Welcome Back, Alice - Vol. 7 Ch. 40.5 - Afterword

[MangaField]

A thing that leads to suicide

Transgender people are signifcantly happier after transitioning. The high suicide rate comes from the bullying and hate they have to endure by people like you.

 

[ariel_haymarket]

Many many many trans people have stated this and experienced them starting their transition as being a crucial first step to working out things like alcoholism / depression / etc. Not to say 100% of people coming out the otherside fix all their shit, theres still plenty of heavy social consequence because of societal institutional transphobia/misogyny that can negatively impact us. But at least for me personally none of my shit could ever start to even begin to shift without taking that first step. Especially the relationship between my sexuality and my sense of self worth. Like i went from gay incel-lite dude to fucking turbo dyke. Rather than a band aid most people recognize it as a crucial step. How was I gonna tackle my depression when 50% of it was contingent on like, the other 50% that was about the fact that i had to be someone im not??

Thing is - yeah. I started taking HRT and a chunk of my mental health and self-worth issues went poof. Maybe 20% of it, but it still had a major impact.

My entire thing about these afterwords is that Oshimi doesn't feel comfortable taking that step and that's his choice, as informed by his upbringing (which is why I brought up my father - I'm still leaning towards my old man being non-cis). Oshimi has to come to the table for any options laid out and all we can do in the meantime is posture. It is glaringly obvious that he's not-cis, though, and he will at some point need to figure out what is going on and what he wants to do about it here and now.

 

[romie68]

Why did he not even once mention “transgender“? Thats‘s clearly what he is. Why is he saying all that pseudo-profound bullshit instead of actually naming the core issue?

What is going on here?? Surely he must be aware of transgender people, even if it‘s Japan we are talking about. Just transition and live as a woman. It‘s not that deep or complicated. And if his surroundings don‘t accept it, create a new one.

Mutilating his wiener is not gonna solve his problems

 

[arg0nianp0tat0]

This could be mental illness caused by porn addiction.
Not saying all trans are like this, but it seems to be the case with this guy.

I will say that the whole "egg" talk in this thread is extremely creepy.
He has a wife and children. He absolutely should not "transition".
I know you people don't care since you view everything through the lens of extreme individualism and hedonism, but no. Just no.

 

[ariel_haymarket]

This could be mental illness caused by porn addiction.
Not saying all trans are like this, but it seems to be the case with this guy.

I will say that the whole "egg" talk in this thread is extremely creepy.
He has a wife and children. He absolutely should not "transition".
I know you people don't care since you view everything through the lens of extreme individualism and hedonism, but no. Just no.

Only folks needing to bring up a "porn addiction" are folks looking for excuses.

 

[arg0nianp0tat0]

Only folks needing to bring up a "porn addiction" are folks looking for excuses.

He literally states he's been afflicted by porn addiction since he was a kid.

inb4 porn addiction isn't real and actually exposing little kids to pornography is perfectly healthy and sane

 

[Hicleric]

He literally states he's been afflicted by porn addiction since he was a kid.

inb4 porn addiction isn't real and actually exposing little kids to pornography is perfectly healthy and sane

There's a huge difference between "cause" and "symptom" ya know. It's like blaming your runny nose on the fever instead of the bugs trying to eat you from the inside out

Your second comment is such a virtue-signaling strawman it isn't even worth a response

 

[vvboondoggirl]

Transgender people are signifcantly happier after transitioning. The high suicide rate comes from the bullying and hate they have to endure by people like you.

Or lack of employment and housing protections (or the means to litigate those that violate them.) Or cult abuse from christians, abuse from hate crimes esp hate-motivated sexual assault, abuse from conversion therapy, etc. Lots of institutional reasons life is made inhospitable to trans people and yet we still manage to overwhelmingly fucking survive (the stats that get thrown around are mostly those that attempt) yalls soft genocide. Though for trans poc it is explicit genocide.

 

[AverageDudeWithAveragePenis]

If you accept that trans women are women,

This is where you ultimately fumble the ball on this argument or whatever you're trying to say here.

