Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 31 - The Second Encounter

[GennArc]

People already malding how Ayami "betrayed the person who saved her", but let's be real, the way they become friends is Hikari being annoyingly persistent and imposing her sense of justice or whatever on Ayami until she gives in.

Have to disagree on this. We haven't seen how they actually became friends yet, and from what we know from the sleepover chapter they are pretty close, so I doubt it's just a result of Hikari's persistence and nothing else.

On the other hand, people are definitely going to interpret anything Yami does against her. It will either be "what a bitch, refusing the goodwill of others" or "hack author is trying to make me sympathize with her again".

 

[Schernobyl]

I mean yeah, of course he wants to talk, she took his virginity, made him fall in love, then hard ghosted him. I’m sure he has a few questions before he can have closure. That kinda shit fucks a person up and she did it anyway and then cried “poor me” about it. She hurts people and then feels bad for herself. She’s beyond toxic.


I can suffer a lot, my main issue is she’s clearly not shown to be even trying to better herself. She’s still being entirely self serving. I’m sure if her backstory was presented some other way it wouldn’t rub me so raw but I can’t mentally divorce my frustration with the writing from my frustration with Yami.

Yami actually is trying to improve herself. Her homelife which she had hoped would improve when she ghosted Yuu and dedicated herself to her mother did not get better. That weight is dragging her down which is probably why she's making these mistakes. She wants better for herself but does it in a self destructive fashion. This causes her to start the cycle again.

 

[Tremble123]

These bi-weekly threads are so toxic 😭. Reading and looking at story as it plays out is great, but these comments are also apart of the charm. Just some good ol' ship wars every other Monday.

 

[Dingo777]

These bi-weekly threads are so toxic 😭. Reading and looking at story as it plays out is great, but these comments are also apart of the charm. Just some good ol' ship wars every other Monday.

It’s a bit of a ritual at this point, roll up on Monday, get frustrated, vent, then read some cutesy bullshit to warm back up

 

[Kip44]

Don't quit school Yami! God hates quitters.
Sincerely, a life long smoker.

 

[Valle_reading_manga]

On my first day to school university, I've decided to quit school university

Can relate

 

[Haze123553]

You guys phrase it like she was screwing Yuu in the present time. She made a rash decision to kiss him and it's gonna hurt hikari but hating her over that sounds weird to me.

If it's weird to you it's because you don't seem to know how basic decency between friends work.

You can't chalk up lying, withholding and ultimately betraying your friend as just a 'rash' decision.

She knew Hikari liked Yuu, even if you want to argue she was trying to supress her feelings etc and it was spur of the moment the rest of her actions logically can't make sense.

letting Hikari know she used to date Yuu at some point is the minimum she should do as a friend especially since she's framing herself as supporting the relationship as much as she can.

Even if you want to act like it'd be awkward etc and make defence's if a person like that existed in real life I'd hate them based on principle for the same reasons.

The reason Yami is hateable is numerous tbh

Her betrayal is only one aspect tbh and while it's the biggest it's far from the last.

The author trying to make her sympathetic ( and failing miserably) dedicating literally a third of the total released chapters on her, her dumbass reason (or lack thereoff) of breaking up with Yuu and just in general being a bland and straight up boring character who's only appeal so far being "im broken and therefore im deep" just makes her obnoxious.

 

[GennArc]

letting Hikari know she used to date Yuu at some point is the minimum she should do as a friend especially since she's framing herself as supporting the relationship as much as she can.

I will ask you too. What should Hikari do when she hears that? As a friend to Yami.

 

[BlackHoxton]

If it's weird to you it's because you don't seem to know how basic decency between friends work.

You can't chalk up lying, withholding and ultimately betraying your friend as just a 'rash' decision.

She knew Hikari liked Yuu, even if you want to argue she was trying to supress her feelings etc and it was spur of the moment the rest of her actions logically can't make sense.

letting Hikari know she used to date Yuu at some point is the minimum she should do as a friend especially since she's framing herself as supporting the relationship as much as she can.

Even if you want to act like it'd be awkward etc and make defence's if a person like that existed in real life I'd hate them based on principle for the same reasons.

The reason Yami is hateable is numerous tbh

Her betrayal is only one aspect tbh and while it's the biggest it's far from the last.

