I Shaved. Then I Brought a High School Girl Home. - Vol. 4 Ch. 20
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It's not armchair psychology, as I pulled what I could from both the NHS and various other sites. I'm not pulling it out of my ass, though there are issues in trying to diagnose fictional characters because of a lack of ability to cross reference and to get a full psychological evaluation. (You obviously can't sit them down and talk with them, so you have to pull references from in-text)
Using the NHS for signs and symptoms,
We can examine his behavior and rationale to see if he actually fits the criteria:
"1" Is explicitly demonstrated in this chapter in how he blackmails her, and how he used the fact she was staying at his house to solicit sex from her
"2" Is shown in how he is unable to understand why his seven girlfriends left him, and why no one wants to be around him
"3" is pretty self evident in how he seeks to perform more extreme behaviors like sex and hedonism to satisfy his own
"4" is also stated outright as to why he asked Sayu to leave and why his seven girlfriends left him
"5" is the only one not explicitly shown, but is left to be made as an inference in certain circumstances
"6" is shown in his inability to understand why the first girlfriend who left him threatened to kill him and why she, and the others, left him
"7" is somewhat the case as he does blame Sayu for ruining his relationships and doesn't take responsibility for infidelity
And "8" is shown by what he did by having sex with a minor and what he is about to do.
He pretty definitively shows all of these signs except for aggressiveness or irritability, as far as we can tell by the information we have so far.
Additionally, not only does he fall into the age range that is generality diagnosed with ASPD (Late Teens-Late Forties) but he also displays the superficial charm those with Psychopathy/Sociopathy (which are characterized under Antisocial Personality Disorder) are known to show, and potentially even the intelligence as he was able to maintain significant relationships with at least seven different girls at the same time.
The NHS website shows a list of treatments that can be effective at treating Antisocial Personality Disorder, but they are by no means universal as each case is different and it varies from individual to individual.
It is not logical to assume that respecting the rights of people and acknowledging how mental illnesses like ASPD can be treated to potentially help people to reintegrate into society, even if some underlying symptoms remain, rather than acting purely out of a primal urge for revenge or sadism. Instead, respecting the rights of even the most vile of individuals, and understanding what can cause people to act in seemingly destructive ways.
It's not blind optimism, it's understanding human psychology and science and applying it to find a way to help people. I will have no blood on my hands because I'm not saying he should run free without Police oversight, rather, I'm saying he should see a court-appointed therapist so his specific case will be treated in junction to a lesser sentence as he seems to be unable to differentiate or understand right from wrong. This is not blind optimism, sunshine and rainbows, or intentionally dishonesty to the nature of people, but rather the understanding that people have rights to be treated certain ways, and that helping those suffering from a mental affliction they cannot control is more optimal than throwing people into the asylum to worsen any issues they may have.
I find it interesting that your argument earlier was based in pathos and how apparently calling this character mentally ill is demeaning towards the mentally ill, despite every case of mental illness being different and those with anti-social mental illnesses are also mentally ill, yet you know disregard the lens of empathy in order to demonize this character.
If nothing else, I think of Laozi and one of the core quotes in the center of the Tao Te Ching:
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I would clarify that there is a difference in high-functioning psychopaths/sociopaths, which tend to become CEOs or excel in business or politics, and low-functioning psychopaths/sociopaths. He's closer to high functioning, but lacks the cognitive abilities and social understanding to integrate into society fully, so doesn't quite know why what he is doing is wrong, I don't think.
I agree that Sayu shouldn't be the one to help him, though I think a girl might be able to, as I think the gyaru is able to keep him somewhat grounded if she weren't so dismissive and aggressive towards him. She's grounded enough in reality and is able to reign him in and keep him on his leash enough that she might be able to break through to him in some sense, though
It's not armchair psychology, as I pulled what I could from both the NHS and various other sites. I'm not pulling it out of my ass, though there are issues in trying to diagnose fictional characters because of a lack of ability to cross reference and to get a full psychological evaluation. (You obviously can't sit them down and talk with them, so you have to pull references from in-text)
Using the NHS for signs and symptoms,
We can examine his behavior and rationale to see if he actually fits the criteria:
"1" Is explicitly demonstrated in this chapter in how he blackmails her, and how he used the fact she was staying at his house to solicit sex from her
"2" Is shown in how he is unable to understand why his seven girlfriends left him, and why no one wants to be around him
"3" is pretty self evident in how he seeks to perform more extreme behaviors like sex and hedonism to satisfy his own
"4" is also stated outright as to why he asked Sayu to leave and why his seven girlfriends left him
"5" is the only one not explicitly shown, but is left to be made as an inference in certain circumstances
"6" is shown in his inability to understand why the first girlfriend who left him threatened to kill him and why she, and the others, left him
"7" is somewhat the case as he does blame Sayu for ruining his relationships and doesn't take responsibility for infidelity
And "8" is shown by what he did by having sex with a minor and what he is about to do.
He pretty definitively shows all of these signs except for aggressiveness or irritability, as far as we can tell by the information we have so far.