The two entities are not fundamentally the same but you try to talk as if they are.

AGP is a thing, getting off to being perceived as a woman is a thing.

Some femboys and crossdressing men I know have this and they have told how tempting it was to just live as a woman due to their paraphilia but have enough self restraint to not get others involved in it.

It's something you gotta work through and unfortunately people go all in on this fetish and adapt the trans identity.

 

[vvboondoggirl]

Also its really funny bc like. You very very likely watched pornographic anime as a teen and yet you have some sort of high horse. Like u understand big shounen mags run pornographic material yeah? Its steeped in the subculture, for better or for worse (theres nuance and context) though mostly the latter because of whats dominant i.e. sexism, homophobia, etc. rather than just like "teenagers will have libido and will seek it out, how do we not fuck em up". Again. Education issue.

 

[ariel_haymarket]

There's a huge difference between "cause" and "symptom" ya know. It's like blaming your runny nose on the fever instead of the bugs trying to eat you from the inside out

Your second comment is such a virtue-signaling strawman it isn't even worth a response

In fairness, I misspoke, but the intent was that - yeah, maybe Oshimi got too into pornographic content. Felt like an addiction to him. That doesn't really change the fact that he's put out so many works about the messiness of gender and identity that it's not a stretch to wager that he's having a lot more of those internal struggles than he's letting on. That's for him to resolve, not for me to force. All that so many of us are saying (self included) is that the conclusion Oshimi appears to reach with works like Inside Mari and Welcome Back Alice isn't a very cisgender one. I'm just adding in that age, cultural context, and exposure to the vocabulary have an impact on what we do with those struggles.

 

[smolbaka]

Author talks about having an addiction to porn, imagines fuckin a girl version of himself, gender roles, failing as a male... And all the negative stuff terfs associate with trans woman.

Yeah anyone saying he should transition is just telling on themselves. Maybe the terfs were right.

Also I should probably drop this here

 

[ariel_haymarket]

Source on that page? Which volume? Which manga?

 

[AverageDudeWithAveragePenis]

Author talks about having an addiction to porn, imagines fuckin a girl version of himself, gender roles, failing as a male... And all the negative stuff terfs associate with trans woman.

Yeah anyone saying he should transition is just telling on themselves. Maybe the terfs were right.

Also I should probably drop this here

Every. single. time.

If they willing to jump to the trans conclusion on this imagine just how inflated the trans population could be. I thought trans people were genuine dysphorics who hate their private bits not jerking off to the thought of being the opposite....

 

[NextUniverse]

I feel to be on a similar level of "what the fuck is my sexuality and desires". I've felt (slightly) normal for the longest time but I guess once that hypersexuality awakens, it does something to ppl. I've never felt like a woman, but if I were to truly express myself I wouldn't be a conventional man either. I don't use all these new terms but I do like the idea of non-binary in some artistic/(pseud?) philosophical way rather than some truth of the world.

In any case, this series resonated with me way more than I thought it could and I probably will find myself in a very very strange scenario of sexual life. But I guess, it's all part of the struggle... But is it all delusions? Time will tell. I thought it was a good story and this afterword is very cool stuff.

I wish everyone the very best in life <3

 

[Vahlokdotiid]

Stay safe oshimi, hope you find peace with whatever the fuck you have going on.

 

[BraveDude8]

Please stop shitting up the thread with personal attacks. I've deleted two entire pages and temporarily banned everyone involved, don't kick it off again.

 

[ariel_haymarket]

Past discussions aside ...

I wonder what Oshimi will come up with next to top this. Finishing this and Blood on the Tracks probably gave a good opportunity for a brain break.

 

[saturna13]

He’s just like me frfr

All jokes aside, the idea of not knowing where to go next after quitting being a man really resonates with me. It’s somewhat comforting that someone 20 years older than me still can’t figure it out either lol.

 

[Nikitalita]

Past discussions aside ...

I wonder what Oshimi will come up with next to top this. Finishing this and Blood on the Tracks probably gave a good opportunity for a brain break.

Shit, his next work is going to be like Silence of the Lambs at this rate