Urasekai Picnic - Vol. 4 Ch. 24 - The Operation to Rescue the US Forces at Kisaragi Station I

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@Helgi_Ingrem @Madcat6204 The soldiers are from a special black ops unit. Toriko figured this out by looking at their designation and unit markings and concluded that they aren't part of the regular US Forces Japan. Go reread the chapter. They and whoever sent them there knew about the Otherside already, so there won't be any explaining needed for the soldiers and their losses if they manage to come back.

@GrayBypasser The manga doesn't explain this very well and there are stuff lost in translation. If a signal is corrupted there would be distortion, static and the stuff. You may even get missing words and garbled ones. What the transmission was instead was "nonsense". That is, the words came out complete and fairly clear, but they don't make sense. It's kind of like listening to a rambling schizophrenic. The nature of the transmission made it clear to the listeners that it wasn't a signal problem.

Also, they weren't charging in blindly until the latest arc. Toriko was mapping out the entrances to the Otherworld and also trying to map out the Otherworld itself. This isn't too clear because we're seeing the events from the viewpoint of Sorawo, who wasn't in on the approach Kozakura and Toriko were taking. From her point of view they were just randomly exploring the Otherworld, but Toriko actually had very systematic knowledge of the Otherworld from her prior exploration with Satsuki. Kozakura wasn't ignoring other possibilities. She had already ruled them out because the research had been going on much longer than Sorawo (and we as the readers) understand. What seem to us like possibilities Kozakura had ignored are NEW findings that the original trio had no way of gaining access to because they lacked Sorawo's eye. We're finding out new things together with the current trio because Sorawo's eye is a mcguffin that allows these things to be seen.

Additionally, Sorawo is filling in blanks in their experience because, unlike them, she isn't a researcher preoccupied with gathering data. She's literally just trying to survive. This attitude makes her more attuned to the more menacing aspects of the encounters that Toriko had already become immunized to. Sorawo has a persecution complex that the other two girls don't share. She actually believes the world is out to get her. This is a bad outlook when you're a researcher and both Toriko and Kozakura realize this. They are acting properly as scientists by following the mediocrity principle that all scientists follow. The problem is that the Otherside IS literally a world that's actually out to get you, and that's why Sorawo with her persecution complex manages to catch this fact that the more objective girls can't. Her paranoia is actually spot on in this special case.

Finally, Kozakura is also correct in that Sorawo's action in attacking the Satsuki impersonator is a reflection of her lack of empathy. While she is proven to be correct, the problem Kozakura has isn't about her aggressiveness but about her not caring if she's wrong.
 
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@sssr But didn't those soldiers say that they were transported to the Otherworld during their military training in the mountains? They may have lied, but they weren't looking as the people ready for the otherside( just my opinion, everything may very well be opposite).
About that signal, i meant that there was no reason to jump to conclusions. Why didn't they thought that voice was simply changed? It may not be impossible in the otherworld for all we know. But they thought it was them who were speaking nonsense, not that they were speaking normally, but it was changed by whatever it can be. They may be right, but they still lack reasoning for it to be certain.
About systematic approach, well, it wasn't clearly shown in manga. But from my point of view(i am a cautious person), the way they explore it is akin to rushing blindly. Mapping is one thing, but they are indeed way too relaxed, even when entering the suspicious areas.They didn't even use a tactic of one person watching others from afar, while the other explores something dangerous, so that one will definitely be left unaffected by whatever danger scout meets and be able to help after assessing the situation. It would make some things like sudden meeting with Arato and encounter with Hachishaku-sama easier. It is actually common sense to maximize survival. By the way, i wonder why didn't they share a map with Sorawo.
About Kozakura's research, maybe we were not shown a full scale of her research, so i find it lacking. To start with, her version about it being connected to fear is something, any normal person can come up with, after encountering some of the phenomena from existing scary stories(they can just google it). Practically every point she spoke of is fairly easy to come up with. It doesn't sound as if she was researching the otherworld for so long. And it also doesn't look like she had a lot of information, before meeting with Sorawo.
About Sorawo's paranoia and other psychological problems. Sorawo's paranoia seems half-assed, even for a simple overcaution. I and many other people are more wary, when walking on streets at night, then she is during otherworld expeditions. Out of all characters, she really is the most cautious, but still not enough for their situation. But, yeah, she has visible issues with people. She is distrustful, mean and doesn't consider others as much, but that's it. Even if she has persecution complex, she doesn't really act on it. Considering other girls, it is simple logic to be wary of the otherworld as much as they can, it sometimes feels as if they lack basic instincts.
Sorawo's attacking monster-Satsuki is a very trivial matter. Although she may shoot so fast beacuse she lacks empathy, it is an obvious course of action to shoot threateningly-flying person in threateningly-dangerous place. There was simply no point in thinking about being wrong or right, that's the matter of life or death. Even normal person would most likely shoot (it was attacking), because that's an obvious danger. I would say, her actions weren't a clear indication of lack of empathy(her other actions were).
 
