Harapeko Oyako to Motokare Yanushi - Ch. 2

[OliveOilOilOil]

It's sort of similar to how most manga are planned for two-three volumes, and if they sell well and get popular, they're expanded. But if the content hasn't been well planned, they have a tendency to lose what made them interesting to begin with. You see this a lot of times really, manga that continues beyond their planned volumes usually lose their steam fast. It's honestly more the rule than the exception.

Many titles have horrible pacing, it feels like a drag and readers drop like flies. In Kiraboshi Ojou, Hideki must have thought there were so many pages to go on until the editor whispered that the next chapter will be last. Chiisai no body Haru is another that comes to mind.

Others just overstay their welcome, way too much. Starts stalling with unnecessary drama. Sono Bisque Doll I am looking at you right now. How does Marin’s character actually regress that much? Until the author only learns when it gets forcibly cancelled. In the Western world it’s called jumping the shark.

Novels are not immune from this, Ore ni Trauma (Glancing at me) keeps going post forgiveness whereas 4 colour goddesses know where to stop.

Though this title is already DOA from the first chapter. Yes it’s that bad. Even Hideki has better writing for the initial chapters than this one to get grab attention. Maybe because Hideki got titles cancelled before knows the value of using space and exposition properly.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

Many titles have horrible pacing, it feels like a drag and readers drop like flies. In Kiraboshi Ojou, Hideki must have thought there were so many pages to go on until the editor whispered that the next chapter will be last. Chiisai no body Haru is another that comes to mind.

Others just overstay their welcome, way too much. Starts stalling with unnecessary drama. Song Bisque Doll I am looking at you right now. Until it’s gets forcibly cancelled. In the Western world it’s called jumping the shark.

Novels are not immune from this, Ore ni Trauma (Glancing at me) keeps going post forgiveness whereas 4 colour goddesses know where to stop.

Though this title is already DOA from the first chapter. Yes it’s the bad. Even Hideki has better writing for the initial chapters than this one. Maybe because Hideki got titles cancelled before knows the value of using space and exposition properly.

Oh my god, have you seen R15+ Ja Dame? The author realizes he can't sustain the premise for his own story, so he "solves" the problem off screen, and in the process somehow manages to make MULTIPLE plot holes. He spends an extra two chapters rubbing it in our face that the problem's been solved, and that we'll never know, then puts FMC on a bus and moves on to a different girl and her problems.

We don't get a single word of the opening mystery of the story for a full two fucking years. And you know what happens when we finally hear about it again? MORE PLOT HOLES

 

[assholescans]

Many titles have horrible pacing, it feels like a drag and readers drop like flies. In Kiraboshi Ojou, Hideki might have thought there were so many pages to go on until the editor whispered that the next chapter will be last. Chiisai no body Haru is another that comes to mind.

Others just overstay their welcome, way too much. Starts stalling with unnecessary drama. Song Bisque Doll I am looking at you right now. Until it’s gets forcibly cancelled. In the Western world it’s called jumping the shark.

Novels are not immune from this, Ore ni Trauma (Glancing at me) keeps going post forgiveness whereas 4 colour goddesses know where to stop.

Though this title is already DOA from the first chapter. Yes it’s the bad. Even Hideki has better writing for the initial chapters than this one. Maybe because Hideki got titles cancelled before knows the value of using space and exposition properly.

I think you're using jumping the shark wrong, jumping the shark means that you do something so out of this world it breaks your suspension of disbelief. Jumping the shark is so ridiculous you just can't believe it. Edit: Seems like I was wrong here, I could swear that used to be the original meaning. Maybe I'm just getting old and senile.
Bisque Doll has been going on for a bit too long, and the nun arc was probably a result of that. It's probably nearing the end soon though, at least it seems like that. Though in the end it mostly depends on if it sells. I think Boy's Abyss is probably also a pretty good example of this, and probably should've skipped some of the last 50 chapters or so.
I disagree on this manga being objectively bad though. I think it's mostly too many immature, underaged guys reacting on it.

 

[OliveOilOilOil]

I think you're using jumping the shark wrong, jumping the shark means that you do something so out of this world it breaks your suspension of disbelief. Jumping the shark is so ridiculous you just can't believe it. Edit: Seems like I was wrong here, I could swear that used to be the original meaning. Maybe I'm just getting old and senile.
Bisque Doll has been going on for a bit too long, and the nun arc was probably a result of that. It's probably nearing the end soon though, at least it seems like that. Though in the end it mostly depends on if it sells. I think Boy's Abyss is probably also a pretty good example of this, and probably should've skipped some of the last 50 chapters or so.
I disagree on this manga being objectively bad though. I think it's mostly too many immature, underaged guys reacting on it.

If you can insert [Biden disbelief look] gif, that should more or less fit the definition these days. This is the reaction coming from reading the latest Sono Bisque Doll chapters.

