Yondome wa Iya na Shizokusei Majutsushi

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(Unfortunately?) it's kind of a typical development in manga.
This is not really a spoiler, but something anyone could notice if they are not biased from the start, but think about it like this: What is Amemiya's fault?

Amemiya, Narumi and others killed the Undead for sure, but the Undead was also going on a rampage killing non-stop.

But the Undead had saved people!
You might argue, but they had no way of knowing that, only after the Undead was killed is that the other victims were noticed and rescued by them. (These rescued young boys and girls (and animals) would later be the protagonists of the 1st Origin Arc)

They tried to steal the Undead's credits!

Let's be real, if they told everyone about that, nobody would believe.
Not only that, they were not thinking of the Undead as a monster, but as a victim, you can read it in the initial chapters, they believed the "Undead" was someone who was experimented non-stop to the point he turned into an undead, and Undead are usually "enemy of the living", as in, they kill people for no reason. They had no way to know that the Undead was actually sane.

But the Undead stopped when seeing them, they should have realized he was sane.
First, it happened too fast.
2nd:
As I mentioned above, the one who found out first about his identity (besides the villain guy who connected the dots) was Oracle.

When he found out they had already killed a classmate, and finding out it was the Undead, he mentions that, at the time, he had asked Oracle about a way of accomplishing the mission without anyone getting hurt, and the response was to place Narumi on the front. They had no idea why, but Oracle was never wrong, and it did indeed work.

In short, whatever the Undead did was part of the resulted predicted by Oracle, nobody really knew why or thought too much about it. But after finding out about his true identity, he understood why it worked, and the cruelty of their actions.

Then the problem is that Amemiya stole Van's skills and his girl!
Think again, what did Amemiya do exactly? He received the skills from the god, it's not like he even knew that there was a misunderstanding.

And Narumi was not Van's "girl". This is the just a stupid plot device to get readers to think that, if you help someone, that person is now somehow owned by them.

Death Mage likes to subvert tropes, as you must have noticed already.

So really, if you really look into it, Amemiya is not a villain and did nothing himself against the protagonist, everything else was a misunderstanding and really bad timing (protag's lack of luck) from the Undead's part.

All blame is on Rodocolte.
 
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This is not really a spoiler, but something anyone could notice if they are not biased from the start, but think about it like this: What is Amemiya's fault?

Amemiya, Narumi and others killed the Undead for sure, but the Undead was also going on a rampage killing non-stop.

But the Undead had saved people!
You might argue, but they had no way of knowing that, only after the Undead was killed is that the other victims were noticed and rescued by them. (These rescued young boys and girls (and animals) would later be the protagonists of the 1st Origin Arc)

They tried to steal the Undead's credits!

Let's be real, if they told everyone about that, nobody would believe.
Not only that, they were not thinking of the Undead as a monster, but as a victim, you can read it in the initial chapters, they believed the "Undead" was someone who was experimented non-stop to the point he turned into an undead, and Undead are usually "enemy of the living", as in, they kill people for no reason. They had no way to know that the Undead was actually sane.

But the Undead stopped when seeing them, they should have realized he was sane.
First, it happened too fast.
2nd:
As I mentioned above, the one who found out first about his identity (besides the villain guy who connected the dots) was Oracle.

When he found out they had already killed a classmate, and finding out it was the Undead, he mentions that, at the time, he had asked Oracle about a way of accomplishing the mission without anyone getting hurt, and the response was to place Narumi on the front. They had no idea why, but Oracle was never wrong, and it did indeed work.

In short, whatever the Undead did was part of the resulted predicted by Oracle, nobody really knew why or thought too much about it. But after finding out about his true identity, he understood why it worked, and the cruelty of their actions.

Then the problem is that Amemiya stole Van's skills and his girl!
Think again, what did Amemiya do exactly? He received the skills from the god, it's not like he even knew that there was a misunderstanding.

And Narumi was not Van's "girl". This is the just a stupid plot device to get readers to think that, if you help someone, that person is now somehow owned by them.

Death Mage likes to subvert tropes, as you must have noticed already.

So really, if you really look into it, Amemiya is not a villain and did nothing himself against the protagonist, everything else was a misunderstanding and really bad timing (protag's lack of luck) from the Undead's part.

