Tsumi to Batsu no Spica - Ch. 8 - The Last Job (5)

[moonvenlight]

I actually read the newest update first before going back to the previous chapter. So, the author did drop some of the big hints to us. Like, when the police asked the neighbor, the neighbor did tell them that “the dad” had an argument with his neighbor who lives below them because of the noise coming from their house, and the second hint was “kids.” The usual problem usually from living in an apartment is noise comes from the top or below your house and the reason it came from usually from the kids. If you combine everything, you get all the answers.

The perpetrator is their neighbor and sensitive to noise. That perpetrator already told the father, but he did nothing and made the perpetrator anger grow into revenge.

 

[EchoGirl]

I actually read the newest update first before going back to the previous chapter. So, the author did drop some of the big hints to us. Like, when the police asked the neighbor, the neighbor did tell them that “the dad” had an argument with his neighbor who lives below them because of the noise coming from their house, and the second hint was “kids.” The usual problem usually from living in an apartment is noise comes from the top or below your house and the reason it came from usually from the kids. If you combine everything, you get all the answers.

The perpetrator is their neighbor and sensitive to noise. That perpetrator already told the father, but he did nothing and made the perpetrator anger grow into revenge.

Yeah i think that was a misdirect to make you suspect the husband more b/c the neighbor that told the cop about it said he "snapped" at the neighbor despite being "usually mild mannered" considering (as far as we know) the neighbor hasn't been a nuisance and bothering literally everyone else about being too 'noisy'

 

[Doomroar]

Ha! called it! it was the neighbor that complained about the noise!

That said, this shows the biggest weakness of the manga so far, that line appeared in one panel, for a couple of speech bubbles, and had 0 development, no follow up, and as thus despite me being right, this feels like bullshit

Because the only reason i stuck with it, was because everyone else would have been even more frustrating, the detective would be a repeat of the first case, the husband would have been too obvious, same for the mistress who would have been a collaborator

So that leaves the neighbor, but again, the author didn't do shit what that information till now, so making it the neighbor just because everyone else sucks, it is just as boring

 

[yurimakesmeuglycry]

A 15 year old girl successfully murdered via knifing an adult woman and her two kids in broad daylight is less believable than the MC having psychic powers.

 

[pink_rabbit]

HOLD UP THIS IS A REAL LIFE CASE THAT ITS BASED ON

 

[pink_rabbit]

I dunno, it really seems like they pulled the idol outta their ass for a twist. Like it wasn't even the neighbor the husband was sleeping with or the landlady, it was someone we didn't even know was a part of the story. Maybe they coulda stuck paparazzi outside the building in earlier chapters to show theirs someone famous living there or have some stalker do it to please their oshi instead.

Actually it's based on a real life case!!

 

[rakka90]

Wait, who kid ?
i feel like you think the killer is the child of the father when you said "inexcusable". If that true, no. she was just neighbor, and go there to complain about that family because they are too noisy

I meant the killing of the mom and kids is inexcusable

 

[Cool.Ice]

The lesson of the chapter is that perfect pitch fellas are a menace

Damn… imma go murder sometime I guess… I mean I used to write crime story as an hobby…

William James Moriarty red eyes staring gif

 

[zeroto7dan]

I always hate how some kid can just kill adults for some edgy reason and succeeded. Like.... They can fight back too you know?

Also this idol one is such an asspull. Really? Because it's too loud? Subverting expectation much?

have you never heard of the case in the US where a Chemist(?) college student slowly poisoning a family because of noise complain? now you know, go search it up.

 

[fflogschampion]

I'll just adjust expectations from now on, the manga is still alright.

What I want to know is if we're supposed to just assume it was entirely coincidence that Spica started going lengths to get into a handshake event and learned about the whole thing there somehow? If it wasn't then I would like to know how she even came to suspect the idol of doing it in the first place. Either way, this case was rather underwhelming.

 

[Riorio56]

I don't know if there another chapter for this arc or not because i think both the arc and conclusion really weak. Through whole arc there no really apparent hint of the culprit have sensitive hearing except one word and by that sense suddenly being revealed in the end make really weak closed room murder conclusion but maybe i just sore loser i can't guess the murder this once.

Now i wonder how the old detective feels will it got another chapter or just move on another story

 

[darkaura]

Can sleeping pills keep you unconscious during a fire?

 

[Daizeemi]

Ok that was very rushed if I would say, though the Child killer poetically dies in a fire while still conscious (I hope) which is really good

 

[Brumathan]

Our MCs methods don’t really seem sustainable seeing as she doesn’t bother wearing gloves or whatnot to hid her presence at the scenes of these various deaths. As cool as it can be to see a vigilante get justice where law enforcement fails, she’s still murdering the victims and could easily be tried herself.

