Isekai Meikyuu de Harem o - Ch. 80 - Palmasque (4)

[Amariithynar]

The prices of the mirrors in the manga are way out of whack compared with the prices in the LN. In the LN, Michio sells the mirrors to Gozer for 10,000 nars each, and buys them for between 200 and 300 nars each. Plus he didn't need a commission from a noble to buy them either. Manga writer has never heard of capitalism...

Volume 5, Chapter 4, Part 10 of the LN:「The price for a single mirror was thirty five silver coins per a single mirror. However, when we were negotiating the price, the one from whom we bought the mirrors agreed to sell us eleven undecorated Palmasque Mirrors for the price of three hundred and fifty silver coins, and since we agreed to pay for all of them up front, we saved up to three gold coins!」As per the currency exchange explanation in an earlier chapter where 1 copper is 1 nar, silver coins are worth 100 nars, and gold coins are worth 10,000 (maintaining "100 coins of the previous denomination equal 1 coin of the next denomination") means that each mirror would be 3500 nars. They were able to get a deal of buy 10, get 1 free for 350 silver coins, so 35,000 nars, saving 30,000 nars. Even if you go to the original WN posted on Syosetu, https://ncode.syosetu.com/n4259s/70/ 「ありがとうございます。この鏡は銀貨五十五枚です。装飾のついていない鏡が銀貨三十五枚でした」translates to, "Thank you. This mirror costs 55 silver coins. The undecorated mirror costs 35 silver coins." Still making a huge profit, but it's only 6500 nars, not 9800 nars, as you are suggesting (though a later chapter, chapter 5 part 4, does note Sherry managed to get an even better price going forward, because they were paying in advance, as well).

Furthermore, the capitalism has all been explained previously: the commission is specifically for unadorned mirrors, as otherwise all mirrors are adorned cheaply with local artisanwork and drastically upping the price, such that when sold in the Imperial Capital (WN chapter 71), [うちにあるのと同じようなものはなかったが、同じ大きさだと一番安いので一万八千ナール。] "They didn't have anything similar to what we have, but it was the cheapest one of the same size, and it cost 18,000 Nars." and later, same chapter, when debating what price he should set, [帝都で買うと三倍以上というところだが。銀貨三十五枚だったので、三倍で一万五百ナール。] "If you buy it in the imperial capital, it will cost more than three times as much. It was 35 silver coins, so triple it to 15,000 Nars." ...goes to show the author isn't good at math, but still supports the general prices shown in the LN and manga. The only thing you're correct on is that Gozer (huh, just realized that's an incorrect translation as his name is [ゴスラー]... ANYWAYS) and Michio finalize the price at 10,000 nars, in the original WN only.


Also... Mark your stuff as spoilers, mate. And make sure you aren't saying Rutina's situation to the WN, rather than the LN, or simply incorrectly remembering it, as you did the value of the mirrors.

 

[Cincinnatus]

Volume 5, Chapter 4, Part 10 of the LN:「The price for a single mirror was thirty five silver coins per a single mirror. However, when we were negotiating the price, the one from whom we bought the mirrors agreed to sell us eleven undecorated Palmasque Mirrors for the price of three hundred and fifty silver coins, and since we agreed to pay for all of them up front, we saved up to three gold coins!」As per the currency exchange explanation in an earlier chapter where 1 copper is 1 nar, silver coins are worth 100 nars, and gold coins are worth 10,000 (maintaining "100 coins of the previous denomination equal 1 coin of the next denomination") means that each mirror would be 3500 nars. They were able to get a deal of buy 10, get 1 free for 350 silver coins, so 35,000 nars, saving 30,000 nars. Even if you go to the original WN posted on Syosetu, https://ncode.syosetu.com/n4259s/70/ 「ありがとうございます。この鏡は銀貨五十五枚です。装飾のついていない鏡が銀貨三十五枚でした」translates to, "Thank you. This mirror costs 55 silver coins. The undecorated mirror costs 35 silver coins." Still making a huge profit, but it's only 6500 nars, not 9800 nars, as you are suggesting (though a later chapter, chapter 5 part 4, does note Sherry managed to get an even better price going forward, because they were paying in advance, as well).