All blame is on Rodocolte.
Sorry, you got me totally wrong.
I don't blame Amemiya for taking Van's skills or "his" girl (you could argue that she initially got in contact with him because she thought that he's the guy who tried to save her but that's not my point). I know that they are good guys and I don't think that they intended to hurt/kill him. It was just bad luck/Rodocolte.
What I don't like is when the MCs block any discussions about the past. Even though it was an accident they killed him (with the girl he tried to save from death in the front). That has to leave some (mental) scars. But when they try to speak to him about that he just stops them. Narumi doesn't even get the chance to thank him for trying to save her.
What I'm missing it's just a short dialogue where they talk about what happened during reincarnation and at the lab. They apologize/thank him and maybe he could tell them what happened after his death. Everything revealed, their feelings and a closure.
I don't blame the bravers. What I don't like is Van's/Bander's (many other MC's) behaviour because Amemiya and the other want to talk things out but he just stops the talk leaving the readers without closure.

Edit: I just read the end of the Origin Arc. At least there is some kind of talk and it's nice that there seems to be some kind of mutual trust. But it's still a bit disappointing that they don't talk about the events in the past.
 
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What I'm missing it's just a short dialogue where they talk about what happened during reincarnation and at the lab. They apologize/thank him and maybe he could tell them what happened after his death. Everything revealed, their feelings and a closure.
I don't blame the bravers. What I don't like is Van's/Bander's (many other MC's) behaviour because Amemiya and the other want to talk things out but he just stops the talk leaving the readers without closure.
There are many events in between that I would imagine would make the decision more appropriate.

1 - Van does realize that the blame is on Rod. Not on the Bravers. He does fear and is kinda traumatized by them, but for example, at this point of the manga, he doesn't know what to expect of them.
2 - Kanata is the first enemy to be defeated, and tries to tell Van that all the others will come to kill him, but Van properly ignores his bluff, and even if that were to be true, he destroyed Kanata's soul as a message. He did also sent a message that he prefers not to deal with them, so if they ever arrive, they can just stay away and he won't bother with them.

3 - Seeing what happened to Kanata, 3 new reincarnators wanted nothing to do with it, and opted to reincarnated as normal children hoping to never meet with Van. Rod did just that, although he sent them to families that would likely clash against an at the time. Ironically, 2 of these ended up JOINING Van's faction.

4 - Then 2 more were killed, and during the discussion, they refused to follow Rod, they would reincarnate as adults and try to search Van to ask for forgiveness. Rod knew that would be counter productive for him, so he offered another proposal: Become his familiar spirits and help him with work (Van was causing a lot of damage to Rod's system without even knowing about it.), this way they could also warn and prepare the reincarnators to come and would have their own privileges, although they wouldn't be able to go to Ramda.

5 - In the following arc, Van is searching for Milk to make Cream, and goes south towards the swamps, a 1 chapter "war" happens, they defeat the enemy dragon blessed by a demi-god, scaring that demi-god away, and then meet this evil god who had been sealed by the bad demi-god. Van's group (including Dalshia's soul) go down the dungeon to meet him, and the moment he is unsealed and happy to be free, his "awakening" causes Dalshia's soul to "flicker" due to his presence, at that point, Van was ready to kill him until the god apologized and asked for his forgiveness. It has been so long since he had been free that he was just happy to return, and had no intention of doing anything bad.
This event reminded Van of his past, because he too had been unable to use his body for years, and when he was finally free (when he became an undead and was able to move his body again), he too ended up in a revenge spree, which led to the Bravers killing him. He realized then and there that he had done the same thing that was done against him. Dalshia also told Van that she was fine in the end, and there was no need to go further into it. This Evil God becomes one of Van's main friends, and a source of information about events of the past.

6 - During the 1st Origin Arc, a bunch of Bravers are killed in a mass-suicide revenge plan by "8th Guidance", a "terrorist" group lead by those saved by the Undead, who wanted to kill the Bravers. They also worked with some traitors from Bravers, and this actually got them to realize the Reincarnators biggest weakness: All plans against them failed, however, the moment that the traitors joined them, the plans started to work. That is, although they don't understand the details, they found out the fortune nullification.

These members of 8th Guidance (who also include one reincarnator), after dying, have their souls "rescued" by Gods of Origin (they should have gone to Rod), as requested by Zurwan, Ramda's God of Space who had awaken some time ago, but couldn't join Vida's side because of the barrier. Rod tries to get those souls back, but the God of Space and the God of Time were able to send them to Van, using the "Lump of Flesh-chan" that Van had created in his experiments trying to fix the resurrection device and trying to recreate his mother's body.

