The Politics Megathread

[YumoYumo]

Meh, Trump is a pussy. He basically just gave up. It seems no epic show this time

 

[wowfucktron]

@YumoYumo
Trump gave up because he knows he's in a lose-lose situation.

I don't vote but I feel bad for him. Before he was even sworn in people were already trying to impeach him, after that it was just nonstop obstruction without anyone even giving him a chance.

He was, in my opinion, the most painfully average President this country has ever had.

 

[StrawberrtPop]

You guys do realize that a violent, looting mob storming the capital building in order to stop electoral votes from being counted based on dubious at best claims of widespread fraud is terrorism right? If it was black people or Muslims or some other group you would be chomping at the bit, but there are so many gymnastics here, that I feel honored to witness them!

 

[EOTFOFYL]

@Tamerlane
You can do all that without doing what they did, the destruction may not have done much monetary wise but symbolically it goes beyond that. To be clear Ceidric pointed out the use of the word sedition, where he got that from is beyond me. Regardless, good intentions does not make a crime right.

and several hard drives, which may be in the American peoples' interest to see the same way that the Pentagon Papers were/

off topic but I hope that shit is encrypted beyond belief, lest someone has the bright idea to sell its content. If those drive gets recovered they're going to get scrubbed hard.

I don't mean to come across as so invective but this is probably the height of ingeniousness. When you have riots from people shouting "defend the police," "all cops are bastards," etc., talking about reparations and how they're being unjustly kept in poverty by the system, and spearheaded by openly Marxist groups (As Patrisse Cullors, herself, said) whose goals it is to redistribute and accord more material, it only makes sense that looting is the natural end result of that chaos, as people both see the ideology and use it to justify their deeds.

To say that one didn't directly cause the other, or disconnect them, is not only blatantly faulty, but outright dishonest.

Cullor's Marxist belief does not inherently make BLM a Marxist movement or anything else for that matter. Unless you can show that BLM actively advocated such action the anger is misplaced.

Did they have their voices heard on the media platforms that censored them?

Did they have their voices heard by the media who disregarded what they had to say out right?

Did they have their voices heard in the courts who dismissed their cases through procedural grounds and not on the merits of the case

Anyone can write on social media, it doesn't make your writing any more credible than something I scribble on a sheet of toilet paper.

Wow, media outlets ignoring uncredible information, shocking.

If you can't even get your court case straight how the hell is anyone going to take you seriously? And if they do have a genuine case I'm still waiting for it to be fixed... any minute now...

 

[Halo]

Donald condemns his "very special" followers and calls them "intruders":
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347334804052844550

SAD!

 

[YumoYumo]

If it was black people or Muslims or some other group

@StrawberrtPop if it were them local administration would be promoting to donate to help their cause.
BLM, retarded muslim fanatics or rednecks storming a capital is just varieties of shit. Some people just lean to the side they like more. But the side remain shit nonetheless.

@wowfucktron he could at least try to the bitter end and bring us some lulz. Trump-cucks went into denial and started to make conspiracy theories of Trump being dead and his video on SJWitter about admitting defeat is a fake.

 

[EOTFOFYL]

@StrawberrtPop
Holy fucking shit this, what I've been trying to say but with less words and more coherence.

 

[Mr_Detective]

@EOTFOFYL

What is this lie then, explain.

Regardless of what mainstream liberal media, the reddit and twitter experts moan about this, the fact is that the number of unarmed black people getting shot by the police has not surpassed 40 within the last 5 years. The narrative being pushed that black people, unarmed, are constantly getting shot by the police because it makes their penis hard, even for black officers, is not a reality. Repeat the same lie many times and some poor sod will believe it and spread it like corona. See the database for yourself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5

In 2019, the number of unarmed black people shot: 11. "Hands up, don't shoot" doesn't sound bad until you realize that, too, stem from unproven myth.

We all know who is the target of racism, it's not a secret; you hear it ad nauseam because nothing changes. Being against illegal immigration does not make one racist, but the policies and ideas you support can.