Furthermore, the capitalism has all been explained previously: the commission is specifically for unadorned mirrors, as otherwise all mirrors are adorned cheaply with local artisanwork and drastically upping the price, such that when sold in the Imperial Capital (WN chapter 71), [うちにあるのと同じようなものはなかったが、同じ大きさだと一番安いので一万八千ナール。] "They didn't have anything similar to what we have, but it was the cheapest one of the same size, and it cost 18,000 Nars." and later, same chapter, when debating what price he should set, [帝都で買うと三倍以上というところだが。銀貨三十五枚だったので、三倍で一万五百ナール。] "If you buy it in the imperial capital, it will cost more than three times as much. It was 35 silver coins, so triple it to 15,000 Nars." ...goes to show the author isn't good at math, but still supports the general prices shown in the LN and manga. The only thing you're correct on is that Gozer (huh, just realized that's an incorrect translation as his name is [ゴスラー]... ANYWAYS) and Michio finalize the price at 10,000 nars, in the original WN only.


Also... Mark your stuff as spoilers, mate. And make sure you aren't saying Rutina's situation to the WN, rather than the LN, or simply incorrectly remembering it, as you did the value of the mirrors.

I agree that the price of the mirrors changed over the course of the Light Novel as Sherry negotiated with the Mirror Shop Owners Wife to eventually get the price down from the 55 and 35 silver priced mirrors down to 20 silver each, BUT they didn't buy them ALL in advance. From what I remember, they typically only paid for one in advance.

The comment about the manga writer not understanding capitalism referred to the requirement of needing a commission in this case from the Duke. That nonsense didn't exist in the LN/WN... No self respecting merchant would ever require that Bull Shit...

Spoiler

As for Rutina being a Spoiler, that will never be the case, seeing as this Manga won't get to her part of the story for a Decade, if Ever. So lighten up.

 

[Amariithynar]

I agree that the price of the mirrors changed over the course of the Light Novel as Sherry negotiated with the Mirror Shop Owners Wife to eventually get the price down from the 55 and 35 silver priced mirrors down to 20 silver each, BUT they didn't buy them ALL in advance. From what I remember, they typically only paid for one in advance.

It explicitly was a reduction in price for paying in advance, and in the first case of the further reduced price due to Sherry's hard negotiation, they paid for two in advance.

The comment about the manga writer not understanding capitalism referred to the requirement of needing a commission in this case from the Duke. That nonsense didn't exist in the LN/WN... No self respecting merchant would ever require that Bull Shit...

It's not nonsense at all. Every single craftsman in Palmasque is FOREVER FORBIDDEN FROM LEAVING ON PAIN OF DEATH BY THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY. And yes, I bolded and italicized that in the hopes it'd get through your head for once, since it seems little else does. They are allowed to set prices on an individual level as a concession of freedom for their work, they're obviously well-off as civilians, but they are just canaries in a gilded cage. Unadorned mirrors would be an easy enough thing for anyone sufficiently rich enough to pay for them to afford being then modified and sold elsewhere as a threat to their economy, compared to the adorned mirrors sold in limited quantities for re-sale that support both Palmasque's and the national economy through the interchange of trade. The only real exception are nobles, because they have both financial & political power and the responsibility of their position to maintain the economy, as well as a limited desire for the product on an individual basis, so having a commission from them ensures that there won't be too constant of a supply of them (just what is written in the commission), gives the craftsman protection and support for their crafting (as a direct commission is an indication of quality and something they can advertise to others to get benefits, even if it's just an increase in work purchased), and simply acts as an exception to the rules otherwise set by the government because of their official status as an agent of said government. Even then if any particular noble forgot themselves and their place and attempted to be greedy about it, no doubt it would be rejected even still.

As for Rutina being a Spoiler, that will never be the case, seeing as this Manga won't get to her part of the story for a Decade, if Ever. So lighten up.

A spoiler is still a spoiler, for fucks sake. Especially for the people that might end up turning to the LN to continue the story at their own pace. Don't be a spoilering shithead.

 

[AnacondaHL]

oh? Is this series becoming Spice and Wolf 2.0, but way hornier?

 

[Cincinnatus]

It explicitly was a reduction in price for paying in advance, and in the first case of the further reduced price due to Sherry's hard negotiation, they paid for two in advance.


