Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 31 - The Second Encounter

[Dingo777]

Never thought about this, but like he knows Hikari is popular and well liked (it was one of his insecurities) so yeah he could have absolutely asked her about "Aya senpai" if it had been more important to him to track down Aya than to keep it from Hikari.

Granted, I don't think this makes him terrible - just that he maybe was more interested in moving on and getting back to status quo.


I hear you - I have all the frustration w/ her wounded bird tragedy arc. She does start to open up and be slightly less self serving w/ Hikari - giving her real advice about getting the guy, dropping a bit of the cool girl aloofness - and like I think that this part of the arc may be basically the power of friendship where romance fails. It'd be the easy way to up the tragedy - she loses the friendship that's actually helped her heal b/c of a self-destructive romance.

That’s why I can’t imagine Yuu was intent on winning her back, from provided context it looks like he’s trying to move on and had no intentions of putting himself in a confrontation with Yami. That said if one occurred I’d also understand him wanting some answers considering what she did to him.

I won’t speculate too much on what may have been said before Hikari arrives, but we know she slaps him and then kisses him. Personally I’d be hard pressed to think of a single good reason for her to do so that’s not toxic and self-serving.

Im not saying she’s completely irredeemable but giving her more and more backstory is doing at best nothing To help and honestly is just making her more and more unlikable. She has a LOOOONG road to a realistic redemption arc, one that I unfortunately don’t trust the author to do so the best I can hope for instead is hoping she ends up sad and alone because of what she’s done.

Unfortunately I realize how equally unrealistic an expectation that is and I absolutely wouldn’t put it past the author to have Yuu and Yami get together with Hikari’s blessing while she’s left in the cold.

So instead I and many others (though perhaps not for identical reasons) just find it easier to hate her.

 

[NotSomeone]

So Hikari was never the main character of this story was she?
Like, from the chapters we spent with her we had little to no character development other than she being a little dumb girl (maybe because she's lovestruck) with a heart of gold.
And now we are having like a whole novel of character development for Yami and Yuu, with backstories and everything else going on.
It's like this has always been Yami's story with Yuu and Hikari was just filler, literally a "What was this guy doing while the main story was going on, look at him he's such a goofball" kind of filler chapter / arc some shows have.

Idk, what i want to get at is that Hikari feels like a comic relief character awkwardly strapped to the back of a way too serious, angsty and edgy romance about two self destructive teenagers.

 

[Dingo777]

So Hikari was never the main character of this story was she?
Like, from the chapters we spent with her we had little to no character development other than she being a little dumb girl (maybe because she's lovestruck) with a heart of gold.
And now we are having like a whole novel of character development for Yami and Yuu, with backstories and everything else going on.
It's like this has always been Yami's story with Yuu and Hikari was just filler, like literally a "What was this guy doing while the main story was going on, look at him he's such a goofball" kind of filler chapter / arc some shows have.

Idk, what i want to get at is that Hikari feels like a comic relief character awkwardly strapped to the back of a way too serious, angsty and edgy romance about two self destructive teenagers.

You see if Hikari didn’t exist the author couldn’t bait and switch protagonists for those sweet sweet rage dollars.

 

[NotSomeone]

You see if Hikari didn’t exist the author couldn’t bait and switch protagonists for those sweet sweet rage dollars.

Eh, when I saw the kiss between Yami and Yuu I was hyped to see what was going on.
Then we got a flashback right at the height of a climax, it was interesting and I even tried to defend it, but like I said in the comments of a previous chapter, I wouldn't mind the flashback if it was something brief.

What we are having is not at all brief, even if I was reading everything from the start this would feel like a slog.
It's like the author is dangling a carrot in front of us making we want to read what is going in present time but it went from a simple tease to a show as frustrating as a Turkish ice cream man is to a little kid.
And now I am kind of fed up and I don't really care about present time or the whole premise of this manga anymore.

I genuinely believe that a whole manga of Yami trying to sabotage herself but ultimately healing through her relationship with Yuu would be good, the author 100% can tell that story, and Hikari's character right now feels like a barrier to that story being told.

Likewise, a whole manga about Hikari being a silly little adorable goofball trying to rizz up her childhood crush would be really good and the author is able to tell that story.

But they should be separate mangas, try and mix everything up and it just tourns sour.
This manga is worst than the sum of its parts.

 

[Dingo777]

Eh, when I saw the kiss between Yami and Yuu I was hyped to see what was going on.
Then we got a flashback right at the height of a climax, it was interesting and I even tried to defend it, but like I said in the comments of a previous chapter, I wouldn't mind the flashback if it was something brief.