Eventually they are able to move that body and become a new ally: Legion, they also update Van on the events of Origin and that a number of the Bravers were killed. They also found out that was actually an unnecessary thing since Van did not want to deal with them, but what's done is done. Still Van has a new ally, and learned that the Bravers were not as united as it appeared, and the big bad was none other than the vice-leader. (Of course, after dying, everyone came to know who was the mastermind, but it's not like they could go back and warn everyone.)

7 - Rod and the reincarnators (before being revived in Ramda) were able to try to kill Van from Rod's own place, at that moment, Van was able to see Rod and the souls of many of the reincarnators that had been killed, most of them scared and trying to show by their gestures that they had nothing to do with it (which was true, the attack was started by only one of them trying to get a reward like Kanata). Van was able to kill him and the attack was stopped, with the group realizing what they would have to deal with if they followed what Rod wanted.

The results from this group are: 1 is reincarnated and flees from the continent, 2 want to stop Van, but in a pacific manner, as in, convincing that he is doing wrong and stuff (because Death Attribute is evil logic), another one also wants to stay away from everyone, in fact, he wanted to kill himself and forget everything because he was traumatized.

Then there were the 7 traitors who accepted the proposal. But among these traitors, there were also a group, led by Kanako (You can see her in the first chapter), who was able to outsmart Rod, and convince two others to flee and try to join Van, because Van's Empire is the most technologically advanced. Another one of this group also fled, leaving only 3 to try to kill Van.

8 - Kanako's group was able to meet with Van and successfully join him, helping him with experiments, and updating him on the information, such as the 2 familiar spirits who were trying to convince everyone not to deal with Van, the group who wanted nothing against him and so on, they also apologized and all for what they did.

The group started to work in developing technology, and the 2 girls kinda become his sisters during Dalshia's revival as a new race, as the two were converted into it. Kanako did try calling Van onii-chan, but he felt weirded by it though.

9 - The God of Space Zurwan also invited Van to a small journey. By carrying only his soul, they went to Origin, where Van received their blessings, the reason is because they all hate Rod, and the evil guy there is planning to possibly destroy the world, so they would be blessing the reincarnators who tried to stop him, and if they died and went to Ramda, if Van were to kill them, he could get the blessing back to the gods. They also visited Earth where Van got blessings from the gods there (which allowed him to access new mythical jobs and access to a bunch of new recipes), he also got an update about his former family, although 30 years had passed already.

During their passage to Origin, Van meets many the dreams of many people who are attracted to him, one in special is a small baby, to which Van creates a new special clone and gives to her (Mei would later call him "Banda", and that would become his name), he then finds out that the girl is none other than the Amemiya's daughter that Legion had told him about. Banda cannot go beyond 50m from Mei (he is basically tied to her), so he acts as a guardian, and becomes this invisible lurker in the Amemiya's house. Also, Van knew about the traitor, so he had information that nobody in Origin knew about.

So Banda could see a lot of problems with the household, and he also was found out by 4 of the bravers with "mental sickness", helping cure them, so they became allies, and Van revealed some information to them, like that of the vice-leader being a traitor. So Van befriends a few other reincarnators and they protect Mei and do the job that he can't do.

10 - Kanako's group and Legion are supportive of Van and do help in the fights against the reincarnators, in fact, Kanako become one of Rod's worst nightmares as she also awakens as a guider and starts guiding a bunch of people. Basically, Van's guidance is strong but affects a limited amount of people, Kanako's guidance is very open, and makes it easier for Van to guide them).

11 - However, even after all this, the Amemiya's were the one couple that he never recognized as individuals. He could talk with everyone by their names, but these two were just "Meh-kun's Papa" and "Meh-kun's Mama". That's his "revenge", it's a small thing, but it shows that he did not forgot his grudge against those two. In fact, when he had to power them up to fight the enemies, for his friends he gave Super refined Transformation Devices with super high performance.

The random ones + Narumi got "mass-produced" ones that made them look like silver-colored rangers of sorts. Amemiya got a fiery version of that, with flaming motiff, a cape with his name signed, all as a form of harassment (The specs were no different)... It didn't seem to have worked on him though, as he was ok using it, and his son Hiroshi also liked it, but Narumi was initially a bit embarrassed.