It's not nonsense at all. Every single craftsman in Palmasque is FOREVER FORBIDDEN FROM LEAVING ON PAIN OF DEATH BY THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY. And yes, I bolded and italicized that in the hopes it'd get through your head for once, since it seems little else does. They are allowed to set prices on an individual level as a concession of freedom for their work, they're obviously well-off as civilians, but they are just canaries in a gilded cage. Unadorned mirrors would be an easy enough thing for anyone sufficiently rich enough to pay for them to afford being then modified and sold elsewhere as a threat to their economy, compared to the adorned mirrors sold in limited quantities for re-sale that support both Palmasque's and the national economy through the interchange of trade. The only real exception are nobles, because they have both financial & political power and the responsibility of their position to maintain the economy, as well as a limited desire for the product on an individual basis, so having a commission from them ensures that there won't be too constant of a supply of them (just what is written in the commission), gives the craftsman protection and support for their crafting (as a direct commission is an indication of quality and something they can advertise to others to get benefits, even if it's just an increase in work purchased), and simply acts as an exception to the rules otherwise set by the government because of their official status as an agent of said government. Even then if any particular noble forgot themselves and their place and attempted to be greedy about it, no doubt it would be rejected even still.


A spoiler is still a spoiler, for fucks sake. Especially for the people that might end up turning to the LN to continue the story at their own pace. Don't be a spoilering shithead.

Palmasque is certainly very interesting social situation in that it appears to be an autonomous democracy of sorts but then it restricts the freedoms of its citizens/craftsmen from leaving the island. I guess the punishment would be for attempting to leave, because once the craftsman has left the government has no power to do anything legally...

I'd say that your commentary on nobles and their letters of introductions is too rooted in modern socialism, big government, huge standing armies, and massive taxation that we see today. In medieval times letters of introduction just let merchants know that the nobles who also used their services trusted the individual bearing it. Trade was unrestricted with countries wanting to encourage as much commerce as possible due to it increasing the wealth of their national. That's called merchantalism...

By the way, it's not cool to call somebody a Shithead on message boards like this. This isn't Fight Club. This is a message board for freely and openly discussing the story by people who are interested in it. Insulting people here will just make you look like an ass...

 

[Amariithynar]

Palmasque is certainly very interesting social situation in that it appears to be an autonomous democracy of sorts but then it restricts the freedoms of its citizens/craftsmen from leaving the island. I guess the punishment would be for attempting to leave, because once the craftsman has left the government has no power to do anything legally...

I'd say that your commentary on nobles and their letters of introductions is too rooted in modern socialism, big government, huge standing armies, and massive taxation that we see today. In medieval times letters of introduction just let merchants know that the nobles who also used their services trusted the individual bearing it. Trade was unrestricted with countries wanting to encourage as much commerce as possible due to it increasing the wealth of their national. That's called merchantalism...

By the way, it's not cool to call somebody a Shithead on message boards like this. This isn't Fight Club. This is a message board for freely and openly discussing the story by people who are interested in it. Insulting people here will just make you look like an ass...

Palmasque isn't an autonomous democracy, they are a part of the same kingdom that the rest of the towns are part of; they are a managed territory, either by the royal family directly or by another noble, due to how the kingdom itself works. Such systems have exceptions to rules that restrict common trade for those in the ruling class, and that's how nobility has always existed. There is nothing of "modern socialism, big government, huge standing armies, and massive taxation" involved in any of that, nor do I see how you could possibly come to that conclusion, considering that governments of all stripes, from the Roman Legislature to Direct Rule by Royalty/Nobility, have all restricted trade with other powers. Hell, the Opium Wars came about BECAUSE of the modern concept of free trade, and how those pushing it didn't like that China was restricting trade.

Someone who actively spoils things is a spoilering shithead. You were spoiling the story. You even got a warning about breaking the rule. I don't give a shit that I used language you don't approve of, don't be a spoilering fucking shithead.

 

[bk3k]

I agree that they should sell Amber. No matter how pretty her face, and even if you can handle the crazy, the bed pooping is just too much. While some might find that kinky too, you won't have a place to sleep, so it's really a problem. Better to just sell her and be done with it.

 

[SalvySaroj]

Severe deficiency of seggs drives detected..🥲