The Politics Megathread

[Tamerlane]

Well well well...

https://web.archive.org/web/20210205133443/https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

I feel vindicated now. Granted the Times frames this in the most Orwellian propaganda possible but here we are

 

[wowfucktron]

@M0NST3R
I know. I just wish more people would stop caring about appearances and just say what actually needs to be said.

@tamerlane
It is known quite well that Trump hit multiple nerves with corporations and politicians when he correctly implied that big business has its hands on every politician’s balls and will do anything it can to maintain control over the government.

>there was a plot to ouster a supposed dictator via a democratic process
You know what? Us Americans really are subhuman retards.

If he really was a dictator you wouldn’t have had an actual election because he would’ve coalesced power by having a military and political purge thus making America an actual police state. He also would’ve revoked all of our political doctrines because obviously they would’ve been unnecessary.

But he didn’t, not because he couldn’t. But because he didn’t want to. The man was incompetent because his campaign was initially a publicity stunt aimed at promoting his brand but he rolled with it after people started following him.

Anyone who thinks he was an actual threat to the fragile and useless system that is democracy is crying wolf while wearing wolf’s clothing.

Americans are the NPC meme personified.

 

[Halo]

@wowfucktron Interesting. But without any sources, I have to treat it as a fiction.

It was supposed to be a multi billion dollar grant

The California Small Business Covid-19 Relief Grant was only $500 million and could realistically cover only 33k small businesses with average grant of 15k.
With this grant being so meager, I find it hard to believe that anything in the range of "billions" was possible.

 

[Tamerlane]

@wowfucktron

I hope history will remember the lies and deceit of this Election, and the abortion of justice and anti Americanism that it bred.

This will be the start of the second American Gilded Age, where corporate interests and monopolies govern society with no accountability and where violent protests and riots litter the streets.

Except this time we will not be as lucky to get a Roosevelt in thirty years that will quell tensions, or cause the reforms we need. Instead we’ll get establishment elites endlessly using their power to stamp their boots on any grassroots movement that opposes them, whilst astroturfing their own social causes that only serve to give them more social power and the illusion of moral authority to do so.

Be very, very afraid, especially with the purges going on in the army and congress for wrong think.

 

[wowfucktron]

@halo
The rejected grant I worked on was supposed to be a multi billion dollar long-term relief package. I don’t own the documents I worked with so I can’t disclose any of it without asking for permission.

Taxing gasoline, cigarettes and junk food quickly adds up. You average a minimum of ~60 million dollars a day in taxes with current sales in CA.

The currently enacted grant is only using scraps leftover from the budget as well as federal grants. That’s why it has next to nothing provided for businesses.

The CA state budget is extremely strict, if anything is leftover it goes to either emergency relief (usually wildfires but currently business aid) or state debt payment.

The guidelines for federal money are also strict mainly because the feds usually dictate how it’s spent.

@tamerlane

I warned you about socialists bro!!!!
I told you man!!!
I told YOU about socialists!!!

We are currently undergoing a socialist transition which will most likely lead to communism...

Fun...I’ll probably be Gulag’d either because I’m Jewish or because I’m a white male.
I can’t win.

>roosevelt
>great president
What is this unholy revisionism?

Roosevelt became a corrupt snake after a few trustbusts, he stopped caring and actively helped monopolies once he realized it was a losing battle fighting them because the government can be bought off.

 

[2SpiritCherokeePrincess]

@Mr_Detective Rich people shouldn't pay their fair share?
@readingsit What are you talking about? BLM isn't on the chart Halo showed.

 

[wowfucktron]

@2spiritcherokeeprincess
Let me ask you some questions on rich people and taxes.
Everyone who barks and begs for the wealthy to be taxed heavily has a different opinion, most of them having nothing but hatred for people better off than themselves.

What is a fair share by your definition?
Some people say liquid capital should be taxed.
Some say assets should be taxed.
Some say liquid capital AND assets should be taxed.
Some say the wealthy should be lynched.

How much do you tax them?
I can tell right now, the wealthy will just uproot and leave if you tax them too much. That will cause a wealth vacuum which will devastate the already poor economy, limiting your already low potential to earn money.
If you need recent precedence: In 2015 France raised taxation up to 45% on the wealthy French. After the bill was signed, all of them fled to other countries. That action is having a domino effect in the EU as the EU is struggling to keep billionaires and millionaires from fleeing to less tax heavy countries.
The ripple effect caused the average Frenchman/woman to shoulder the tax burden, it also caused the quality of public services to go down.

And what is your definition of rich?
It seems everyday the definition some people use for rich people starts to blur the lines of reality in order to become unapologetically racist, think "all Jews are wealthy" but replace Jew with white people. This one is important to me because my family fled Germany because of stuff like this.
Some people say anyone who is lower-middle class and up.
Some say upper-middle class and up.
Some even say anyone who makes more money than I personally deem acceptable.

So, what do you deem wealthy and how much should the wealthy be taxed in your opinion?

 

[readingsit]

@2SpiritCherokeePrincess
you quoted "the people behind the drama dont like america" which i said in reply to "Americans need to stop exporting their overly exaggerated dramas to other countries" which was a reply to "After election: BLM fell flat in Japan."
you quoted a post that came before the chart my reaction to the chart can be boiled down to "regardless of who posts a fact it remains a fact, pointing to the bias of a website doesnt dismiss their point" and "lol BBC centrist"

 

[Halo]

Wish I could reinvest in myself instead of paying taxes, like that dude Amazon does. Aren't we both people?
I promise to pay double later, just know that my shareholders are patient. 🙂

 

[Mr_Detective]

I implied no such things.

 

[2SpiritCherokeePrincess]

https://fair.org/home/media-owned-by-wealthy-are-quick-to-tell-you-wealth-taxes-are-a-bad-idea/

@readingsit Why respond to what I actually said when you can just throw in whatever, huh?

 

[wowfucktron]

>mansplaining

Remember, being on top means you get to control any and all criticism of self and said faults of self all while playing victim if you don't get your way.

 

[readingsit]

he said that to me, so i guess he is saying he knows that what he said wasnt consistent with what i said he just wanted to 'throw in whatever'? i dont really get it but mansplaining is about as intellectually backwards as manspreading. just because a man does somthing you dont like you cant scream sexist

and a wealth tax isnt a good thing and that not just because of the wealthy but because of the people who want to become wealthy. if the more successful you become the higher you are taxed then what is a persons incentive to succeed? because even if their company makes it big the government will just pound them back to failure the moment they cross that line

as for why its bad for the wealthy ill just quote wowfucktron 2 posts ago:
"I can tell right now, the wealthy will just uproot and leave if you tax them too much. That will cause a wealth vacuum which will devastate the already poor economy, limiting your already low potential to earn money."

 

[Halo]

^66440899

 

[wowfucktron]

@halo
Now post the Biden X Jinping version.

 

[Halo]

@wowfucktron

^70691210

'Tis the best I can do.

 

[Mr_Detective]

^ The above VS

 

[M0NST3R]

@Halo, technically if you started a business under your name and listed yourself as an employee you could probably get away with that. American law is that badly written (which isn't a surprise given its based off British Common Law)

 

[blackyawgdom]

The US also taxes its citizens for their whole life. even if they renounce citizenship and move to another nation.

 

[readingsit]

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