Anyone can be target of racism. Before anyone says it, I have been racially targeted by plenty of black and Hispanic kids when I was still in school so don't even try to give me the "only whites can be racist" bullshit. However, I need to clarify that these days I see more racial attacks on white people being acceptable than anything else. Seems like everyday there must be at least one article on Yahoo about white privilege. Yeah, for a white guy who was born in an average family and struggles with his own life issues, being accused of having white privilege and blamed for all sorts of things outside his control is surely not gonna make him a D-voter.

If you keep calling people something-ism all the time, eventually your voice loses value. The story of the boy crying wolf should remind you why. At this point, if someone calls me something-ism, I just shrug, laugh, and move on.

I know this is going to come next: Asians are in cahoots with white people to oppress everyone else. Seen some articles like this since last year and I know it'll just get worse. If you can't compete and need the government to step in with affirmative action and race quota, it still doesn't change the fact that you are less competent.

You seem to be upset about the looting that occurred during BLM for which the two are not directly connected in any shape or form other than the fact that they occurred at the same time unless you can show otherwise; obviously criminals would would choose to strike at the most opportune time.

Content people don't riot.

Is that what you think? OK. You should have problem with those criminals, who are not connected to BLM, getting blasted by gun owners, yes?

And the Stop the Steal people have had their voices heard, they're angry because they're not getting the results they want. The only difference is instead of burning random houses they decided that city hall is a better target and they decided to pick the time when the mayor would be inside.

That sounds awfully familiar to what a certain group of people have done when they didn't get what they want. Hey, random houses have people inside, too, you know? Those small businesses are owned by someone. Their goods are purchased by someone's money. You know? No hard feelings when criminals who loot them get shot, yeah?

You can believe in whatever opinion you want but facts don't change.

Right. Facts don't care about your feelings, what you believe in or what bias you have. I'll look at the facts and make my own judgement. You cannot show me footage of buildings getting burned in the back and put a caption that says "mostly peaceful" and expect me to take that as "fact".

You guys do realize that a violent, looting mob storming the capital building in order to stop electoral votes from being counted based on dubious at best claims of widespread fraud is terrorism right? If it was black people or Muslims or some other group you would be chomping at the bit, but there are so many gymnastics here, that I feel honored to witness them!

Mental gymnastic is politics 101. Setting private property on fire is also terrorism. No problem with them being neutralized, I take it?

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@StrawberrtPop @EOTFOFYL

If it was black people or Muslims or some other group you would be chomping at the bit, but there are so many gymnastics here, that I feel honored to witness them!

Singling out a difference in the bulk ethnicities of perpetrators in separate lawbreaking events as an explanation for someone (with a conflicting viewpoint to your own) coming to their own conclusions when contrasting and judging the two events is a false cause at best. Discussions tend to halt in progress pretty quickly once the [insert some way people are born]-card is played as a defense.

 

[Tamerlane]

@EOTFOFYL

You can do all that without doing what they did, the destruction may not have done much monetary wise but symbolically it goes beyond that. To be clear Ceidric pointed out the use of the word sedition, where he got that from is beyond me. Regardless, good intentions does not make a crime right.

I'd say that the lack of wanton destruction and the present of civil disobedience underlies a clear double standard within society that has gone unaddressed. The left can loot, riot, harm local economies, set up autonomous zones, and declare they want to remove the underlying structures of the US all day, but if people who have demonstrably been given the short end of the stick and demonized go in to remind Congress that they are to serve the people, not themselves.

The law does not dictate what is moral. You speak of crimes, but those who broke the laws during the election such as breaking their own constitution or avoiding legal procedures by which they were never punished. This is what happens when the rule of law breaks down and one side is blatantly favored of the other consistently. If the law keeps being selectively applied, people keep being targeted for the political beliefs, and the left and right refuse to cooperate, all that will come is ruin. We've gotten to the point where one side won't even entertain the ideas of the other, and outright refuse them.

Cullor's Marxist belief does not inherently make BLM a Marxist movement or anything else for that matter. Unless you can show that BLM actively advocated such action the anger is misplaced.

