Tensei Shitara Ken deshita - Ch. 94 - Roaring II

[HunterCO]

Bro really could've died and no one would've known lol

 

[arimareiji]

Maybe its just a case of her being the protagonist but I feel like Fran and specifically the black cat race has some sort of assassination skill. It seems like she's always catching people off guard. Maybe they don't notice it because the black cat stats are so weak they die before leveling up.

That's a pretty interesting notion… I really hope it goes in that direction, not in the least because it would be an imperfection in standard isekai god-moding for the reincarnee. (Specifically, if he doesn't know she has this latent skill until it officially manifests during a level-up.)

 

[nathan67003]

Did Fran just fuckin' pull an "you are already dead" move

 

[juancarlospareja]

Remember that her goal from the beginning was to evolve? I only just remembered about that. I wonder what it takes if this fight and hitting lvl 40 doesn't do it.

Spoiler

Requires reaching level 45.

Although because of The Evil Black Cat that Linford mentioned that is no longer enough for black cats

 

[juancarlospareja]

That's a pretty interesting notion… I really hope it goes in that direction, not in the least because it would be an imperfection in standard isekai god-moding for the reincarnee. (Specifically, if he doesn't know she has this latent skill until it officially manifests during a level-up.)

There is a skill called stealth.

It is one of the many abilities that the Shishou has shared with Fran.

And she also got her own stealth skill by training.

 

[juancarlospareja]

It'd be funny if that slash had a slow-acting poison and he didn't notice.

Shishou tiene veneno, Pero alguien como Zealise no morira solo por eso

 

[2000Redred]

To me, Zelyse is a budget Campanella from the Trails series. Kinda like him, but inferior in pretty much every avenue lol

 

[juancarlospareja]

there is evil hope for this evil manga... there is still an evil user who managed to evil jump out of the evil pickle in time

EVIL TIME

 

[juancarlospareja]

Spoiler

The next time Zealice appears, Fran will kill him.

and an hour later Zealice will be killed by monsters.

(that involved time travel and necromancy).

but don't worry, Fran will still have the opportunity to help someone get revenge on Zealice (not Amanda (but she was there (Jean and Follun Too (ZeroSlade was there in spirit (and his spirit was inside a sword (although technically it was the ZeroSlade from a different timeline and not the one we know)))))))

 

[GrimGriefer]

Should have used poison on the blade at the end...

 

[arcosapphire]

Ugh, the writing here. And I don't mean the "evil" stuff, I mean a lot of awkward, lazy, tell-don't-show stuff.

"Hmm, this guy needs to use an attack with high stakes. Should I build anything up about that, so when he unleashes it, the audience will know it's a big deal? Nah. I'll just have him announce to no one that he's going to use an attack that will almost kill him. That way they know. That's good writing, right?"

"Oh right, time to remind people about the bigger villain pulling the strings now. Should we have some ominous foreshadowing, characters coming to a realization about what happens next? No, that would take too much time. Let's have the guy show up unnecessarily, and spell out his exact plans as well as the specific things he was trying to do that were thwarted, so the protagonists aren't left in the dark about anything. After all, they're kinda dumb, right?"

It's really such a disappointment over time when this started with a unique premise.

 

[komachi29]

Ugh, the writing here. And I don't mean the "evil" stuff, I mean a lot of awkward, lazy, tell-don't-show stuff.

"Hmm, this guy needs to use an attack with high stakes. Should I build anything up about that, so when he unleashes it, the audience will know it's a big deal? Nah. I'll just have him announce to no one that he's going to use an attack that will almost kill him. That way they know. That's good writing, right?"

"Oh right, time to remind people about the bigger villain pulling the strings now. Should we have some ominous foreshadowing, characters coming to a realization about what happens next? No, that would take too much time. Let's have the guy show up unnecessarily, and spell out his exact plans as well as the specific things he was trying to do that were thwarted, so the protagonists aren't left in the dark about anything. After all, they're kinda dumb, right?"

It's really such a disappointment over time when this started with a unique

What a weird complaint, is that really need to be something they have to set up? You want 1-2 chapter dedicated to how risky his skill is ? Remember mea using her "never established skill" That she deemed too risky too previous chapter before? It's really not important honestlt

Dude, this is the first time we got confirmation about the big bad villain. Evil God or the former God of war have been teased since the beginning of the manga and are the source of all fiend or monster.
He literally said he vent up and trying to taunt Fran, because fran have foiled all of his plan since the beginning without Fran knowing about any of it.
Preventing kidnapping of Charlotte, stole their alchemical solution, cure all the fiend mutation, and teacher hard-counter his crystal monster. So he's bratty kid throwing tantrum and tried to basically "owned" Fran telling her that he'll makes everyone around her a living hell.

