The Politics Megathread

[Mr_Detective]

Ah, yes. The rich are evil and must be taxed, unless they say something we like, then they're cool. No, they don't have to put their money where their mouth is, just lip service is enough.

Also, that old dude from Japan who got in trouble for saying that women talked too much. Uh, apparently, it wasn't even him who said that, but someone told him that. So why is he in hot water for this if it wasn't even him who said it? Not to defend him for saying something inappropriate, though. But then again, "women talk too much" is an old joke that everybody should have heard by now. Yeah, I use it once in a while, and the women I said that to never wanted to set me on fire or anything. Perhaps he made a bad joke at the wrong time, and got scolded even by his family. It's easier to just chalk it up to "old people say wacky things" and move on, but the western media can't let this die off easily. Are the gonna push him to commit sudoku, lol?

 

[wowfucktron]

@mr_detective

Ah, yes. The rich are evil and must be taxed, unless they say something we like, then they're cool. No, they don't have to put their money where their mouth is, just lip service is enough.

Most of the people saying that just want the world to cater to their every need.
The eat the rich types are just annoyed that they too aren't exorbitantly wealthy working dead end jobs or are irritated their non-STEM degree is worthless.

You want to make big boy bucks? You should've made really good choices growing up.
Didn't have access to them? C'est la vie.

If you want better jobs vote for people who aren't going to reward big business for outsourcing your job or importing your replacement.

hurr durr dey tayken muh jerbs

They are and you know it.

But the western media can't let this die off easily.

Unfortunately in the West, 51.2% of the human population is exempt from any and all criticism.

Surely as seen from precedents set by things like the curse of low expectations, this won't have any negative consequences. Nope, it sure won't.

>inb4 insert buzzwords here
Try me. Please, I beg of you, try me.

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@wowfucktron
Hey pal, don't you dare speak ill of the protected gender. All woman are queen.

^{Oh man, I hope she sees this.}

 

[wowfucktron]

@bigtiddyoneesan

Please ma’am can I get a crumb?
Jus’ a smidge of dat midge?
Might I give the ol’ muff a good buff

kek

 

[Tamerlane]

Not gonna lie, the whole situation with the stimulus check reminds me of the Chocolate Rations thing in 1984, where it was reduced from thirty grammes to twenty grammes, and yet they framed it a day later as an increase.

Now they’re doing the bullshit with the stimulus checks where it was reduced to 1,400 because of the joke that was the 600 dollar checks and now they’re saying only certain people are eligible to apply. Yet the media refuses to call them out and frames it as the a left/right issue. Say what you will about Trump but he had the decency not to allow anything to pass that wasn’t the $2,000 checks.

Keep in mind, Michael Bloomberg alone spent over 300 million in a failed primary campaign in January of last year alone. Meaning if he wanted to, he literally could have given each American 1 million dollars. (Which is a bad idea for multiple reasons (primarily inflation) but it’s still more than we’re getting with stimulus, which has more money going to foreign nations than the US’s own citizenry.)

 

[immortalartisan]

@tamerlane for all his faults I could at least respect his whole don’t bring me joke amounts for stimulus checks thing.

Also 300 million does not translate to a million to everyone bad math there. Also if he did give out a million dollars no inflation would occur as there would be no increase in the total amount of money just a movement which can’t cause inflation it’s self.

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@Tamerlane
Quick, edit your post so no one else reads the math mistake! And threaten/blackmail immortalartisan to edit it out of his post!

 

[Tamerlane]

@immortalartisan

I should point out it was about 300 million, but I don’t know the exact number, but he went on to spend $500 million in February, so it’s not like he couldn’t do it for the 330+ million people in the country + whatever extra expenses he would have to pay.


Also it would cause inflation because you’re still adding more money in circulation which decrease the value of it. Still, I think my point stands about them not giving damn about their own people and are more or less using their stimulus relief to line their own pockets and those of their friends

 

[Halo]

@Tamerlane
What are the eligibility requirements?

