Hajirau Kimi ga Mitainda - Ch. 65.1 - Shirasawa’s Awakening 3

[Moneymike1995]

Nice comment translator.

These comments are full of rationalizations and moralizing, but this is a fictional story and it doesn't need to conform to any real-world morality. What these comments should really say is the story didn't unfold the way they wanted. And if they did. fair enough.

When arguing, it's best to remember that the smarter you are the better able you are to rationalize what your instincts wanted in the first place.

I know what I want, I want the story to be hot and right now it's fire!

"How dare you critic what you read and share your opinion of a stories content." Whatever helps you sleep at night pal.

 

[Ningekiru]

the word 覚醒 "kakusei" means literally "waking up". But in this context, the first translator, I want to believe they used because of the actions Shirasawa takes on those chapters, like being more perverted than usual, because the word could also mean "excitement" (but it's not used like that, but more like "awake from this slumber").

So to me, "awakening" works

Thank you for the explanation.

 

[Mr.Fake]

So what? I'm not seeing your point here. This reads that it's dumb to be passionate about or criticize fictional works, which I myself find dumb. We're human beings not mindless zombies. I bet there's been at least 10 times this month alone you've contradicted this belief. Not bashing you just saying this way of thinking never made sense to me.

I'm not sure how being more conscious about what you're criticizing and being passionate about is dumb. All I'm saying is that people shouldn't confuse realistic charaters with real people and people often use real world arguments and laws on on fictional characters specifically. What about what kind of story is the creator trying to share with it's readers? What emotions is the creator trying to make me feel by making the characters interact that way? Those are a few examples of what I think about when I read mangas, and I'm literally being passionate about the fictional work as you say. My focal point is less on the characters specific actions and more on the plot I suppose. I don't think that's dumb at all.

 

[Anonymous0070]

Ask me how I can tell none of you have ever lived in Japan for any length of time.

Alcohol -
Asian people have a genetic disorder thing where they are predisposed to being lightweights. When you see someone get drunk and they turn massive red/ whole body blush in anime/ manga, that's what I'm talking about. It's the same thing for "get wet in the rain, have to go to the hospital." Actual genetic disorder.
Who knew fucking your cousins for 600 years would have repercussions? The mind boggles. ¯\(ツ)/¯

Age of Consent -
Age of Consent varies from prefecture to prefecture. There's the national AoC and prefectural AoC, and it's pretty much anyone's game as to which applies. Same as the United States. Incidentally, in the US child marriage is still a thing, and in ~20 states you could literally marry a newborn as long as you had a note from the parents and a sympathetic Justice of the Peace which is like judge, but not. Well, a JoP is like a judge, except they don't need to be a lawyer or have an education to be one.

Triggered -
Getting triggered by doodles, LOL
If you're upset over a comic book, try reading a different comic book. Fiction is fiction, and yall need to soothe your mammaries. If you wanna coom, coom. If you don't wanna, then go read DBZ or something. This is a degen manga for degens. If you ain't degen, then it's (past) time for you to move on.

Rape -
It's not rape if it's a comic book, lol.
He was pissed that he impulse-fucked the teacher.
Also her projecting Saiga onto him.
He wasn't upset at the sex except that he was upset at himself for getting involved with Ekoda.
He hasn't realized that he's getting involved with Kaho, but that's how it works with romcoms and donkan protagonists.

Other -
Five bux says he does degen shit (or fucks) all the girls before Kaho.

 

[SunSun]

Pg 12, instant loss, gg no rm

 

[TheMather1]

So what? I'm not seeing your point here. This reads that it's dumb to be passionate about or criticize fictional works, which I myself find dumb. We're human beings not mindless zombies. I bet there's been at least 10 times this month alone you've contradicted this belief. Not bashing you just saying this way of thinking never made sense to me.

Pretty sure he's saying to direct your anger at the author for producing a distasteful story, not the imaginary character for being the vector.

 

[SunSun]

No worries TL. I am just glad I'm not the only one who thinks he enjoyed it with Ekoda too. My take of him being mad isn't because he got raped, it's that he gave in to temptation and "cheated" on Honjou

I understood it as him violating the rule of directors not getting involved with actresses.

 

[Moneymike1995]

Ask me how I can tell none of you have ever lived in Japan for any length of time.

Alcohol -
Asian people have a genetic disorder thing where they are predisposed to being lightweights. When you see someone get drunk and they turn massive red/ whole body blush in anime/ manga, that's what I'm talking about. It's the same thing for "get wet in the rain, have to go to the hospital." Actual genetic disorder.
Who knew fucking your cousins for 600 years would have repercussions? The mind boggles. ¯\(ツ)/¯

Age of Consent -
Age of Consent varies from prefecture to prefecture. There's the national AoC and prefectural AoC, and it's pretty much anyone's game as to which applies. Same as the United States. Incidentally, in the US child marriage is still a thing, and in ~20 states you could literally marry a newborn as long as you had a note from the parents and a sympathetic Justice of the Peace which is like judge, but not. Well, a JoP is like a judge, except they don't need to be a lawyer or have an education to be one.