 

[arcosapphire]

What a weird complaint, is that really need to be something they have to set up? You want 1-2 chapter dedicated to how risky his skill is ? Remember mea using her "never established skill" That she deemed too risky too previous chapter before? It's really not important honestlt

Dude, this is the first time we got confirmation about the big bad villain. Evil God or the former God of war have been teased since the beginning of the manga and are the source of all fiend or monster.
He literally said he vent up and trying to taunt Fran, because fran have foiled all of his plan since the beginning without Fran knowing about any of it.
Preventing kidnapping of Charlotte, stole their alchemical solution, cure all the fiend mutation, and teacher hard-counter his crystal monster. So he's bratty kid throwing tantrum and tried to basically "owned" Fran telling her that he'll makes everyone around her a living hell.

I'm not arguing with the actual plot (although it's nothing amazing), just the way it is presented through writing.

They don't need 1-2 chapters dedicated to foreshadowing. But they could have small bits of foreshadowing across 1-2 chapters, so then when the thing happens, it has impact. Instead it reads like "oh shit I forgot to write anything about this--how will Arbitrary Called Out Attack Name have any impact now? Uwaaggh, okay, I'll just have the guy explain it right now before using it!"

It's not like a plot hole or anything, it's just amateur writing. It's like the stuff a seven year old would say when playing an imaginary game. "Um so actually you can't block it because it's unblockable, I just forgot to say it before!"

 

[komachi29]

I'm not arguing with the actual plot (although it's nothing amazing), just the way it is presented through writing.

They don't need 1-2 chapters dedicated to foreshadowing. But they could have small bits of foreshadowing across 1-2 chapters, so then when the thing happens, it has impact. Instead it reads like "oh shit I forgot to write anything about this--how will Arbitrary Called Out Attack Name have any impact now? Uwaaggh, okay, I'll just have the guy explain it right now before using it!"

It's not like a plot hole or anything, it's just amateur writing. It's like the stuff a seven year old would say when playing an imaginary game. "Um so actually you can't block it because it's unblockable, I just forgot to say it before!"

Yeah I know, that's why I'm saying it's kinda weird nitpick.
He just wasn't the main supporting character for this arc, Fran only met gammund once at the beginning of the arc and that's it. It's clearly a deliberate choice not an oversight, since on previous arc he built up around Jeanne netherworld staff and Stefan being a back up plan. It make sense for him since he's the main supporting character for the arc so we are not deviated from the main story at all.
But imagine if gammund get whole 1-2 chapter for that or half of those chapter were dedicated for him. For a monthly released manga its absolutely would break the pace, like do you really need to spent that much time building up for that skill? Unlike Jeanne we only knew him for 1 chapter.

The job already done without, it already shows everyone ready to give everything to save the city and it make even  more sense for him to go above and beyond as guild leader tbh.

 

[arcosapphire]

Yeah I know, that's why I'm saying it's kinda weird nitpick.
He just wasn't the main supporting character for this arc, Fran only met gammund once at the beginning of the arc and that's it. It's clearly a deliberate choice not an oversight, since on previous arc he built up around Jeanne netherworld staff and Stefan being a back up plan. It make sense for him since he's the main supporting character for the arc so we are not deviated from the main story at all.
But imagine if gammund get whole 1-2 chapter for that or half of those chapter were dedicated for him. For a monthly released manga its absolutely would break the pace, like do you really need to spent that much time building up for that skill? Unlike Jeanne we only knew him for 1 chapter.

The job already done without, it already shows everyone ready to give everything to save the city and it make even  more sense for him to go above and beyond as guild leader tbh.

I feel like you're missing what I'm trying to say...it shouldn't be written in a way where the author keeps needing to suddenly explain things right in the moment. It's a problem that goes well beyond this one example.

I'm not saying "they should dedicate a bunch of time to building up explanations of each special move so we understand the impact", so much as saying "maybe they shouldn't keep relying on sudden special moves for narrative impact in the first place, if they can't find a way to build up to them beforehand".

I'll try to relate this with a popularly known example. Let's take the scene from the Matrix where Neo stops the bullets. They didn't have to take us out of the flow for 30 minutes to talk about how it's hard to stop bullets but maybe Neo can do it by manipulating the Matrix in a certain way. But they did build up hints in short bursts throughout the rest of the plot: showing how the agents could dodge bullets, having Morpheus imply that not only would Neo be able to do that, but at some point wouldn't even need to, showing Neo manage to dodge bullets but rather inexpertly, etc. So then when he does stop the bullets, we understand exactly what this is in terms of his progress and what it means. It's an incredibly impactful scene as a result.

