Vinland Saga - Ch. 218 - Thousand Year Voyage Part 27

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Usually he's been very shrewd, careful, and cunning. Ivar dying really made him do a 180.

I'll miss him, but a lot of this whole mess is his fault.
I don't know if it was Ivar dying so much as it was the outbreak of actual war showing Styrk's true character under pressure - and it wasn't good. His attempt to deflect when Thorfinn called out "okay you've obviously taken catastrophic casualties or else you'd be out here mopping up the Lnu while they're sick" was the most pathetic shit imaginable.
 
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Have you been speed-reading through the whole story? Thorfinn has been constantly punished for his pacifism. The story is making zero efforts to support his way of thinking. The reason the arc is called 'Thousand Year Voyage' is because Yukimura-sensei acknowledges the fact that peace does not come from a single guy deciding one day that he doesn't have enemies anymore, it comes from a collective effort over several millenia. Since when did the story itself support Thorfinn's ideals? It never has. The story has always been challenging Thorfinn at every turn.
It's people like you who lack reading comprehension that gives Vinland Saga a bad reputation.
Bad take. Thorfinn’s indecisiveness has blown up in his face repeatedly, it’s at odds with how Yukimura has been trying to portray him since his enslavement: docile but wisened. He’s coming across as incompetent and a weak leader. Thorfinn sticking to his beliefs, fine, that can work… but it makes no sense why the others would continue to go along with his planning when it’s been a struggle the entire time they’ve been in Vinland. Doubly so if you have any idea how Nords actually operated, more specifically how often they changed “leaders” because of situations just like this.
 
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Bad take. Thorfinn’s indecisiveness has blown up in his face repeatedly, it’s at odds with how Yukimura has been trying to portray him since his enslavement: docile but wisened. He’s coming across as incompetent and a weak leader. Thorfinn sticking to his beliefs, fine, that can work… but it makes no sense why the others would continue to go along with his planning when it’s been a struggle the entire time they’ve been in Vinland. Doubly so if you have any idea how Nords actually operated, more specifically how often they changed “leaders” because of situations just like this.
The Nords on the expedition haven't been going with his planning for a long time, that's why the fort was built in the first place. These guys - except the group Thorfinn spared who showed up for the rescue now - aren't hardened vikings, they're farmers and fishermen. They're not going to murder their leader just because they disagree with him. The only reason the truce is holding for now is because the defenders are exhausted and shaken from their first taste of real combat.
 
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Bad take. Thorfinn’s indecisiveness has blown up in his face repeatedly, it’s at odds with how Yukimura has been trying to portray him since his enslavement: docile but wisened. He’s coming across as incompetent and a weak leader. Thorfinn sticking to his beliefs, fine, that can work… but it makes no sense why the others would continue to go along with his planning when it’s been a struggle the entire time they’ve been in Vinland. Doubly so if you have any idea how Nords actually operated, more specifically how often they changed “leaders” because of situations just like this.
There's an argument to be made about Thorfinn being a "bad leader", mostly based on the ideals he upholds.
But since the Vinland project began, not once was he indecisive about what he wanted to do, what he was going to do or what he was planing to do.
 
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No, the lnu would be emboldened. Reread the manga please.
From an American historical perspective, they'd be emboldened to subjugation, alright! LMFAO
If by "end the war" you mean "have another ~200 years of it across the entire continent", sure, white men coming back with guns will totally end it.
What do you think happened after ~200 years of conflict? The Natives kowtowed to the settlers and were designated to their own reservations. It clearly ended the conflict, not just the way the Natives wanted it.
 
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Killed his own to kill an enemy who killed his own.
and then got owned.
Tragic.
 
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There's an argument to be made about Thorfinn being a "bad leader", mostly based on the ideals he upholds.
But since the Vinland project began, not once was he indecisive about what he wanted to do, what he was going to do or what he was planing to do.
Never obfuscated or made his priorities unclear around anyone who agreed to follow him, either.
 
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Damn, that really came out of nowhere. But I suppose I should've known this story wouldn't have ended without a bit of extra suffering :meguuusad:
 

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