So you can see that he still holds a grudge. But at the same time, they ARE Mei and Hiroshi's parents, and just like he loves his mother, he wouldn't mistreat the parents of those dear to him, even if he wants distance

So as you can see, there was no reason for revenge and no reason to do anything much against them. And the grudge is still there.
 
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There are many events in between that I would imagine would make the decision more appropriate.

1 - Van does realize that the blame is on Rod. Not on the Bravers. He does fear and is kinda traumatized by them, but for example, at this point of the manga, he doesn't know what to expect of them.
2 - Kanata is the first enemy to be defeated, and tries to tell Van that all the others will come to kill him, but Van properly ignores his bluff, and even if that were to be true, he destroyed Kanata's soul as a message. He did also sent a message that he prefers not to deal with them, so if they ever arrive, they can just stay away and he won't bother with them.

3 - Seeing what happened to Kanata, 3 new reincarnators wanted nothing to do with it, and opted to reincarnated as normal children hoping to never meet with Van. Rod did just that, although he sent them to families that would likely clash against an at the time. Ironically, 2 of these ended up JOINING Van's faction.

4 - Then 2 more were killed, and during the discussion, they refused to follow Rod, they would reincarnate as adults and try to search Van to ask for forgiveness. Rod knew that would be counter productive for him, so he offered another proposal: Become his familiar spirits and help him with work (Van was causing a lot of damage to Rod's system without even knowing about it.), this way they could also warn and prepare the reincarnators to come and would have their own privileges, although they wouldn't be able to go to Ramda.

5 - In the following arc, Van is searching for Milk to make Cream, and goes south towards the swamps, a 1 chapter "war" happens, they defeat the enemy dragon blessed by a demi-god, scaring that demi-god away, and then meet this evil god who had been sealed by the bad demi-god. Van's group (including Dalshia's soul) go down the dungeon to meet him, and the moment he is unsealed and happy to be free, his "awakening" causes Dalshia's soul to "flicker" due to his presence, at that point, Van was ready to kill him until the god apologized and asked for his forgiveness. It has been so long since he had been free that he was just happy to return, and had no intention of doing anything bad.
This event reminded Van of his past, because he too had been unable to use his body for years, and when he was finally free (when he became an undead and was able to move his body again), he too ended up in a revenge spree, which led to the Bravers killing him. He realized then and there that he had done the same thing that was done against him. Dalshia also told Van that she was fine in the end, and there was no need to go further into it. This Evil God becomes one of Van's main friends, and a source of information about events of the past.

6 - During the 1st Origin Arc, a bunch of Bravers are killed in a mass-suicide revenge plan by "8th Guidance", a "terrorist" group lead by those saved by the Undead, who wanted to kill the Bravers. They also worked with some traitors from Bravers, and this actually got them to realize the Reincarnators biggest weakness: All plans against them failed, however, the moment that the traitors joined them, the plans started to work. That is, although they don't understand the details, they found out the fortune nullification.

These members of 8th Guidance (who also include one reincarnator), after dying, have their souls "rescued" by Gods of Origin (they should have gone to Rod), as requested by Zurwan, Ramda's God of Space who had awaken some time ago, but couldn't join Vida's side because of the barrier. Rod tries to get those souls back, but the God of Space and the God of Time were able to send them to Van, using the "Lump of Flesh-chan" that Van had created in his experiments trying to fix the resurrection device and trying to recreate his mother's body.

Eventually they are able to move that body and become a new ally: Legion, they also update Van on the events of Origin and that a number of the Bravers were killed. They also found out that was actually an unnecessary thing since Van did not want to deal with them, but what's done is done. Still Van has a new ally, and learned that the Bravers were not as united as it appeared, and the big bad was none other than the vice-leader. (Of course, after dying, everyone came to know who was the mastermind, but it's not like they could go back and warn everyone.)

7 - Rod and the reincarnators (before being revived in Ramda) were able to try to kill Van from Rod's own place, at that moment, Van was able to see Rod and the souls of many of the reincarnators that had been killed, most of them scared and trying to show by their gestures that they had nothing to do with it (which was true, the attack was started by only one of them trying to get a reward like Kanata). Van was able to kill him and the attack was stopped, with the group realizing what they would have to deal with if they followed what Rod wanted.