Triggered -
Getting triggered by doodles, LOL
If you're upset over a comic book, try reading a different comic book. Fiction is fiction, and yall need to soothe your mammaries. If you wanna coom, coom. If you don't wanna, then go read DBZ or something. This is a degen manga for degens. If you ain't degen, then it's (past) time for you to move on.

Rape -
It's not rape if it's a comic book, lol.
He was pissed that he impulse-fucked the teacher.
Also her projecting Saiga onto him.
He wasn't upset at the sex except that he was upset at himself for getting involved with Ekoda.
He hasn't realized that he's getting involved with Kaho, but that's how it works with romcoms and donkan protagonists.

Other -
Five bux says he does degen shit (or fucks) all the girls before Kaho.

He's upset with getting involved with Ekoda? Then why did he do it? Make sense please.

 

[Crackerjack94]

Ask me how I can tell none of you have ever lived in Japan for any length of time.

Alcohol -
Asian people have a genetic disorder thing where they are predisposed to being lightweights. When you see someone get drunk and they turn massive red/ whole body blush in anime/ manga, that's what I'm talking about. It's the same thing for "get wet in the rain, have to go to the hospital." Actual genetic disorder.
Who knew fucking your cousins for 600 years would have repercussions? The mind boggles. ¯\(ツ)/¯

Age of Consent -
Age of Consent varies from prefecture to prefecture. There's the national AoC and prefectural AoC, and it's pretty much anyone's game as to which applies. Same as the United States. Incidentally, in the US child marriage is still a thing, and in ~20 states you could literally marry a newborn as long as you had a note from the parents and a sympathetic Justice of the Peace which is like judge, but not. Well, a JoP is like a judge, except they don't need to be a lawyer or have an education to be one.

Triggered -
Getting triggered by doodles, LOL
If you're upset over a comic book, try reading a different comic book. Fiction is fiction, and yall need to soothe your mammaries. If you wanna coom, coom. If you don't wanna, then go read DBZ or something. This is a degen manga for degens. If you ain't degen, then it's (past) time for you to move on.

Rape -
It's not rape if it's a comic book, lol.
He was pissed that he impulse-fucked the teacher.
Also her projecting Saiga onto him.
He wasn't upset at the sex except that he was upset at himself for getting involved with Ekoda.
He hasn't realized that he's getting involved with Kaho, but that's how it works with romcoms and donkan protagonists.

Other -
Five bux says he does degen shit (or fucks) all the girls before Kaho.

Manga and comic books are 2 different things buddy. Also let's say he's mad because the "impulse fucked" Ekoda why would that author write/draw it the way they did? Why add in the alcohol? Why have him state that he feels numb and not fully there? Why not just have her kiss him and he goes for it? Wouldn't your theory make more sense? The whole way it was drawn compared to every other ecchi scene shows the author wasn't drawing it as just them being horny and having sex.

 

[Iskarioth]

Dude you've been told off again and again by many people yet you come back here saying the same thing. You're the one with no life

Can you at least use new fallacies instead of repeating the same one over and over again. Ad populum - tho calling a bunch of outlandish internet dwellers that is a stretch anyways. And "no, you" is really not exactly top shelf either.

 

[ninolover69]

Nice cumback. When did I say "It's a fetish manga so what if they had sex".
MC is mad because he broke the iron rule and he did it because he was too horny to stick to that principle. Fuck sake fucking read the manga. It's not Shakespeare

I think you're confusing the lack of consent with trauma. "MC didn't wake up with PTSD therefore he just regretted it". No, dude, he didn't consent. You said 'he regretted it because he broke his iron rule'. So the alcohol messed with his judgment, and that made him lose all restraint and have sex with Ekoda. Isn't that proof enough that he lacked proper judgment, and by extension, was too Inebriated to consent properly?

She got him drunk without his consent. He's an underaged kid with no alcohol tolerance. (which, if you're as much a drinker as you claim you are, you'd know that you get drunk much easier when you're young and your body isn't used to it. I know at least I got fucked up a few times because of it).

He wasn't in any state of mind to properly consent.

 

[Anonymous0070]

He's upset with getting involved with Ekoda? Then why did he do it? Make sense please.

You've never regretted doing something immediately after doing it? Not once? At all?
I have. I've gotten drunk or high and did a lot of shit I regretted when sober. Especially when it comes to buying random shit off of Amazon, lol. Why on earth did I buy 500 plastic cocktail swords?

Manga and comic books are 2 different things buddy.

Yeah. One is drawn by a japanese person in japan for japanese people who are also in japan, and the other is typically drawn by americans for an american audience in america.

Spoiler

in other words there is no difference.

why would

Why add

Why have

Why not

Uhhh... do you even read?
Like, what's your reading comprehension level?
I mean, are you on the spectrum?
I think for the average person these are all very easily answered questions that can be resolved by simply reading the manga but I get that some people cannot understand things unless they're explicitly spelled out for them.
It's not a difficult thing for most people to look at this manga and reach the necessary conclusions without being handheld, baby-stepped, and silver-spooned through the process.

 

[Crackerjack94]

Can you at least use new fallacies instead of repeating the same one over and over again. Ad populum - tho calling a bunch of outlandish internet dwellers that is a stretch anyways. And "no, you" is really not exactly top shelf either.

