Buta Koushaku ni Tensei Shitakara, Kondo wa Kimi ni Suki to Iitai - Vol. 6 Ch. 36

[ForTheJerusalem]

What you don't wanna read wheel spin for like 10 more chapters with a rushed like 2-4 chapters of progress to the finish line?

More like wheel spin for 10 more chapters and then 2-4 chapters of nothingness as author realises that he won't make it to the finish line and decides to just end it like a lot of axed manga does, with something happening like "WE ARE GOING TO SCHOOL" or "A BIG FIGHT ENDED BUT THIS IS NOT THE END" or just words "THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF THEIR JOURNEY"

 

[comeonnow0]

I know it's supposed to be cool-looking, and I know it's a common Japanese trope, but the more I see a swordsman with a still-sheathed sword doing a pose to draw it out really quickly, the more utterly stupid it looks to me. Not only is this some vaguely Medieval...European...ish setting, they also have real swords. Not sabers. Swords. That means two edges (by actual definition, a katana is a saber, not a sword). That means the iaido/iaijutsu would be bad swordsmanship. Let me just leave my sword in the scabbard for as long as possible instead of having it out. That just looks stupid if you actually know how swords work.

Anyways, all of that was a minor point. I don't actually care but just wanted to whine (at least I admit I'm whining).

What isn't a minor point was the great wind spirit. It made all of jack zero sense. The spirit doesn't care about the royal bloodline of Hugh Jack. Okay. That's fine. But the spirit needs someone to protect her...and her secrets? The secret of...her being the survivor of the royal bloodline? That you don't care about? ...Why? Why do you care? There are no other secrets ever mentioned anywhere. Not even in the future. So...why?

 

[Dwarfy2k]

I know it's supposed to be cool-looking, and I know it's a common Japanese trope, but the more I see a swordsman with a still-sheathed sword doing a pose to draw it out really quickly, the more utterly stupid it looks to me. Not only is this some vaguely Medieval...European...ish setting, they also have real swords. Not sabers. Swords. That means two edges (by actual definition, a katana is a saber, not a sword). That means the iaido/iaijutsu would be bad swordsmanship. Let me just leave my sword in the scabbard for as long as possible instead of having it out. That just looks stupid if you actually know how swords work.

Anyways, all of that was a minor point. I don't actually care but just wanted to whine (at least I admit I'm whining).

What isn't a minor point was the great wind spirit. It made all of jack zero sense. The spirit doesn't care about the royal bloodline of Hugh Jack. Okay. That's fine. But the spirit needs someone to protect her...and her secrets? The secret of...her being the survivor of the royal bloodline? That you don't care about? ...Why? Why do you care? There are no other secrets ever mentioned anywhere. Not even in the future. So...why?

Also isn't the Iai style a when your caught unawares type style for when your sword isn't drawn for a situation? And you know not a full fighting style that you actively use every fight.

 

[Coldlight]

A nice little flashback to Slow and Charlotte's first meeting. Get rekt, ugly bastard slavers and slave buyers.

Man, so this is ending in 10 chapters, huh. It's ending in 10 chapters with little progress in 36 chapters for the romance side... this is most likely yet another case of a long advertisement for the LN. Shame, and I do like some of the characters in this.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Not only is this some vaguely Medieval...European...ish setting, they also have real swords. Not sabers. Swords. That means two edges (by actual definition, a katana is a saber, not a sword). That means the iaido/iaijutsu would be bad swordsmanship. Let me just leave my sword in the scabbard for as long as possible instead of having it out. That just looks stupid if you actually know how swords work.

You can use iaido with a straight blade. It's not as efficient, but it's doable. One or two edges doesn't matter, though. But as you say, having the blade drawn beforehand is always better, unless you're aiming for the surprise. In any combat situation, you have your sword drawn unless you're using another weapon.

However, a katana is not a saber. A saber is a specific type of curved backsword, not any single-edged sword. They're similar in many aspects, but as far as I know a saber is never a two-handed sword, while a katana is (though it can be used in one hand, similar to a longsword).

The swords they use here look like some generic fantasy version of early arming swords.

On a tangent, in Japanese "katana" is often used colloquially to mean just "sword" in general, but the English meaning is that specific type of Japanese sword. In most of the world, for their time periods, most swords were just called "swords" in their local language, and the designations we use for them are almost all modern inventions.

Also isn't the Iai style a when your caught unawares type style for when your sword isn't drawn for a situation? And you know not a full fighting style that you actively use every fight.

Yeah, it is for drawing and attacking quickly. While learning it you might also learn other sword techniques, but I'm not too familiar about that, and it would depend on the school. It's also a common misconception and portrayal in Japanese media that iaido is faster than just attacking with an already drawn blade, which doesn't make sense, since you're adding a restriction.

 

[comeonnow0]

You can use iaido with a straight blade. It's not as efficient, but it's doable. One or two edges doesn't matter, though. But as you say, having the blade drawn beforehand is always better, unless you're aiming for the surprise. In any combat situation, you have your sword drawn unless you're using another weapon.

However, a katana is not a saber. A saber is a specific type of curved backsword, not any single-edged sword. They're similar in many aspects, but as far as I know a saber is never a two-handed sword, while a katana is (though it can be used in one hand, similar to a longsword).

The swords they use here look like some generic fantasy version of early arming swords.

On a tangent, in Japanese "katana" is often used colloquially to mean just "sword" in general, but the English meaning is that specific type of Japanese sword. In most of the world, for their time periods, most swords were just called "swords" in their local language, and the designations we use for them are almost all modern inventions.