This was the BLM mission statement from earlier in the year. It's all far-left rhetoric embedded in the Marxist principles of class, interpreting the various categories of people, such as race or gender, as a class. From the diction used on the page to the focus on immutable characteristics, there is no doubt in my mind that it is using the concepts within Marxism to frame and propose policies, though never specific listing ways that they can achieve those goals.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200728085211/https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

This is all besides the point, anyways, though.

Anyone can write on social media, it doesn't make your writing any more credible than something I scribble on a sheet of toilet paper.

Wow, media outlets ignoring uncredible information, shocking.

If you can't even get your court case straight how the hell is anyone going to take you seriously? And if they do have a genuine case I'm still waiting for it to be fixed... any minute now...

All of this is immaterial to the idea that the trump supporters believed they were being treated unfairly by every institution they went to, and were never given the means to properly express themselves.

You ignore that social media is an open forum, and is meant not to discriminate in terms of what views people hold or express unless they are actively committing a crime. They are uncontrolled bureaucrats who control and curtail what information is able to be exposed within society.

Also you ignore that the media NEVER considered nor evaluated the information. They were playing damage control from day one, and had their perpetual condemnation of Trump going on for 4 year, despite most of those claims having substantially less evidence then we do of voter fraud or at least criminal degrees of impropriety. You act like media outlets ignore uncredible information, yet it is demonstrable that journalists have repeatedly been reporting on dubious news stories throughout the Trump administration, and suppress actually important information like the Hunter Biden case. Do you remember Golden Shower Gate? The bullshit about Trump colluding with Russia? The flimsy testimony around the Kavanaugh hearings? No, the media are propagandists that want praise from their corporate donors to reaffirm everything they already want to believe. To reject this is to show intentional blindness, or blindness due to ideology.

Finally, you ignore that the procedural issues were intentionally stonewalled repeatedly as judges did not want to rule on the cases, even if they were brought to an appellant court. Some judges would rule on the same case that they were too early, or that they were too late to challenge a law or statute, or others would just out of hand reject the case without considering the merits. The sincere fact most cases were not ruled on the merits indicates to me that they didn't even want to attempt it.

You guys do realize that a violent, looting mob storming the capital building in order to stop electoral votes from being counted based on dubious at best claims of widespread fraud is terrorism right? If it was black people or Muslims or some other group you would be chomping at the bit, but there are so many gymnastics here, that I feel honored to witness them!

This ignores how there were definitely black people and Muslims in the crowd just by probability alone, but ignoring that, what separates this is that there is a whole lot of unaccounted for evidence that never saw the light of a court room solely for the purpose that judges wanted to throw out the cases, usually on procedural grounds. There's enough evidence on this site alone to call the entire thing into doubt.

There's also the issue is everyone wants to claim the other side is hypocritical. The right says that the left was defending protests and riots less than six months ago, but now demonize it when their opponents do it. The left paints it so the right are turning a blind eye to this protest because it's their man. It doesn't solve the issue at hand for both sides to be accusing the others of being hypocrites when they should be making sure it doesn't happen in the first place, and even then, collectively judging one side for the actions of few rather than on reoccurring and persistent behavior is odd.

Finally, I think calling this "terrorism" when very little harm was done is like calling a dog peeing in your yard vandalism. It's the use of language to deliberately paint the action in a certain way. Even then, it was an uncomfortable truth when you realize that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, and that whatever you choose to label it, it doesn't change the framing all too much, at the end of the day.

 

[EOTFOFYL]

Black Americans are killed at a much higher rate than White Americans
Although half of the people shot and killed by police are White, Black Americans are shot at a disproportionate rate. They account for less than 13 percent of the U.S. population, but are killed by police at more than twice the rate of White Americans. Hispanic Americans are also killed by police at a disproportionate rate.

Here lies the crux of the issue. Picking 2019 is meaningless as this movement dates farther back and covers so much more ground, anyone who wants to go spelunking can probably dig even further down. Political party is irelevant, this is a social issue.

Is that what you think? OK. You should have problem with those criminals, who are not connected to BLM, getting blasted by gun owners, yes?

Vigilantes are one thing, self defense is another; the Kenosha teen is a wonderful example of what not to do. If you own a gun well... more power to you? Just use it responsibly and legally.