The author trying to make her sympathetic ( and failing miserably) dedicating literally a third of the total released chapters on her, her dumbass reason (or lack thereoff) of breaking up with Yuu and just in general being a bland and straight up boring character who's only appeal so far being "im broken and therefore im deep" just makes her obnoxious.

You really need to stop acting like it's insane to think humans don't always act in the most rational manner at all times. Your reply reads like you want an excuse to hate Yami. No shit she could have done things differently but it's a leap to hate her over it.

 

[Nobi]

I think I like the new character. She looks really nice.

 

[Dingo777]

I think I like the new character. She looks really nice.

Golly I sure hope nothing happens to her and her kindness is never betrayed!

 

[BobSmegdorf]

This has got to be my favorite trainwreck manga that I'm reading right now

 

[story645]

She might be on a path to self-destruction but she clearly doesn't want anyone else to get involved in that.

I agree that it's not her intent to burn other people w/ her self destructiveness, but that doesn't change that Yuu and Hikari get hurt because of it.

She could have broken up w/ Yuu "hey, my family stuff is too much right now" and talked to Yuu instead of kissing him at "my ex is my best friends crush" but her characterization has pretty consistently been that she's in survival mode - she does the impulsive thing that protects her from immediate emotional danger rather than slowing down and making the emotionally healthy move.

Even her going back to school was to get away from her mother, and first day of school and she's ready to bounce and it's not even all that clear why.

ETA: also trying to be non-judgemental here, like this behavior pattern is textbook and fairly common and in a teenager is generally "things are bad" rather than "they are bad". More thinking through that this is the behavior pattern the author chose for her to have.

 

[noleafclover75]

You really need to stop acting like it's insane to think humans don't always act in the most rational manner at all times. Your reply reads like you want an excuse to hate Yami. No shit she could have done things differently but it's a leap to hate her over it.

It's not really a leap. She's a fairly despicable character.

It doesn't really matter for her circumstances either And yes she's acting irrational but that's her choice to do that.

I think its fairly reasonable to despise someone like this.

With that being said, there are almost always roads to redemption. We'll have to see if it happens.

 

[BlackHoxton]

It's not really a leap. She's a fairly despicable character.

It doesn't really matter for her circumstances either And yes she's acting irrational but that's her choice to do that.

I think its fairly reasonable to despise someone like this.

With that being said, there are almost always roads to redemption. We'll have to see if it happens.

Her circumstances definitely matter, if she was intentionally acting to torment Hikari that would be pretty important to consider lol.

Again, this is part of my issue with hating on a character. There can definitely be cases where it's bad writing and all but if a chatacter is intentionally written with bad traits like Yami, hating on her just comes off as pointless.

 

[Zafkiel_Aleph]

Lost all interest in drama queen here after the petty breakup chapter but I kinda enjoy her tormenting the cheery optimistic Hikari. It's not everyday I get to see a character telling the bubbly character to mind their own business bluntly in a school setting romance manga.

 

[Dingo777]

Lost all interest in drama queen here after the petty breakup chapter but I kinda enjoy her tormenting the cheery optimistic Hikari. It's not everyday I get to see a character telling the bubbly character to mind their own business bluntly in a school setting romance manga.

Hikari‘s just trying to do her job, Yami’s just being a little pouty shit

 

[fflogschampion]

Her circumstances definitely matter, if she was intentionally acting to torment Hikari that would be pretty important to consider lol.

Again, this is part of my issue with hating on a character. There can definitely be cases where it's bad writing and all but if a chatacter is intentionally written with bad traits like Yami, hating on her just comes off as pointless.

Most normal people don't judge intentions, they judge actions and their consequences. If someone's actions cause problems or hurt other people they get backlash. It's this thing called "accountability" a lot of people don't seem to comprehend these days.

 

[GennArc]

Most normal people don't judge intentions, they judge actions and their consequences. If someone's actions cause problems or hurt other people they get backlash. It's this thing called "accountability" a lot of people don't seem to comprehend these days.

That's because in real life there is no way to learn real intentions of someone else. Thankfully, in fiction we can, so it's a completely different matter and real life experience doesn't fully apply here.

 

[BlackHoxton]

Most normal people don't judge intentions, they judge actions and their consequences. If someone's actions cause problems or hurt other people they get backlash. It's this thing called "accountability" a lot of people don't seem to comprehend these days.

Ah no, they do matter. Do you consider someone killing out of self defence the same as someone that killed to rob a store?

You can't really have accountability if you don't even understand what's going on with Yami.