The results from this group are: 1 is reincarnated and flees from the continent, 2 want to stop Van, but in a pacific manner, as in, convincing that he is doing wrong and stuff (because Death Attribute is evil logic), another one also wants to stay away from everyone, in fact, he wanted to kill himself and forget everything because he was traumatized.

Then there were the 7 traitors who accepted the proposal. But among these traitors, there were also a group, led by Kanako (You can see her in the first chapter), who was able to outsmart Rod, and convince two others to flee and try to join Van, because Van's Empire is the most technologically advanced. Another one of this group also fled, leaving only 3 to try to kill Van.

8 - Kanako's group was able to meet with Van and successfully join him, helping him with experiments, and updating him on the information, such as the 2 familiar spirits who were trying to convince everyone not to deal with Van, the group who wanted nothing against him and so on, they also apologized and all for what they did.

The group started to work in developing technology, and the 2 girls kinda become his sisters during Dalshia's revival as a new race, as the two were converted into it. Kanako did try calling Van onii-chan, but he felt weirded by it though.

9 - The God of Space Zurwan also invited Van to a small journey. By carrying only his soul, they went to Origin, where Van received their blessings, the reason is because they all hate Rod, and the evil guy there is planning to possibly destroy the world, so they would be blessing the reincarnators who tried to stop him, and if they died and went to Ramda, if Van were to kill them, he could get the blessing back to the gods. They also visited Earth where Van got blessings from the gods there (which allowed him to access new mythical jobs and access to a bunch of new recipes), he also got an update about his former family, although 30 years had passed already.

During their passage to Origin, Van meets many the dreams of many people who are attracted to him, one in special is a small baby, to which Van creates a new special clone and gives to her (Mei would later call him "Banda", and that would become his name), he then finds out that the girl is none other than the Amemiya's daughter that Legion had told him about. Banda cannot go beyond 50m from Mei (he is basically tied to her), so he acts as a guardian, and becomes this invisible lurker in the Amemiya's house. Also, Van knew about the traitor, so he had information that nobody in Origin knew about.

So Banda could see a lot of problems with the household, and he also was found out by 4 of the bravers with "mental sickness", helping cure them, so they became allies, and Van revealed some information to them, like that of the vice-leader being a traitor. So Van befriends a few other reincarnators and they protect Mei and do the job that he can't do.

10 - Kanako's group and Legion are supportive of Van and do help in the fights against the reincarnators, in fact, Kanako become one of Rod's worst nightmares as she also awakens as a guider and starts guiding a bunch of people. Basically, Van's guidance is strong but affects a limited amount of people, Kanako's guidance is very open, and makes it easier for Van to guide them).

11 - However, even after all this, the Amemiya's were the one couple that he never recognized as individuals. He could talk with everyone by their names, but these two were just "Meh-kun's Papa" and "Meh-kun's Mama". That's his "revenge", it's a small thing, but it shows that he did not forgot his grudge against those two. In fact, when he had to power them up to fight the enemies, for his friends he gave Super refined Transformation Devices with super high performance.

The random ones + Narumi got "mass-produced" ones that made them look like silver-colored rangers of sorts. Amemiya got a fiery version of that, with flaming motiff, a cape with his name signed, all as a form of harassment (The specs were no different)... It didn't seem to have worked on him though, as he was ok using it, and his son Hiroshi also liked it, but Narumi was initially a bit embarrassed.

So you can see that he still holds a grudge. But at the same time, they ARE Mei and Hiroshi's parents, and just like he loves his mother, he wouldn't mistreat the parents of those dear to him, even if he wants distance

So as you can see, there was no reason for revenge and no reason to do anything much against them. And the grudge is still there.
First of all, thank you for all the information, I really appreciate it.

I think we continue to talk past each other ^^

I didn't want Van to kill or harm them. What I wanted was a clarifying talk where they face what they (unintentionally) have done to him (as you mentioned he's still traumatized) during which he can get past his grudge.
But that's just my opinion/preference.
I guess it's also fine as it is ^^
 
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this manga should be granted a medal of "if u don't go to school/university, u will become stupid like the MC here".


the importance of school is truly a blessing for most humanity.
 
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Sry but ntr and shit isn't for me. Author must be fkn loser to make shota a harem with ntr. In some years If u will look back at this manga/hentai and u will think what a waste of my time it was to read this sht.
 

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