 

[Gilthwixt]

I don't like how this story resolves the mysteries.

Part of the fun of a whodunnit is that the audience gets to participate and try to guess the culprit before the author reveals it. One of the most entertaining things about detective/mystery stories is when you get to figure it out beforehand because the author did a good job at presenting the information.

This is a bad example of that kind of story. The culprit's identity was pretty much an asspull, there was no way for the reader to know all the stuff mentioned in this chapter before the MC revealed it.

And yeah, you could tell me "this isn't that kind of story, it's about a physic MC solving impossible cases so you won't be able to figure it out" but it's certainly written and presented like one. What's even the point of trying to give us hints if the answer is going to be "this rando did it"?

It's already been discussed in previous chapters but the sooner you get over the expectation that this whodunnit will play fair, the easier it is to enjoy. Not every mystery plays by the same rules.

 

[bondejeger]

It's already been discussed in previous chapters but the sooner you get over the expectation that this whodunnit will play fair, the easier it is to enjoy. Not every mystery plays by the same rules.

It already breaks the rules from the start by the MC having supernatural powers. That's not allowed per tradional mystery storytelling. Still I wouldn't say that this breaks the rules as much as stuff like Sherlock Holmes, which is written more for entertainment than as a mystery.

Can sleeping pills keep you unconscious during a fire?

Yeah, they basically function the same way as benzodiazepines like roofies. Combined with alcohol it's more dangerous. Iirc it was stuff like that that killed Heath Ledger for instance. People underestimate how dangerous they can be.

 

[tensor10]

I don't like how this story resolves the mysteries.

Part of the fun of a whodunnit is that the audience gets to participate and try to guess the culprit before the author reveals it. One of the most entertaining things about detective/mystery stories is when you get to figure it out beforehand because the author did a good job at presenting the information.

This is a bad example of that kind of story. The culprit's identity was pretty much an asspull, there was no way for the reader to know all the stuff mentioned in this chapter before the MC revealed it.

And yeah, you could tell me "this isn't that kind of story, it's about a physic MC solving impossible cases so you won't be able to figure it out" but it's certainly written and presented like one. What's even the point of trying to give us hints if the answer is going to be "this rando did it"?

I completely agree. I think the case of the teacher was a bit better in that regard because there were already clues showing that he was an unreliable narrator.


However, in this case, there is absolutely no way one could have both a) determined the neighbor was the killer and b) connect that the idol and the neighbor were the same. It doesn't even have to be an insane amount of detail, just a sprinkle of foreshadowing so the reader can come to conclusions.

 

[cromat]

Wait she hates noise and became an idol where concerts are incredibly loud ?

Even in universe it doesn't make sense lol

 

[Gilthwixt]

It already breaks the rules from the start by the MC having supernatural powers. That's not allowed per tradional mystery storytelling. Still I wouldn't say that this breaks the rules as much as stuff like Sherlock Holmes, which is written more for entertainment than as a mystery.

Yeah, they basically function the same way as benzodiazepines like roofies. Combined with alcohol it's more dangerous. Iirc it was stuff like that that killed Heath Ledger for instance. People underestimate how dangerous they can be.

Based on the original rules yeah. Some modern writers have pulled off fairplay whodunnits involving supernatural powers so long as the other rules are followed and it doesn't immediately allow the character to bullshit their way to an answer without doing/showing some groundwork first, and up until a couple chapters ago I was still holding out hope that's what this series would be. You can totally do supernatural whodunnits well and it would have been fun to see, but I guess the title should've given away that Spica is more of a Deus Ex Machina style agent of justice.

Wait she hates noise and became an idol where concerts are incredibly loud ?

Even in universe it doesn't make sense lol

Less "I hate all loud environments" and "I can't concentrate on writing my music at home because I can hear the footsteps through my headphones". Not justifying it but it's at least a little consistent.

 

[Nivek]

I don't like how this story resolves the mysteries.

Part of the fun of a whodunnit is that the audience gets to participate and try to guess the culprit before the author reveals it. One of the most entertaining things about detective/mystery stories is when you get to figure it out beforehand because the author did a good job at presenting the information.

This is a bad example of that kind of story. The culprit's identity was pretty much an asspull, there was no way for the reader to know all the stuff mentioned in this chapter before the MC revealed it.

And yeah, you could tell me "this isn't that kind of story, it's about a physic MC solving impossible cases so you won't be able to figure it out" but it's certainly written and presented like one. What's even the point of trying to give us hints if the answer is going to be "this rando did it"?

Yeah seems this is more the supernatural drama than mysteries, not bad, but they sold this as a mystery manga(the first arc, plot twist aside, did make sense when joining the points), the idol was a stretch, seems more was built for the surprise the father was not the murder