Ironic since you're the one that repeats themselves non stop to the care of no one

 

[Moneymike1995]

You've never regretted doing something immediately after doing it? Not once? At all?
I have. I've gotten drunk or high and did a lot of shit I regretted when sober. Especially when it comes to buying random shit off of Amazon, lol. Why on earth did I buy 500 plastic cocktail swords?

Yeah. One is drawn by a japanese person in japan for japanese people who are also in japan, and the other is typically drawn by americans for an american audience in america.

Spoiler

in other words there is no difference.

Uhhh... do you even read?
Like, what's your reading comprehension level?
I mean, are you on the spectrum?
I think for the average person these are all very easily answered questions that can be resolved by simply reading the manga but I get that some people cannot understand things unless they're explicitly spelled out for them.
It's not a difficult thing for most people to look at this manga and reach the necessary conclusions without being handheld, baby-stepped, and silver-spooned through the process.

Okay here's some points for you to understand.
1) there is a difference between manga and comic books. That's like saying there's no difference between a picture book and a comic book
2) there's a difference between real world scenarios and fiction. In the real world people can regret things and stuff. In fiction it's about how the author portrays things. In this instance the author isn't writing as someone who just regretted things. Sensei is clearly written as a bad person. The very fact that MC distanced himself from her shows it's more than just "I regret having sex with you". If it was regret the author would've shown more of a neutral stance on things. They wouldn't have painted either side as wrong. But what we got says otherwise. It very much paints her as being at fault, which means it's not just because he got horny.

 

[Crackerjack94]

You've never regretted doing something immediately after doing it? Not once? At all?
I have. I've gotten drunk or high and did a lot of shit I regretted when sober. Especially when it comes to buying random shit off of Amazon, lol. Why on earth did I buy 500 plastic cocktail swords?

Yeah. One is drawn by a japanese person in japan for japanese people who are also in japan, and the other is typically drawn by americans for an american audience in america.

Spoiler

in other words there is no difference.

Uhhh... do you even read?
Like, what's your reading comprehension level?
I mean, are you on the spectrum?
I think for the average person these are all very easily answered questions that can be resolved by simply reading the manga but I get that some people cannot understand things unless they're explicitly spelled out for them.
It's not a difficult thing for most people to look at this manga and reach the necessary conclusions without being handheld, baby-stepped, and silver-spooned through the process.

You're the one saying he's mad because of regret. That's arguably the dumbest thing anyones ever said. You believe it makes more sense that he's mad that she let him bang her willingly, than him being mad that she had sex with him while he was under the influence?

 

[Cesarean-Pizza]

Schrodinger's Rape.

 

[Jebsu]

The funny thing about this nine page discussion is that if the translator let those comments go this forum would have just been people horny posting or calling the sister a dumbfuck lol.

Reminds me of the rapeman scans days and the many many arguments that ensued.

 

[Anonymous0070]

1) there is a difference between manga and comic books.

There is no difference. You might think that there's a difference, but I assume it's because you're young. When you're older you'll realize there's no difference.

Sensei is clearly written as a bad person.

I never really thought of her as a "bad person". Opportunistic, impulsive, and misguided, but "bad"? Nah.

The very fact that MC distanced himself from her shows it's more than just "I regret having sex with you".

I read it as "aww shit, I can't believe I did that. I fucked up."

You're the one saying he's mad because of regret.

Mad? Nah. See above.

 

[Moneymike1995]

There is no difference. You might think that there's a difference, but I assume it's because you're young. When you're older you'll realize there's no difference.

I never really thought of her as a "bad person". Opportunistic, impulsive, and misguided, but "bad"? Nah.

I read it as "aww shit, I can't believe I did that. I fucked up."

Mad? Nah. See above.

There is a difference. From how the stories are structured, told, and written.

Also I never said you had to see her as bad. I said she was written by the author that way. People are free to see her as whatever they want, but in the context of the story she's not portrayed as being justified in her actions. The fact that the MC is mad at her and not himself shows that. The author show any internal hatred from the MC to what happened. He's not mad at what they did, but rather what she did. He doesn't hate himself for the actions but her for causing the actions. Again it's how the author writes the story that I'm basing this on. For example this chapter has moments where we see Shirasawa is a pervert, yet none of that was shown there. No realization that he's a pervert in a comedic way. He's just angry at her. If he believes he "fucked up" wouldn't he be kicking himself more? Wouldn't he be talking to sensei and realizing he's partially to blame? Why even use alcohol? Or frame the chapter the way they did if it wasn't to show what sensei did was wrong? There's no comedy, and hell we barely even get anything reaction or action from him once he's inside her. He's almost lifeless as if he's allowing it to happen or possibly unconscious while it's happening. The whole scene is drawn from her pov and is strangely silent. The humor is absent and the setting dark, which makes the scene come across as wrong. That's what it looked like to me.

And there's nothing wrong with her raping him in the context of the story. Is it right morally? No. But storytelling wise it can lead to some interesting developments if handled right.

 

[b-no]

someone lock this thread up.