What we are having is not at all brief, even if I was reading everything from the start this would feel like a slog.
It's like the author is dangling a carrot in front of us making we want to read what is going in present time but it went from a simple tease to a show as frustrating as a Turkish ice cream man is to a little kid.
And now I am kind of fed up and I don't really care about present time or the whole premise of this manga anymore.

I genuinely believe that a whole manga of Yami trying to sabotage herself but ultimately healing through her relationship with Yuu would be good, the author 100% can tell that story, and Hikari's character right now feels like a barrier to that story being told.

Likewise, a whole manga about Hikari being a silly little adorable goofball trying to rizz up her childhood crush would be really good and the author is able to tell that story.

But they should be separate mangas, try and mix everything up and it just tourns sour.
This manga is worst than the sum of its parts.

Honestly well said. That’s really the kicker, the author COULD have told two separate stories fairly well, instead he tried to mash them together in the worst way possible and spoiled both. It’s like drinking milk after eating cranberry sauce, love milk, love cranberry sauce. When you eat them both together it just makes it taste rotten.

Not to mention the format of short chapters and having the second “story” told via flashbacks at the worst possible moment

 

[story645]

Im not saying she’s completely irredeemable but giving her more and more backstory is doing at best nothing To help and honestly is just making her more and more unlikable.

Yeah, my problem w/ the backstory is that so far we only see her being self destructive in ways that hurt other people. Even the kiss, in the moment she knows it's gonna destroy her friendship w/ Hikari.

Also as much as I dislike the tragedy porn, her backstory needed more backstory - like scenes w/ her parents to show that they're as toxic as she (unreliable self destructive narrator that she is) says they've been and scenes from school life before her home life took a dive to show why she didn't have anyone in her life.

So far, the scenes we've gotten in her POV have been her hating on an eager but perfectly nice Hikari and romanticizing a relationship w/ Yuu that I don't think would have ended w/ her ghosting if it was actually a happy healthy help her grow ship.

 

[Dingo777]

Yeah, my problem w/ the backstory is that so far we only see her being self destructive in ways that hurt other people. Even the kiss, in the moment she knows it's gonna destroy her friendship w/ Hikari.

Also as much as I dislike the tragedy porn, her backstory needed more backstory - like scenes w/ her parents to show that they're as toxic as she (unreliable self destructive narrator that she is) says they've been and scenes from school life before her home life took a dive to show why she didn't have anyone in her life.

So far, the scenes we've gotten in her POV have been her hating on an eager but perfectly nice Hikari and romanticizing a relationship w/ Yuu that I don't think would have ended w/ her ghosting if it was actually a happy healthy help her grow ship.

I’ve mentioned before as have a few others, but I really think both these characters would be better told as their own separate stories that don’t hinge on eachother, because right now they’re just actively detracting from what could honestly be two good stories. One a light cutesy romcom about a loveable dope Macking in her childhood friend, and the other a serious story of a hurt girl healing and growing by falling in love and making friends.

 

[KaiserBeo]

SHHHHHEEEEE'SSSSSS BAAAACCKKKKK!!!!!

Lmao Hikari woke her up and Yami decided "alright that's it, your crush is mine." Menace. Truly the Paul of manga.

 

[KeyaBladeA]

It's so funny that after the incident of chapter 21 every comment section after has turned in to war zone at this point I want to start making jokes of calling unfunny twists in RL and manga "Getting Chapter 21'd"

 

[GennArc]

Nah dude that’s EXACTLY the time for a heart to heart. Instead she hid shit because she’s a coward and possibly because she knew the chance to see him again would arise if she pushed the two together. I mean come on is she just going to conveniently never meet her “best friend’s” boyfriend for the rest of her life? Plus we have no evidence that he corner her considering he didn’t even want to go until Hikari pressured him.

And if Yami told Hikari about her past relationship with Yuu and that she was still in love with him, what should Hikari do as her best friend? For some reason everyone thinks that for Yami being friends means she needs to talk to Hikari and simply give up on her love while completely forgetting what that means and suggests for the other side.

 

[radstylix]

Oh my goodness it's her!

I can't say we're "sooo back" since we are still in flashback mode though, good God.

 

[radstylix]

This girl really likes self-destructing huh?

I agree but she's young and have a terrible family life, what else she gonna do?

