The Politics Megathread

[BestBoy]

@Tamerlane

Wasn't the 2000 race decided because SC stopped a recount?

 

[Chrona]

@BestBoy

Would trump still lose?

We're entering such hypothetical territory I couldn't reliable make any statements. If I were to make any though, the previous time the individual who won the race was accused of cheating(1960 Kennedy vs Nixon), Nixon conceded as he didn't want to start a constitutional crisis. I don't believe Trump is the type of man to back down for similar reasons. If SC did actually rule this time, it would have widesweeping implications. I doubt the majority of Biden's voter base would be morally okay with their candidate winning in such a fashion, and I would believe the centrists of Biden's voter base would object to letting Biden be electing under such terms. But again, such hypothetical territory it's not safe to make any assumptions other than massive upheaval, both political and legal.

 

[Kanami-chan]

@chrona you should ask Berniefans. They've got plenty of experience of being cheated by the dems lol

 

[Tamerlane]

@Bestboy

Yes and no.

Yes in that the SCOTUS's decision to stop the recount was partially due to the view that the different methods of counting votes violated the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment but also because it lead to some ambiguities in the punch-cards such as with the hanging chads, dimpled but not punctured votes, etc. It secondary decided to end the recount because they needed to set a deadline because it seemed to just be dragging out the process.

Whether this would have changed the results one way or the other is questionable. I would have preferred it if Gore won given Bush was a horrible president, but that's neither here nor there.

 

[Ivegotnolife]

I wonder if we'll learn how to do those fancy N Korean cheers in time for supreme leader's ascension? 😪

 

[Nako]

@2SpiritCherokeePrincess what I see in the video you linked regarding Putin is that Trump seems to like Putin (being president of Russia): he praised Putin and would defend him, but I don’t really see anything about Putin sharing that sentiment, at least not in that video . There wasn’t any quote of what Putin says/said about Trump and the video is just speculative when it comes to what Moscow must have been thinking about Trump...?
If I search for videos on the possibility that Putin might like Biden, the first search result is an actual interview with Putin, see here: https://youtu.be/F9zzF0DxtL8 . If I search for actual Putin comments on Trump, I get something like this: https://youtu.be/FEB9a_m8kr0 (video was uploaded in 2016, though, and the translation of Putin’s words might be wrong too as, according to comments, he doesn’t call Trump a “bright person”, but "яркая личность" which translates to “person with striking personality”, which doesn’t have to be positive, it can just mean that he stands out in one way or the other). It’s not really clear to me whom Putin would like more as a president of the US.

@Ceildric voters in the US do not have to identify themselves…? wow….

 

[Tamerlane]

@Nako
Don't waste your time, I'm pretty sure she doesn't even read our replies or even the articles in questions. I corrected her and she blocked me because she thought that the word "Indian" is synonymous with the N-Word. Pretty sure she blocked most of the other people in this thread, too, but whatever.


Also that last post turned out to be fake. Don't follow social media posts as your source, try to find more substantive data.

 

[Chrona]

@Nako

@Ceildric voters in the US do not have to identify themselves…? wow….

Nope, because certain individuals believe Voter ID laws are racist as they state those living in poverty couldn't afford it, those effected the most by poverty being Blacks makes it a race issue. Ironically, the belief that Blacks would somehow have a hard time obtaining state IDs is inherently racist itself, as the evidence seems to suggest they don't have any problems getting state IDs in the slightest.

 

[ColorfulSoy]

@Chrona
for real?

wow, by Owen.

 

[Chrona]

@ColorfulSoy
100%, the only argument I have ever heard concerning why Voter ID laws are bad is that minorities have a harder time obtaining IDs. I have never heard a single other argument against Voter ID laws.
A great stonetoss comic illustrates the state of American voting succinctly.

 

[BestBoy]

@Chrona True, that's very hypothetical. I did read that the contested votes must exceed the margin of victory. Which means 86,000 votes spread across 4 different states.

@Tamerlane I decided to go read about it right after asking, and what a mess. All of what you said plus some late processed mail ballots from the military for bush. Doesn't seem like it would have made a difference if they did the recount, though, since Florida was just going to use faithless electors to elect bush. In which case Gore would take it to the supreme court and they'd probably rule for bush anyway.

 

[Ivegotnolife]

Ironically, on the minorities are too poor, and/or too stupid to get a voter ID topic! 😕

 

[Richman]

Edit: Nvm

 

[Tamerlane]

Yes, through your Driver's License, Social Security Number, School ID, etc. which can all be used to identify you are who you say you are or find out who you are in government databases @Richman

 

[BestBoy]

Voter ID isn't effective as a deterrent at all. It only prevents someone from impersonating another at the poll. Which is an incredibly rare occurrence.

@Richman Yes. It's operated at the state level. All citizens also have a Social Security Number and can request a social security card that functions as an ID.

 

[Richman]

Dammit, I wasn't fast enough lol.

Yes. It's operated at the state level

State level? So do you need one for each State?

 

[BestBoy]

@Richman They work cross state, but if you move you have to request it be updated. At least in Texas. I wouldn't be surprised if Montana or Alaska had little requirements regarding ID.

edit: what I mean by operated at the state level is that they're issued and kept up to date by the state, as opposed to SSN which is federal.

 

[Nako]

@Tamerlane well maybe she skims through the posts. At least, I got a link to a Putin-Trump video as reply to my question why people associate those two xD

@Chrona just wow... O.O They can't afford having a passport or some other credible identifying document... That assumptions, even without the whole race thing, sounds extremely weird to me. I worked as a poll worker before and people wouldn't even get a ballot if they couldn't identify themselves. I also don't know anyone who doesn't have any type of ID. Even school children have a student ID card, so how could there be anyone who can't identify themselves? The only people who come to mind are illegal immigrants, but they aren't allowed to vote anyway.

 

[Ivegotnolife]

@nako That's why the Dems want to just scatter unregulated, and unrequested mail in ballots across the country, so anyone can just pick one up, vote without proof of id, and just drop it in the mail box, or drop box of choice! 😕

 

[comeonnow0]