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That Toriko and especially Sorawo would let Kozakura go home alone is appallingly indifferent to the dangers this story's reality operates on.
She even says she's scared (rightfully so that members of the Otherside can come over seemingly whenever to harass or do worse on this side) and fear itself is a mechanism for communication here.

If she really felt that scared, Kozakura she should accepted at least Toriko's offer to stay with her for protection. The incongruence in these characters' professed emotions vs. their actions and responses to all of the things that have happened so far is more unrealistic than any of the phenomena shown. Just have several life-or-death experiences beyond your understanding that can reoccur at any time for no reason? Sounds like a good opportunity to have a party instead of trying to stockpile food, weapons, more information, etc. Also again this "organization" Satsuki belonged to is dropped from the conversation like a pair of cement shoes.
 
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I think it was a good decision turning Kozakura into a plant. In the situation where she follows Sorawo, she would undoubtedly be drawn to the Satsuki that Toriko saw. In such a scenario, I don't see all three of them getting out of that unscathed, or even alive.

Surely for someone like Kozakura, who has no experience with the Otherworld, being subject to such a frightening experience would seem like a horribly unreasonable situation to be put in by Sorawo. But here she is, spouting nonsense without any idea of what actually happened whatsoever. For the reader, it's easy enough to see what actually went down. Still, I'm surprised that Kozakura either hasn't gotten all the pieces together (maybe resulting from faulty/lack of info from Toriko and Sorawo), or that she does know what happened, but is so emotionally charged that she can't even think straight.

It's no secret that Sorawo's got her own problems, but it's a completely different thing to paint her as some crazed vigilante with no regard for human life in the situation that transpired.
 
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hella disappointed with how they wrapped up their return trip from the otherside, even if it was uneventful, the way they just tossed in a time skip really brought me back from the edge of my seat
 
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I still don't get it.
Is she still claiming that the entire village was being warped by her perception of it, and that in choosing to perceive the loli as an inanimate object, that somehow made her objectively safe?

I'm not sure I buy it. The outcome was unpleasant either way, even if it wasn't fatal.


Anyway, I really wish Sorawo could get her symmetry back one way or another. Either by reverting the change or by changing her other eye too. She would be a total cutie without that heterochromia.
 
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For Kozakura's research, I think it's very amazing that she figured out it's connected to fear, a normal scientist researching natural phenomena would never conclude that a Tornado or a Volcano is connected to fear, and the Otherside is not something you can just Google either.

For Sorawo's psychological problems, there is no such thing as half assed psychological problems, that is just the extent of Sorawo had that problem, and I think that Sorawo was not really trying to be cautious to the fullest extent, since the most cautious approach is to just not go in, but Sorawo actively wants to meet with dangerous things on the Otherside.
 
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why didnt she stay with the loli what the fuck
like whats the big deal just crash at her place for today there were actual monsters smashing in her door and abducting her into another dimension today holy shit
 
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Sorawo genuinely did the right thing
If she hadnt shifted reality both would likely have died to whatever lurked in the shadows
And base reality being anchored to sorawo made if very unlikely that anything could happen to kosakura because she was a literal plant
Everything she experienced was literally just halucinations, she was a plant which is why her feet were "rooted to the ground"

She cant ignore the whole plant thing and accuse sorawo of ignoring the posibility of the demon spiral being the real satsuki in the same breath
Shes being incredibly unreasonable
 

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