 

[Dingo777]

And if Yami told Hikari about her past relationship with Yuu and that she was still in love with him, what should Hikari do as her best friend? For some reason everyone thinks that for Yami being friends means she needs to talk to Hikari and simply give up on her love while completely forgetting what that means and suggests for the other side.

If you have major past with a person you’re best friends with is in love with, you owe to them to at least summarize things. Best case scenario if you don’t you could end up with misunderstanding that hurt your relationships. Worst case you end up with… this mess. She was scared to make things a little tense between the three so she ended up EXPLODING things between the three.

I’m not saying she should give a blow by blow of blowing Yuu but at least some perspective like “we dated in the past, it was a bad breakup.” And then Hikari can chose how to proceed. Instead she left her in the dark in a situation where things could easy end with betraying her completely.

Yami only worries about Yami.

 

[GennArc]

If you have major past with a person you’re best friends with is in love with, you owe to them to at least summarize things. Best case scenario if you don’t you could end up with misunderstanding that hurt your relationships. Worst case you end up with… this mess. She was scared to make things a little tense between the three so she ended up EXPLODING things between the three.

I’m not saying she should give a blow by blow of blowing Yuu but at least some perspective like “we dated in the past, it was a bad breakup.” And then Hikari can chose how to proceed. Instead she left her in the dark in a situation where things could easy end with betraying her completely.

Yami only worries about Yami.

You're saying they should have a heart to heart. That means not just telling "we dated in the past", that means telling everything, right? Including the part that she still is in love with Yuu.
So I ask again, what should Hikari do when she hears that? As a good friend to Yami.

 

[Dingo777]

You're saying they should have a heart to heart. That means not just telling "we dated in the past", that means telling everything, right? Including the part that she still is in love with Yuu.
So I ask again, what should Hikari do when she hears that? As a good friend to Yami.

That’s up to Hikari. She can face her on even ground as a potential rival, she can bow out for her friends sake, shit she can just have a good cry if Yami wants to give up on Yuu despite still loving him. Have some self reflection to see that you were toxic for eachother. At the very least Hikari could help them meet on neutral ground where things wouldn’t escalate as much. This scenario was gonna blow up at least a little, but Yuu deliberately chose to try and protect herself instead of preventing her friend from stumbling in blind and get hurt even worse.

 

[GennArc]

That’s up to Hikari. She can face her on even ground as a potential rival, she can bow out for her friends sake, shit she can just have a good cry if Yami wants to give up on Yuu despite still loving him. Have some self reflection to see that you were toxic for eachother. At the very least Hikari could help them meet on neutral ground where things wouldn’t escalate as much. This scenario was gonna blow up at least a little, but Yuu deliberately chose to try and protect herself instead of preventing her friend from stumbling in blind and get hurt even worse.

See? These are exactly the scenarios Yami might've wanted to avoid. Having a conflict over that or Hikari giving up for her sake. In chapter 15 she wished for Hikari to get together with him (after already learning that it is the same Yuu).

 

[habla]

if anything, it’ll just make Yami look even worse when we get back to the canon event.

I am POGGING OUT in anticipation
I thought the author lost the plot when they made Yami a virgin schoolgirl prostitute but I have a good feeling about this

 

[Dingo777]

See? These are exactly the scenarios Yami might've wanted to avoid. Having a conflict over that or Hikari giving up for her sake. In chapter 15 she wished for Hikari to get together with him (after already learning that it is the same Yuu).

Then tell her you still love him but that you’ve given up on him. That way she’d know to try to give you guys distance from eachother or arrange a space for you to talk. Hikari is supposed to be her best friend, so she’s gonna have to meet her boyfriend SOMEDAY. Best case Yami is putting things off til a more destructive time, hell imagine they had this blow up on Hikari’s wedding day. The outcome for Yami would be roughly the same but Hikari would be DEVASTATED. More than she likely currently is.

 

[story645]

because right now they’re just actively detracting from what could honestly be two good stories.

This articulates what I've been struggling to, which is why this doesn't quite work as the Tragedy I think it's supposed to be.

Like after this arc, the stakes just don't feel all that high for any ending to feel terribly tragic - right now it mostly hinges on what 10 chapters? to convince us they're actually best friends and this isn't more Aya hyping up a decent person to "unattainable" love after like 3 weeks of knowing them status.

 

[h1sd]

It's gotten to the point where I genuinely can't remember when the flashback started or what even happened before it. This is just very mediocre wannabe cryporn at this point I feel, I'm out.