Additionally, not only does he fall into the age range that is generality diagnosed with ASPD (Late Teens-Late Forties) but he also displays the superficial charm those with Psychopathy/Sociopathy (which are characterized under Antisocial Personality Disorder) are known to show, and potentially even the intelligence as he was able to maintain significant relationships with at least seven different girls at the same time.
The NHS website shows a list of treatments that can be effective at treating Antisocial Personality Disorder, but they are by no means universal as each case is different and it varies from individual to individual.
It is not logical to assume that respecting the rights of people and acknowledging how mental illnesses like ASPD can be treated to potentially help people to reintegrate into society, even if some underlying symptoms remain, rather than acting purely out of a primal urge for revenge or sadism. Instead, respecting the rights of even the most vile of individuals, and understanding what can cause people to act in seemingly destructive ways.
It's not blind optimism, it's understanding human psychology and science and applying it to find a way to help people. I will have no blood on my hands because I'm not saying he should run free without Police oversight, rather, I'm saying he should see a court-appointed therapist so his specific case will be treated in junction to a lesser sentence as he seems to be unable to differentiate or understand right from wrong. This is not blind optimism, sunshine and rainbows, or intentionally dishonesty to the nature of people, but rather the understanding that people have rights to be treated certain ways, and that helping those suffering from a mental affliction they cannot control is more optimal than throwing people into the asylum to worsen any issues they may have.
I find it interesting that your argument earlier was based in pathos and how apparently calling this character mentally ill is demeaning towards the mentally ill, despite every case of mental illness being different and those with anti-social mental illnesses are also mentally ill, yet you know disregard the lens of empathy in order to demonize this character.
If nothing else, I think of Laozi and one of the core quotes in the center of the Tao Te Ching:
@Amenohi
I would clarify that there is a difference in high-functioning psychopaths/sociopaths, which tend to become CEOs or excel in business or politics, and low-functioning psychopaths/sociopaths. He's closer to high functioning, but lacks the cognitive abilities and social understanding to integrate into society fully, so doesn't quite know why what he is doing is wrong, I don't think.
I agree that Sayu shouldn't be the one to help him, though I think a girl might be able to, as I think the gyaru is able to keep him somewhat grounded if she weren't so dismissive and aggressive towards him. She's grounded enough in reality and is able to reign him in and keep him on his leash enough that she might be able to break through to him in some sense, though
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I gave spoilers about this arc and a bit more of what's next in the LN story in the comments of the chapter 15 i think.
I hope i remember correctly most of the spoilers, i read them a good while ago. Hope it helps.
I gave spoilers about this arc and a bit more of what's next in the LN story in the comments of the chapter 15 i think.
Sayu is saved by Yoshida with the help of Asami (i still hope the manga shows the message she sends him to alert him even when she already told him she probably was in danger), nothing happens to Yaguchi he "talks" with Yoshida after he kicks him out his house (with Sayu still inside lol) and basically Yaguchi agrees to not say anything about the situation for stupid reasons (he wants to see Yoshida fail and take advantage of Sayu also or at least accept he's not different from him).
All this arc is just k-drama and character development for Sayu to finally get some selfesteem, show the change in her feelings by not wanting to sleep with someone to solve a problem and to stop making stupid decisions and asking for help when it's needed from Yoshida and Asami.
All this arc is just k-drama and character development for Sayu to finally get some selfesteem, show the change in her feelings by not wanting to sleep with someone to solve a problem and to stop making stupid decisions and asking for help when it's needed from Yoshida and Asami.
I hope i remember correctly most of the spoilers, i read them a good while ago. Hope it helps.
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@Saint_Rygar thank you for the info
also i went back to ch 15 comment section to look and i saw your last comment/spoilers, thanks for that also
also i went back to ch 15 comment section to look and i saw your last comment/spoilers, thanks for that also
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I did feel like watching something soapy these days so this series shall do
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It's obvious he is mental....
I understand he needs professional help, but he deserves worse than Death.
I understand he needs professional help, but he deserves worse than Death.
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depends on you, everyone has their own reading interest
Nothing much, just a big cringe-worthy moment where Kyouya tries to rationalise his actions and arguing that Yoshida letting her stay without doing anything. After Kyouya left, Sayu cries about having sex with him in the past and so on.
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So far we've only seen 'good guy' yoshida. Having this guy appeared to his life now would trigger a flag, perhaps 'his past'.
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Her friend doesn't know he's still around, like Sayu said: He's been waiting outside for three hours because he's a creepy ass stalker. The police probably have a description of her from a missing persons report from her parents so they can easily identify who she is if he reports her. She can't prove that months ago (or however long it was ago) he had sex with her but also she's staying with another stranger but he's totally 100% legit don't worry he's not a pedo but this guy is.
Her friend doesn't know he's still around, like Sayu said: He's been waiting outside for three hours because he's a creepy ass stalker. The police probably have a description of her from a missing persons report from her parents so they can easily identify who she is if he reports her. She can't prove that months ago (or however long it was ago) he had sex with her but also she's staying with another stranger but he's totally 100% legit don't worry he's not a pedo but this guy is.
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