose to "not attack", she got blitzed. There was no panel time "wasted", the moment Radar knocks down the door we see a close-up to his face and next panel Frieren is ALREADY charging up an attack at the tip of her staff. Radar closes the distance instantly and binds her down against the floor, grabbing a knife to her throat. She did NOT decide to let him get close, she got speed blitzed. And at that point she was rendered useless. Also NO, she has never shown anything in her arsenal that could allow her to defeat him in that scenario, binded against the floor and with a knife to her throat. She mentions how shadow warriors are TRAINED and SPECIALIZE in counter-act mages. With how skilled he is, Frieren would get her throat sliced before she had the time to finish casting any kind of spell. And that's why afterwards she says their lives hanged by a thread... Can you take it seriously now?
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I also think it is odd for her to say those things, but that doesn't make her a pathological liar. But when faced with the alternative of plot holes, you don't go picking plot holes.
You actually think people are more persuasive if they are "unpredictable" instead of using valid arguments?
I have already referred you to hairy-arc arc. Specifically that final boss-fight there. Where we got to see her actual capabilities.
I dunno about stark. I could believe the dwarf, but stark still seems somewhat low in the power-scalings to me, aside from his endurance.
In hairy-arc arc we see that she has no issue reacting near-instantly to ambushes and casting magic in time to protect herself and even throw in some attacks. While we saw her fight a shadow warrior in that one village, and he was far slower than ferns ambushes.
And that is why we know she intentionally opted to not attack. Because we have seen before that she is not actually that slow in attacking.
Did you entirely forget that when fern woke up and said "frieren-sama" before looking over, frieren was already up and ready on the floor, ready with her staff in hand? Like I said, even if she didn't sense his mana, she clearly had already noticed him somehow.
ps: Finally, I noticed you keep on putting words into my mouth, which are in such bad faith/false that I didn't even deign to respond to them beyond this paragraph. But to give a short answer that mostly covers them as a whole: No, I never claimed she is invulnerable or such, just that she is far enough up the power-scaling that she has no issue dealing with pretty much any everyday average (relatively speaking) human. And that this includes warriors as slow as those "shadow warriors".
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Eh, I will admit I didn't memorise cut-girls entire skillset. I merely remember that they made a big deal about her killing the super-barrier-specialist early on.
I mean, it is a name, so it is not as if that would be surprising that I don't remember. Add to that how it is outside main-cast, and it's obvious it is forgotten.
I was actually mostly talking about earlier in that fight, before that. Where we saw fern's ambushes fail multiple times. But sure, you are right that that thing would also have made her even faster.
that is still a whole 3 panels (4 actually, if we count the door exploding as well), so there was way more time than other moments we compare it to. And as for her shown arsenal, iirc she has shown the ability to cast magic without her staff before? Though tbf that part might just be me mixing up characters (like when we saw Cut-girl do so in ch131).
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