Yeah, it is for drawing and attacking quickly. While learning it you might also learn other sword techniques, but I'm not too familiar about that, and it would depend on the school. It's also a common misconception and portrayal in Japanese media that iaido is faster than just attacking with an already drawn blade, which doesn't make sense, since you're adding a restriction.

Two-handed sabre/saber. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_sabre

Regarding it being doable, yeah, I was more trying to convey that it's "bad swordsmanship" as I said, or "unwise" in that it's bad for a combat situation. Like, yeah, you can definitely draw a double-edged sword out of its scabbard in a cutting/slashing motion, but it's just not good for...living...

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Regarding classifying katanas/japanese bladed weapons as swords versus sabres/sabers, I mean, I get that it's tricky. It runs into the same problem as trying to classify any non-English weapon into the English-word categories. The English word sabre/saber means something specific that doesn't neatly match up with some things.

As an aside, I forget where I read this, but at one point in history, some kind of European power (this may have included the US; I just don't remember; yes, the US counts as a European power) had derided Japanese katanas as two-handed sabres. It's not a completely accurate comparison, but it paints a picture.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Two-handed sabre/saber. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_sabre

Neat, didn't know that. And as with most swords, the name we use is modern.

Regarding it being doable, yeah, I was more trying to convey that it's "bad swordsmanship" as I said, or "unwise" in that it's bad for a combat situation. Like, yeah, you can definitely draw a double-edged sword out of its scabbard in a cutting/slashing motion, but it's just not good for...living...

Having your sword in the scabbard during combat is generally bad. But if you're ambushed or surprised, drawing a straight and/or double-edged sword with an iaido style motion is one of the better things you can do. It's the situation that makes it bad; not the sword type.

Regarding classifying katanas/japanese bladed weapons as swords versus sabres/sabers, I mean, I get that it's tricky.

Yeah, as you also mentioned, weapons have been called different things at different times. But both a sabre and a katana are types of sword regardless of how you cut it. "Sword" is the most general term for the weapon class in English.

For katanas, you also run into the problem that modern katanas aren't the same as the original katanas. Modern ones are generally shorter since they're based on old examples that have been re-sharpened many times, which loses material. They're also from a time of peace, which means people preferred weapons that were more comfortable to wear, even if they're not as optimised for battle.

 

[comeonnow0]

Neat, didn't know that. And as with most swords, the name we use is modern.


Having your sword in the scabbard during combat is generally bad. But if you're ambushed or surprised, drawing a straight and/or double-edged sword with an iaido style motion is one of the better things you can do. It's the situation that makes it bad; not the sword type.


Yeah, as you also mentioned, weapons have been called different things at different times. But both a sabre and a katana are types of sword regardless of how you cut it. "Sword" is the most general term for the weapon class in English.

For katanas, you also run into the problem that modern katanas aren't the same as the original katanas. Modern ones are generally shorter since they're based on old examples that have been re-sharpened many times, which loses material. They're also from a time of peace, which means people preferred weapons that were more comfortable to wear, even if they're not as optimised for battle.

Modern name, but classification still valid,even back when they were being used. Two-handed saber.

Regarding iado, I don't think we're disagreeing on any substantive point. Serious question. Can you recall, without looking, any manga/anime where a character with a double-edged sword is actually caught unawares and then does an iaido-type drawing/cutting? I feel like I have seen it maybe. Somewhere. But then the overwhelming examples that do come to mind are like this scene in this chapter, where it is explicitly used as a trope even though in real life, this situation, it would be stupid. They are facing charging enemies a fair distance away, and their reaction is to wait until the last moment to draw out their sword because that looks cool/whatever, even though they had a ton of time to just draw their swords beforehand. In this kind of situation, it is much less justifiable beyond appealing to the trope.

Just as a last note to the last point, it's not like Japanese doesnt/didn't already have this classification system either. Japan is familiar with the Chinese classification of weapons, which separates single-edged daos from double-edged jians.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Can you recall, without looking, any manga/anime where a character with a double-edged sword is actually caught unawares and then does an iaido-type drawing/cutting? I feel like I have seen it maybe. Somewhere. But then the overwhelming examples that do come to mind are like this scene in this chapter, where it is explicitly used as a trope even though in real life, this situation, it would be stupid.

It's pretty much always used as a faster style of attacking regardless of weapon type. I've even seen people argue it being faster in real life. As in, an iaido draw and cut from the scabbard being faster than attacking with an already drawn weapon.

There was one manga I read recently (one of the VRMMO ones, and it was a katana skill, although I don't know if the chapter was recent) where they actually mentioned the drawback that they couldn't use it consecutively because they had to sheathe the sword between uses. That at least makes sense since it was a game, because games are usually coded to not work like in reality, but it also underlines that it is kind of stupid.

 

[exxeld]

oh my god no fucking wonder everyone loved the piggy duke in the anime so much what a fucking swag backstory. Stupid ass spirit forced him to become a pig cuz of this and also just to help Charlotte feel better.

Bro sacrificed it all for Charlotte only to be tossed aside for the protag in the end I'd have fucking lost my shit if I was a fan in that universe. Good for Slow take back your protag spot and be recognized as you should have in the first place.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

oh my god no fucking wonder everyone loved the piggy duke in the anime so much what a fucking swag backstory. Stupid ass spirit forced him to become a pig cuz of this and also just to help Charlotte feel better.

Bro sacrificed it all for Charlotte only to be tossed aside for the protag in the end I'd have fucking lost my shit if I was a fan in that universe. Good for Slow take back your protag spot and be recognized as you should have in the first place.

Downside is Slow is overprotective, he doesn't let Charlotte to grow and keeps her feeling useless.

The reason why in OG story Charlotte ended up even as a third wheel in a freaking harem of a douchebag is he actually saw her being usefull. Hopefully he will eventually notice...