Keep in mind, Michael Bloomberg alone spent over 300 million in a failed primary campaign in January of last year alone. Meaning if he wanted to, he literally could have given each American 1 million dollars. (Which is a bad idea for multiple reasons (primarily inflation) but it’s still more than we’re getting with stimulus, which has more money going to foreign nations than the US’s own citizenry.)
...
I should point out it was about 300 million, but I don’t know the exact number, but he went on to spend $500 million in February, so it’s not like he couldn’t do it for the 330+ million people in the country + whatever extra expenses he would have to pay.

Are you high?🙃

Bloomberg spent $1,121,170,037.27 (over one billion) on his campaign (fec.gov)
Which would amount only to $3 (three) dollars for every American (330,070,265, as of now census.gov)

 

[wowfucktron]

@tamerlane
You realize stimulus packages cost money we don’t have, right?

They always cause inflation. Always.

The last one was in the trillions. The newest one is also in the trillions.

Except we can’t keep pissing out money to keep everyone afloat because it will hurt the people you’re dragging along, it’s the unfortunate truth.

This is money the US doesn’t have on hand. These are all short term solutions with enormous long term consequences.

That $2k we got and $1.4k we are getting is just going to devalue the dollar.

 

[Tamerlane]

From Forbes:

Individuals earning under $75,000 and heads of households under $112,500 typically qualify for the full $600 stimulus payment. Those married and filing jointly or surviving spouses earning under $150,000 usually qualify for a $1,200 payment.

As for the second thing, my brain just derped. I stand corrected, and admit I was wrong

Still, for the price of the relief bill, they could have give every American $7272.73 instead.

@wowfucktron

The issue is we are going through a recessionary period of deflation, meaning less money is in circulation and more money is being concentrated in fewer areas, meaning that the value of the currency is increasing as consumer spending decreases and people save more. Arguably the solution to this is controlled inflation to revitalize certain segments of the US economy and keep businesses afloat with short term spending so the entire economy doesn’t collapse from it.

Also it wasn’t 1.4k and 2k. It was 1.4k and $600 USD, meaning 2k in total. They’re not two different COVID relief packages is the issue.

 

[Halo]

The Senate voted to progress Biden's $1.9 trillion COVID-19 stimulus in an all-night session where VP Harris was the tiebreaker

 

[wowfucktron]

@tamerlane
I don’t qualify for/need the relief so I’m not up to date on the totals.

so the entire economy doesn’t collapse from it

It’s already in the process of collapsing.

The service sector in LA is nearly completely ruined, the food industry (LA’s in particular) is a sort of litmus test for the American economy.

The virus has pretty much put most restaurants under, catering warehouses are the only thing that haven’t completely gone under.

Fast food corporations are also struggling (in a different manner) as well, which is a really, really bad sign. (A canary in the coal mine for any economist)

Spoiler

Governor Newsom and Mayor Garcetti won’t sign/mandate any relief for the food industry unless it only goes to minority owned businesses, despite the fact that everyone has gone under.

Jesus fucking Christ, the pointless tribalism and bickering caused by identity politics is going to ruin this country and send us back to the Stone Age...

 

[readingsit]

@2SpiritCherokeePrincess
if you call BLM centrist when their leaders literally admitted that they are marxist: https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/
then im sorry but your describing yourself as the one with extreme views
@Tamerlane
inflation can only occur when money is made and is only fought when money is destroyed. moving money around, no matter how large an amount cannot cause inflation. unlike the government bloomberg actually has that money instead of printing it so no inflation. that said i agree that bloomberg is an ass
@wowfucktron
i theorize that humans have been too successful for too long so the human psyche is searching for failure. once identity politics has set us back several ages and maybe a couple billion in lives lost humanity will somberly restore itself in about 1-2 hundred years

 

[wowfucktron]

@readingsit
It’s called Peace Time Anxiety and, yes, humanity is starved for a big bad to collectively oppose so we’re now lashing out at each other domestically in order to fulfill that need.

We have no big bads left, only pointless yet omnipresent human conditions like distrust and hate. These have been with humanity since the day we first stood upright, it’s pointless to struggle excessively against our nature.

The adage “hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times” is relevant. This is how Rome and Weimar went, overindulgent spending and unchecked hedonism.

This stuff is just on overdrive in the West mainly due to us Westerner’s obsessions with nonsense like equalizing people (an endless cycle not worth tackling) and cult like worship of individuality.