If it were done in the way this manga does stuff, it would go like this instead: there is no talk about bullets. Then we get to the scene where he needs to stop the bullets, and Neo says out loud to no one in particular, "oh no, I can't dodge these. I will need to use <Matrix Art> Multiple Bullet Manipulation! This ability will let me stop the bullets--but no one has ever managed it before!" And then he does it. And then the screenwriter smirks about how brilliantly that was handled.

This is what I mean by bad writing. I hope it's clearer now.

 

[komachi29]

I feel like you're missing what I'm trying to say...it shouldn't be written in a way where the author keeps needing to suddenly explain things right in the moment. It's a problem that goes well beyond this one example.

I'm not saying "they should dedicate a bunch of time to building up explanations of each special move so we understand the impact", so much as saying "maybe they shouldn't keep relying on sudden special moves for narrative impact in the first place, if they can't find a way to build up to them beforehand".

I'll try to relate this with a popularly known example. Let's take the scene from the Matrix where Neo stops the bullets. They didn't have to take us out of the flow for 30 minutes to talk about how it's hard to stop bullets but maybe Neo can do it by manipulating the Matrix in a certain way. But they did build up hints in short bursts throughout the rest of the plot: showing how the agents could dodge bullets, having Morpheus imply that not only would Neo be able to do that, but at some point wouldn't even need to, showing Neo manage to dodge bullets but rather inexpertly, etc. So then when he does stop the bullets, we understand exactly what this is in terms of his progress and what it means. It's an incredibly impactful scene as a result.

If it were done in the way this manga does stuff, it would go like this instead: there is no talk about bullets. Then we get to the scene where he needs to stop the bullets, and Neo says out loud to no one in particular, "oh no, I can't dodge these. I will need to use <Matrix Art> Multiple Bullet Manipulation! This ability will let me stop the bullets--but no one has ever managed it before!" And then he does it. And then the screenwriter smirks about how brilliantly that was handled.

This is what I mean by bad writing. I hope it's clearer now.

Huh what? You clearly states your complaint about it have no proper build up? You said it need foreshadowing and I reply " Does it need to do that when it already done the job as is? " What exactly am I missing?

Again, they don't need to do it. It's minor character with minor role that doesn't need to expanded beyond "all the character Fran met in the town come for her rescue", the author already shown how he can do proper set up like Jeanne netherworld staff or Stefan mission or even the Lich diary and many more cases. It's seems like you are the one who don't understand what I said.

What? Ok give me atleast 5 example they are doing exactly what you complaint about. This manga are literally just battle shounen, dude.

 

[arcosapphire]

Huh what? You clearly states your complaint about it have no proper build up? You said it need foreshadowing and I reply " Does it need to do that when it already done the job as is? " What exactly am I missing?

It definitely didn't "do the job" though. And I was trying to explain how there are multiple ways to avoid the lack of buildup issue, not simply throwing the pace off and dedicating solid blocks of time to it.

Again, they don't need to do it. It's minor character with minor role

If they didn't need to do it then there's no point in even throwing that bit in. Why toss in all these loaves of half-baked bread? Like either treat stuff properly or don't put it in to begin with. Throwing it in and then scrambling to explain why the audience should be impressed is awkward, and what I'm complaining about.

What? Ok give me atleast 5 example they are doing exactly what you complaint about. This manga are literally just battle shounen, dude.

Sheesh, there are certainly enough examples in this story, but having to read through it again to find them...honestly, just not something I want to spend the time on. I did make plenty of comments throughout the chapters though.

And the issue is this started off as a bit more unique than a "battle shounen", but yes, it certainly became that over time. We started out with this unique premise of a reincarnation as an inanimate object that needed to form a highly asymmetric relationship to accomplish anything. And we had Fran as someone who wasn't an adventurer, but was a slave simply seeking to escape her fate and live freely.

Both of those are essentially lost, as both Fran and Master are your typical OC adventure protagonists now who can function independently and just get roped into one plot after another. Now it's just a nonstop series of shouting out arbitrary attack names and fighting one big bad after another. I guess if you're into that sort of thing you wouldn't mind, but I'm always hoping for something that is a bit more original. And I'm sad that this started out that way but regressed to the mean.