That sounds awfully familiar to what a certain group of people have done when they didn't get what they want. Hey, random houses have people inside, too, you know? Those small businesses are owned by someone. Their goods are purchased by someone's money. You know? No hard feelings when criminals who loot them get shot, yeah?

Hardly comparable to the Capitol siege. Eric Garner started this rollercoaster ride and many empty promises later here we are. It hasn't even been one year and STS already escalated into chaos, never mind the premise behind their cause. And calm down about shooting criminals.

If you were looting during the protest you obviously don't give a shit about the movement. It's pretty easy to see who gives a damn, those who're just angry, and those that just want money.

Right. Facts don't care about your feelings, what you believe in or what bias you have. I'll look at the facts and make my own judgement. You cannot show me footage of buildings getting burned in the back and put a caption that says "mostly peaceful" and expect me to take that as "fact".

Except that wasn't me who shared the picture nor does one picture alone normally be enough to form any reasonable opinion.

 

[Chowvillain]

Retard moment

 

[comeonnow0]

I hear the v1.20.2021 balance patch is going to shake up the meta.

 

[EOTFOFYL]

@Tamerlane
When your only audience are your peers is it really surprising to have your voice fall on deaf ears? They have the means to speak, the whole fiasco woundn't have been organized without it.

Nobody forgot, we're just staring at the latest shit show. Hunter Biden is still under investigation with no new public developments, nobody really gives a shit about golden shower, Trumps collusion is confirmed and you can find an official report from the justice dept. Quite frankly I forgot about Kavanaugh and on closer inspection/realization do not give enough fucks about him in particular. As for all the onion flavored reports on Trump, he certainly isn't making it difficult.

Finally, you ignore that the procedural issues were intentionally stonewalled repeatedly as judges did not want to rule on the cases, even if they were brought to an appellant court. Some judges would rule on the same case that they were too early, or that they were too late to challenge a law or statute, or others would just out of hand reject the case without considering the merits. The sincere fact most cases were not ruled on the merits indicates to me that they didn't even want to attempt it.

I did not, I made note of it and am waiting for that 'smoking gun' to show up. If there is any substance to this then they can keep trying from whatever new angle they please.

@bigtiddyoneesan
Fair enough.

 

[aloysiusks]

the bison hat guy looks cool. like your mc dressed in a weird costume.

 

[mikerjw]

#StopTheSteal

 

[2SpiritCherokeePrincess]

They're killing the police now. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/d...olent-capitol-siege/ar-BB1cyjgT?ocid=msedgdhp

The movement rooted in white supremacy. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...of-hateful-rhetoric/ar-BB1cxmxd?ocid=msedgdhp https://www.yahoo.com/news/vintage-white-rage-why-riots-210700892.html

Washington D.C. isn't the only place that Trump's storm troopers are rioting & being racist. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/im-just-getting-cornered-30-213400280.html

The right wing media--trying to avoid responsibility for their actions--is being more dishonest than usual. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ing-of-capitol-hill/ar-BB1cxcUX?ocid=msedgdhp https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/fox-news-riots-trump-024517945.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_04

 

[Ivegotnolife]

ANTIFA brought into the riot by the state patrol to instigate a attack on the capitol in a false flag operation! 😳

And there are reports of clashes between the Trump supporters, and the individuals that attempted to set fires, deface and steal, and attack the police! But the videos are being deleted and taken down by screwtube as fast as they are posted! 😤

 

[Ceildric]

 

[Halo]

Also.

A US Capitol Police officer died on Thursday evening after being injured during riots in the Capitol building, according to a statement released Thursday night by the department.

"At approximately 9:30 p.m. this evening (January 7, 2021), United States Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick passed away due to injuries sustained while on-duty," the statement read. Officer Sicknick was injured while "physically engaging with protesters," according to the department.
"He returned to his division office and collapsed," Capitol Police said in their statement. "He was taken to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries."

npr / businessinsider / AP

Peaceful protesters. They meant no harm. It was all merely symbolic. honk honk 🤡

YIKES.