Everyone wants to believe they’re oppressed in the West. No one is oppressed in the West.

You aren’t being corralled into voting booths via violent threats. (Russia)
You aren’t living in fear of being bombed by foreign countries. (The Middle East)
You aren’t living in danger of being murdered by violent political extremists. (Don’t even compare the Capitol tantrum to shit like the Taliban or ISIS)
You aren’t living in fear of you and your family being hauled off to a concentration camp where your wife will be raped by a state official and forced to bear his kid all because of your religion. (China)
You aren’t surrounded by wanton violence, rampant organized crime and extreme poverty. (Brazil)

Oh, someone made you uncomfortable with some random douchebag comment?
Cool. That’s life, toughen up and steel your nerves, it’ll do you well.
Someone wasn’t WHOLESOME100BIGCHUNGUSSUPERHECKINSTUNNINGANDBRAVEVALID?
No one is obligated to give two shits about you nor are they obligated to humor you.
Why aren’t I making enough money compared to billionaires?
Gee, I wonder why?
Why are the wealthy and powerful above the law?
Maybe, because they’re the ones who you let write the laws?

edit: eye know no hao two spehl gud.

 

[M0NST3R]

wowfucktron decided to fuckin snap today I see. Remind me to not piss them off.

 

[Halo]

@wowfucktron

Governor Newsom and Mayor Garcetti won’t sign/mandate any relief for the food industry unless it only goes to minority owned businesses, despite the fact that everyone has gone under.

Are you talking about the California Small Business Covid-19 Relief Grant?

 

[wowfucktron]

@M0NST3R
All political squabbles are just people believing in idealism and other naive and self-destructive garbage. Not to mention glossing over any and all inconveniences that could be contradictory to whatever message/movement is being aggressively hawked. (Everywhere politics is shilled)

I enjoy playing devil’s advocate with the politically hyper-entrenched but it’s brain draining because most people either tune you out due to emotional sensitivity issues or assume you’re Hitler reincarnate and become extremely combative, as if their entire life was at stake. (Real life and online platforms with the usual suspects)

But fine, I’ll chill out. Not everyone has the discipline nor self-moderation to take a step back and look at the big picture with global historical context free from tribalist bias. (I’m not completely free from this but I’m less guilty of it than anyone I’ve ever met)

 

[M0NST3R]

@wowfucktron that post wasn't meant to be negative. I was just taking the opportunity to crack a joke about when someone gets exceptionally real

 

[wowfucktron]

@halo
Enormous wall of text story from me in spoiler.

Spoiler

There was a different grant that was permanently tabled. It wasn’t really made public because it was technically a proposal from some small business lawyers I had temporarily worked for.

We even had Eric Swalwell, Ted Lieu and Mike Garcia backing us.

It was supposed to be a multi billion dollar grant fueled by an emergency bond and some temporary new taxes.

There would’ve been a huge tax hike on cigarettes, gas would’ve been taxed even more and sales taxes on junk food would’ve been implemented temporarily.

I worked on the datasets and hypothetical monetary appropriations for it, but it got canned because Newsom told us it’s too much money for non-minority businesses.

The money in the current grant is not enough, it’ll only hold small businesses afloat for a month if they can stay turn a slight profit, two if you pinch every penny to the point of cutting employee salaries.

What we proposed was going to keep everything afloat for at least four years, even with said businesses a couple hundred thousand dollars in the red. I had most of the businesses tiered in terms of monetary priority.

All of us were beyond livid and most of us sent Newsom really angry emails politely telling him he’s a disgrace to California and the US.

Garcetti is a similar nonsensical story. I did some work for LA, basically data sifting for who gets highest priority for the city’s relief grants and the creation of spreadsheets and automated accounting programs for businesses to follow/use for hierarchy of importance for payment information.
After I delivered my work all he asked was “where are the minority demographics charts?”

I politely told him that doesn’t matter as the data says everyone is suffering equally and he basically said come back when I see minority owned businesses listed on here getting the most money.

I lost that job following a heated argument with him and his team.

Aggravating is one word I’d use to describe politicians.

All they care about is trendy nonsense and ignoring facts so long as it helps their poll numbers.