Elf Deck To Senjou Gurashi - Vol. 2 Ch. 6 - Soul Eater Hakkai

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Translators, please stop with the random romanji, it's super annoying to decipher.

 

[Dragou]

@humbleoverlord You realize that the MC completely understood the Orcs and saving the beastman was his try to get a information-source. The MC CANT get information from corpses and he was even cautious enough to not enter the fight personaly and let his subordinates fight. This whole situation is maybe a setback for the MC because he did not stand back and gathered "informations (aka corpses if he waits longer instead of saving beastman so that he can establish a good relationship because he saved them), but the actions of the saint (which acted completely different than they depicted her, which is my issue with that dumb action) were not something the MC could have known.

The thing with not getting positive response you are saying is totally wrong, because the MC got absolutely NO RESPONSE. All what happened and he can MAYBE learn from the other elves is that suddenly someone attacked nonsensical and that this way some idiot attacked without thinking. The only thing the MC could do better is have lookouts for such wild cards, all the other points are things just the saint needs to learn and the things she did wrong, not the MC.

 

[Rukja]

soo what actualy happens? why can the orc now kill everyone ? i dont get it

 

[TUSF]

@Rukja The ugly elf's ability makes it so others can't attack or defend. The Knight character however can kill "Dark" monsters, regardless of attack/defense, and because the Knight attacked that elf first, thinking it was an Orc, it undid the immunity the others had.

 

[1234muse]

I wonder if this is more translator screw-up.... it doesn't make sense for that ability, either something about the old elf is wrong. or something about the cards we were shown is wrong. or the author's breaking their own rules

 

[humbleoverlord]

@Dragou are the orc killing every beastman/human in the town? we don't know, the mc don't know. Maybe the orc only want to take the resource, maybe they want to enslave the beastman. We and the MC don't know.

Will the orc killing everyone if MC didn't help? Maybe. But turn out, is not. The saint is already on the way to help the town. But of course the MC didn't know, and i don't blame MC for this, right know he is just naive gamer, not a great commander or something.

Are the human attacking the elves stupid? maybe. But if part of your country attacked by outside force, then another force enter the fry without your country knowledge, it's withing their right to assume both force are the attacker.

There's another thing that MC can do, like make sure if the human sending force to the town, if they are, establishing communication with the human and offer cooperation. But the MC only know card game, and the only option in card game is fight head on.

Ultimately, the decision to enter the battle is MC decision and the result is his summon get wiped out. I believe the author do this to disillusioned the MC and make him think that this world is not a game.

 

[KarmaTheAlligator]

@humbleoverlord of course we and the MC know the orcs are trying to kill everything in town. Look at page 10 "are there any surviving beastmen around?" Also the MCs explanation that for every creature killed, the orcs get more tokens (page 8).

 

[Dragou]

@humbleoverlord it was reported to the MC that the Orcs attacked the beastman village and people get killed. What the Orcs wanted to accomplish exactly didnt matter in the slightest (neither beforehand nor now) and is basically not something MC could have found out by waiting without wasting the whole situation/chance until it is too late.
That someone came to help and just attack his units is something that was by no possible means something MC could have learned beforehand.
Waiting would have been a choice to forfeit EVERY adcantage the MC had. MC tried to safe the beastman and establish positive relations with them. There was no human army moving which could have been spotted in the first place.

Waiting would have been the correct answer if it would be POSSIBLE to know if the humans send troups. Which they didnt btw and therefore was nothing the MC could learn/know. The Saint acted completely rouge and stupid without any reason and didnt appear to be in character from what we saw.
It was clear that they fought the Orcs and you dont just attack a possible ally but rather first find out their intentions. All what it did was showing the MC that a third party can easely interfere with a battle and turn it upside down. Besides that the MC couldnt learn a single thing. Its basically just making the plot in a way that MC stays more in his forest instead of venturing outside. The MC has in this outcome absolutely NO CHANCE to learn commanding or more about the world. The MC did even send a scout and tried to use a golden opportunity to establish good contact and use it as an informationsource.

Your whole argumentation falls apart with just this last point, because he did do everything possible.

Do I say it was 100% perfect how the MC acted ... no, but the MC didnt had the leway and troops (MC doesnt have unlimited numbers of troops and most likely will never have) to keep extra lookouts or letting this chance slip away. The MC even stood rather far away with his wolf and healers to "observe it". MC could have spotted a bigger group of Humans coming to aid the beastman. By no means the MC could know or learn that just 1 is beeing send, because with so many orcs, without a strategy like the MC's, it wouldnt really be possible to challenge so many orcs with so few numbers.
Besides the point that the Saint basically killed ALL "potential" survivors there. This whole situation was just the need/goal to contain the MC for much longer in the forest.

What you say is that the MC should predict the unpredictable. This whole defeat and situation served absolutely no purpose at all.

Because of that the next 1-2 chapters completely decide if this Manga is trash or not.

 

[humbleoverlord]

@KarmaTheAlligator
"of course we and the MC know the orcs are trying to kill everything in town. Look at page 10 "are there any surviving beastmen around?" Also the MCs explanation that for every creature killed, the orcs get more tokens (page 8)."

Ah, sorry about this, it's already been few days since i read this, kinda forgot few thing.

@Dragou Like i said, i don't expect the MC know or predict the outcome. What MC do is really what I expected for someone who just arrive in other world. After i read what KarmaTheAlligator said, it's indeed perfectly reasonable for MC to immediately attack the orc. It just irk me how other bashing the saint too much when we don't really know her side of the story.

"the next 1-2 chapters completely decide if this Manga is trash or not"

It's shounen my dude, he'll end up saving the saint in the end and become friend. lol.

 

[Dragou]

@humbleoverlord even shounen with such a plot can be really good, it is just how its written. The Saint completely deserves all the bashing, because on how dumb she acted. Maybe she can redeem herself in the future, but it doesnt changes the fact that she fully deserves all of it right now.

 

[AncientWatcher]

Stupid girl!

Attacking the elves is incredibly stupid, or is she just careless!?

Fucking stupid saint.

 

[KuroeNekumi]

lol, I hope they explain how they confused orcs with elves LOL. Specially when they're different type of mana.

 

[Treyon]

WTF..... that saint is fkng stupid, now i understand why she is so useless and nobody cares what she does.

 

[N2O]

The whole thing is only 13 chapters? Did it get axed?

 

[Lock]

The paneling is so confusing lol.

 

[AlanAlanSteve]

Hol up, dude's just got a free sac outlet that gives you a fresh new orc. tha hell? my mtg nerd lizard brain is frothing at the mouth due to either the bad game design or unknown mechanics of this great value brand magic

 

[Zypex]

wut just happened? Human saint person arrives and orc does something which causes a super huge explosion to occur within the city and manages to reach the cliff where mc is standing? That a nuke or some shit?

 

[Salfaro]

Seems real silly that they make no effort to show how Virgo+ the harpy actually manage to attack the elf lord. If there was another effect that came into play that allowed them to attack him, they really should've shown that.

 

[Stalkerman]

So basically the orc leader is a glass cannon? It’s got 1 health

 

[fuyuhakai]

That's not the real definition of meta