Oh my god, have you seen R15+ Ja Dame? The author realizes he can't sustain the premise for his own story, so he "solves" the problem off screen, and in the process somehow manages to make MULTIPLE plot holes. He spends an extra two chapters rubbing it in our face that the problem's been solved, and that we'll never know, then puts FMC on a bus and moves on to a different girl and her problems.

We don't get a single word of the opening mystery of the story for a full two fucking years. And you know what happens when we finally hear about it again? MORE PLOT HOLES

I heard about that one, maybe it’s meant to be drink the same way Cafe Ristretto is. The same way Ore ni Trauma is that dumpster fire

 

[Robfaw]

Meaning the relationship they had was much deeper than acquaintance.

You said a lot. Here's the part that matters. The keyword is "was". Lets say you used to have a close relationship with someone, romantic or friendship, but you've been apart and out of contact with them for a long time. That would mean that you still know them, but you're no longer close, and you don't know them well. You could say that they are a person that you know but who is not a close friend.

Relationships change over time. There is not a point of no return. That's why both your own explanations and the definitions themselves use phrasing like "is not" instead of "was never".

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

I heard about that one, maybe it’s meant to be drink the same way Cafe Ristretto is. The same way Ore ni Trauma is that dumpster fire

You responded. Now you're morally obliged to read my full rant.

 

[GrumpyGizmo]

I recommend reading Karami Zakari even though it's finished, it has a beautiful rating of 3.63.

This is Disneyland in comparison. Please I beg of you all don't even dare to read this crap. I rather simp for this manga if I could erase my memories of this Karami Zakari bullcrap.

 

[assholescans]

This is Disneyland in comparison. Please I beg of you all don't even dare to read this crap. I rather simp for this manga if I could erase my memories of this Karami Zakari bullcrap.

 

[OliveOilOilOil]

Cannot unsee wwwwww

 

[ExLegendary]

I am older so I think I have room to say this but honestly having someone come into a home you own with spare rooms unused to breathe a bit of life into it is not the worst thing.

Sure he cooked and made the daughter a drink but with the daughters rudeness she's just a kid lashing a bit out because shes thrown into sudden homelessness and is probably stressed. I don't think there is maliciousness but I do think the mother was pretty rude to show up unannounced that said numbers and things change so she probably didn't have a way to reach him besides showing up. Also it could be that his home is the closest to her daughters school and was simply trying to see if he could help her in this time.

I think all things considered he probably enjoys being troubled a little like this. It can certainly get lonely living by yourself.

 

[ErikTheRed]

Sadly the manga and anime community is plagued with these annoying fucker.

A real shame. They're always so relentlessly self-righteous in their sexism as well.

 

[OliveOilOilOil]

I am older so I think I have room to say this but honestly having someone come into a home you own with spare rooms unused to breathe a bit of life into it is not the worst thing.

Sure he cooked and made her a drink but she's a kid lashing a bit out because shes thrown into sudden homelessness and is probably stressed. I don't think there is maliciousness but I do think the woman was pretty rude to show up unannounced that said numbers and things change. Also it could be that his home is the closest to her school and was simply trying to see if he could help her in this time.

I think all things considered he probably enjoys being troubled a little like this. It can certainly get lonely living by yourself.

I’d like to be a bit trollish. Maybe FMC is running away from her crazy wife beater ex who found and set her hideout on fire, and put everyone else FMC and ex mutually know on notice, so that FMC is no different from being a wanted fugitive

 

[ExLegendary]

I’d like to be a bit trollish. Maybe FMC is running away from her crazy wife beater ex who found and set her hideout on fire, and put everyone else FMC and ex mutually know on notice, so that FMC is no different from being a wanted fugitive

Cash, grass, or ass because she clearly can't cook and I'd look the other way lmao.

 

[GrumpyGizmo]

A real shame. They're always so relentlessly self-righteous in their sexism as well.

You guys are mad funny with all that projection. Self-righteous? Coming from the guys shaming others for an opinion you dislike, calling it sexism (honk honk), misogyny (while being awfully misanthropic most of the time, mind you) and incel (like anyfuckingbody could prove they are the otherwise in a fucking pirate manga site), etc etc.

Please spare us the hypocrisy, will ya? Like I said let's all agree to disagree and be done with it.

 

[DesertStorm]

I am older so I think I have room to say this but honestly having someone come into a home you own with spare rooms unused to breathe a bit of life into it is not the worst thing.

Sure he cooked and made the daughter a drink but with the daughters rudeness she's just a kid lashing a bit out because shes thrown into sudden homelessness and is probably stressed. I don't think there is maliciousness but I do think the mother was pretty rude to show up unannounced that said numbers and things change so she probably didn't have a way to reach him besides showing up. Also it could be that his home is the closest to her daughters school and was simply trying to see if he could help her in this time.

I think all things considered he probably enjoys being troubled a little like this. It can certainly get lonely living by yourself.

Older? Sure. Wiser? LOL No!

No offense, but do you have autism? You have an out of this world response making it seem like you haven't experience the outside world.