 

[komachi29]

It definitely didn't "do the job" though. And I was trying to explain how there are multiple ways to avoid the lack of buildup issue, not simply throwing the pace off and dedicating solid blocks of time to it.


If they didn't need to do it then there's no point in even throwing that bit in. Why toss in all these loaves of half-baked bread? Like either treat stuff properly or don't put it in to begin with. Throwing it in and then scrambling to explain why the audience should be impressed is awkward, and what I'm complaining about.


Sheesh, there are certainly enough examples in this story, but having to read through it again to find them...honestly, just not something I want to spend the time on. I did make plenty of comments throughout the chapters though.

And the issue is this started off as a bit more unique than a "battle shounen", but yes, it certainly became that over time. We started out with this unique premise of a reincarnation as an inanimate object that needed to form a highly asymmetric relationship to accomplish anything. And we had Fran as someone who wasn't an adventurer, but was a slave simply seeking to escape her fate and live freely.

Both of those are essentially lost, as both Fran and Master are your typical OC adventure protagonists now who can function independently and just get roped into one plot after another. Now it's just a nonstop series of shouting out arbitrary attack names and fighting one big bad after another. I guess if you're into that sort of thing you wouldn't mind, but I'm always hoping for something that is a bit more original. And I'm sad that this started out that way but regressed to the mean.

It's literally 1 panel, why would they need to dedicated half chapter instead just do 1 panel for 1 minor character?
Because it's show that he ready to sacrifice himself for the town? The move literally called self-destruct. What more do you needed?
If you have comment on several thread, just copy and paste. It's not hard, right?

the premise is bare bones, slave, animal trait, inanimate object, reincarnation is already done to death before Tekken was a thing but they're doing well on execution. It's one of those series that actually execute their series well, the protagonist is strong but she always punching above her weight and only won with unconventional way instead just sheer power level.

it's lost since chapter 1,she was no longer slaves since chapter 1 and became adventurer on next chapter. So it's been problem and lost on it's hook for you since chapter 2? Crazy pull.
skill naming and calling are present since chapter 1 tho? Bro what you talking about? Like seriously, you get detailed and detailed more.
And now even complaining that she have to fight on every arc? Holy moly

 

[arcosapphire]

Etc. Etc.

Look man, you can feel however you want about the story. You like it? That's fine. I'm not here to change your mind. I was explaining my point of view. I'm not going to do a ton of work trawling through all the previous chapters or threads to compile a collection of all the issues I've found over time. If you're interested, as I've said, they're in my comment history. If it's "no big deal" for me to do it, it's no big deal for you to do it either. Of course, you'd probably think there's no reason for you to waste your time doing that. And I think exactly the same. Your defense of this title is ravenous; I know I'm not going to change your opinion, so I'm not going to spend my evening putting together a report for you.

I find a lot of the writing in this story disappointing, and will continue to post my viewpoints as such because it's nice to vent. I will continue reading the story because regardless of that, I do like the premise, which still shines through here and there. You engaged with me on this topic and I replied in good faith with further explanation, but your comments have been getting more insulting over time. So I'm just letting you know I don't owe you any particular response.

 

[komachi29]

Look man, you can feel however you want about the story. You like it? That's fine. I'm not here to change your mind. I was explaining my point of view. I'm not going to do a ton of work trawling through all the previous chapters or threads to compile a collection of all the issues I've found over time. If you're interested, as I've said, they're in my comment history. If it's "no big deal" for me to do it, it's no big deal for you to do it either. Of course, you'd probably think there's no reason for you to waste your time doing that. And I think exactly the same. Your defense of this title is ravenous; I know I'm not going to change your opinion, so I'm not going to spend my evening putting together a report for you.

I find a lot of the writing in this story disappointing, and will continue to post my viewpoints as such because it's nice to vent. I will continue reading the story because regardless of that, I do like the premise, which still shines through here and there. You engaged with me on this topic and I replied in good faith with further explanation, but your comments have been getting more insulting over time. So I'm just letting you know I don't owe you any particular response.

Neither am I, my intention is just to banter and exchange opinion because like I said I find your complaint are weird. But you know what, silly me trying to ask for further example for whatever you complaint about. Clearly something set you off in this chapter and you already made your mind, after you I confronted you it just snowballed and you keep moving the goal post because like I said you already decided that this chapter set you off.

Ok insult? Which one? I never once insult you and also I'm enganged with you nothing but good faith.
Weird complaint? Fine. Moving the goal post multiple times? Fine. But now you accusing me insulting you when I'm never doing any of that.