You guys are mad funny with all that projection. Self-righteous? Coming from the guys shaming others for an opinion you dislike, calling it sexism (honk honk), misogyny (while being awfully misanthropic most of the time, mind you) and incel (like anyfuckingbody could prove they are the otherwise in a fucking pirate manga site), etc etc.

Please spare us the hypocrisy, will ya? Like I said let's all agree to disagree and be done with it.

Mofo has been at it for hours on end. Makes me question if he has a life or career outside of being correct 🤓 in this damn forum LMFAO

Blaming sexism when I and a majority of people would heavily scrutinize the girls if they were men. It's not like homeless shelters exist...

 

[kiyoshi01]

Lol, a bunch of non-asian let alone japanese talking about outside world. Stop apply your country common sense to the whole world, especially the west is way different.

 

[mdqp]

It's an obvious lie. Women are indirect. This is exactly the kind of pointless, obviously-bullshit pretense a woman would come up with to do this. And you'd buy it because you can't imagine any reason she'd lie to you about it, so you give her the benefit of the doubt, just like you personally are here. She planned to pressure him to stay, and since she can't just say "I'm here to pressure you into letting me mooch off you", she says she's there to "check up on him"... with all her clothes... and her daughter... entirely unannounced... by trespassing his backyard.

Also she's doing the typical toxic woman thing where she does something wrong, then shows up like nothing happened without so much as an apology; as if pretending there's no problem suddenly makes it go away.

What I was trying to get at, is that A) It doesn't seem the author really wants to paint her in a bad light and B) You generally lie to cover for something, but the excuse she provides is stupid and makes no sense in the context (you can ring the doorbell, as I mentioned).

Weirdly enough, the excuse is so far-fetched, you'd think it's the truth, because she is also portrayed as a terrible air-head, and since the protagonist isn't surprised by her behaviour in general, it at least implies she has always been like this.

Also, unlike real life where all sorts of bad stuff can happen by trusting people blindly, this is a story, if the author wants her to be "good but stupid/oblivious" she can be so even to this extreme. The problem isn't "she can't be this clueless, she has to be evil", the problem is "the author made no effort to make the situation believable" from the side of the protagonist and the readers. At this point he really has no reason to want them there (other than the very vague "it felt lonely" musing), and isn't portrayed as an air-head, so he can't overlook how suspicious it all is, without some kind of an explanation.

These are very extraordinary circumstances, which would require extraordinary explanations, but we as the readers aren't shown any.

Also, I think your views on women are extreme, but even if they were 100% true IRL, that doesn't translate into being true in the narrative (where what matters are the opinions and desires of the author for those characters).

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

No offense, but do you have autism? You have an out of this world response making it seem like you haven't experience the outside world.

I take offense to that. Even an autist like me knows better.

What I was trying to get at, is that A) It doesn't seem the author really wants to paint her in a bad light and B) You generally lie to cover for something, but the excuse she provides is stupid and makes no sense in the context (you can ring the doorbell, as I mentioned).

Yes. I got that. Don't worry. I'm telling you that that regardless of what the author's intent is, he drew a disturbingly accurate depiction of a toxic narcissist. From showing up like nothing happened to pressure a doormat ex to fund her failed life, to coming up with an obvious lie as a pretense (Which we know is a lie, since she acknowledges that she'd brought her clothes before he even agreed), to the attitude, etc. If the author had gone to the SSM channel and picked out one of the horror stories, then taken out all the drama surrounding cheating, you'd be left with this exact woman.

Again: I know the author wants to paint her in a positive light. But much like in Sono Bisque Doll, Keikenzumi, or Hajimete no Gal. the author is painting a garbage woman as sympathetic and likeable.

Also, unlike real life where all sorts of bad stuff can happen by trusting people blindly, this is a story, if the author wants her to be "good but stupid/oblivious" she can be so even to this extreme. The problem isn't "she can't be this clueless, she has to be evil", the problem is "the author made no effort to make the situation believable" from the side of the protagonist and the readers. At this point he really has no reason to want them there (other than the very vague "it felt lonely" musing), and isn't portrayed as an air-head, so he can't overlook how suspicious it all is, without some kind of an explanation.

Thing is that "this extreme" is literally indistinguishable from malice. At some point, your intentions don't matter. We've crossed that point right at the start.

Also, I think your views on women are extreme, but even if they were 100% true IRL, that doesn't translate into being true in the narrative (where what matters are the opinions and desires of the author for those characters).

Yes. No shit. But until the author tells us why this particular parasite isn't maliciously evil, all we have to work with is real-world logic. Just like with every other story ever. Just because magic exists in a story doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to ignore characters teleporting around off screen before teleportation magic is introduced.

 

[DesertStorm]

I take offense to that. Even an autist like me knows better.

I respect that. Majority affected with autism are sheltered, so it's good that someone like you actually has real world experience.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

I respect that. Majority affected with autism are sheltered, so it's good that someone like you actually has real world experience.

Ain't that the truth. I just happened to be baptized by fire. If life hadn't gone tits up, I still might've been.