Isekai Walking - Vol. 8 Ch. 69 - Special Slave

[EchoGirl]

oversized clothes can be cute but be interesting if his walking skill/exp helped him unlock some kinda 'tailoring' skill too

 

[MarsVoltaire]

Adoption? Guardianship? Not even being stopped at the gate? Author literally is creating this world, and has near infinite ways out of a scenario such a this without resorting to the tired and frustrating trope of slavery. Especially after the previous chapters' comments against it

It could've ended in murder. 🤷‍♂️

 

[BladeGrip]

Given how much of a fire this topic caused, should there be a tag for mangas that have "slavery" as a content warning?

Perhaps. The fire in here is likely so much hotter because the "MC gets a slave" trope happens very late compared to other stories which typically do it within the first five chapters.

Ah yes. Love me some good ol' fashioned slavery. Now I just need a sprinkle of racism agaisnt everyone who's not human and were good to go.

It's already mentioned in one of the early chapters that there are nations which run on human supremacy. Sora witnessing/experiencing racism is just a question of when at this point.

 

[HailBritannia_]

oh no, not slavery here as well

 

[MarsVoltaire]

Perhaps. The fire in here is likely so much hotter because the "MC gets a slave" trope happens very late compared to other stories which typically do it within the first five chapters.


It's already mentioned in one of the early chapters that there are nations which run on human supremacy. Sora witnessing/experiencing racism is just a question of when at this point.

Ah i forgot about that. I should re-read the series again.

 

[sanctuary]

Given how much of a fire this topic caused, should there be a tag for mangas that have "slavery" as a content warning?

edit: added that as a suggestion to this new tag suggestions thread

PLEASE.

 

[Solipsist]

Why. Always. Slavery.
Japan, what the fuck? stop it already.

 

[Korvalus]

"Indentured Servitude."

I wonder if they still teach in schools that the United States / 13 Colonies used that system.

(And we sort of still do with the employer-controlled H1B Visa system....)

Hmmmmng... I don't think it's EXACTLY the same (but very similar).

In indenture, you work with no pay until a debt is cleared, with only food and board as "payment". It can last many years and usually the "owner" keeps adding life items used by the indentured to the list to keep them working for free.

In apprenticeship there was a definite period, you learn a job and yes, you work for you mentor in whatever they need done (and often appropriate to your skill level). By using indenture was often a means to "pay" for said apprenticeship, and was paid with the apprentice's work anyway, so it was more of an exclusivity contract than anything. And after the contracted period is done, you're free to go or continue as a full-craftsman in service of your mentor's workshop with pay.

You know what else was common back then? Dysentery. How many light novels do we have where people are shitting themselves to death?

Dysentery and other sicknesses are only bought up if they can become a plot point. How many times the dreadful Japanese Common Cold has bought schoolboys/girls to their knees when needed? And some Isekais, probably of the medical variety, might bring them up, too.
Unrelated, but I've yet to find dysentery or other medieval sicknesses on my D&D and WFR 4th Ed. games as well.

Apprenticeship is not even remotely the same as slavery. Apprenticeship is a contract, in exchange for work the kid is educated and gets their basic needs fulfilled, slavery is a situation in which one person gets to own someone else.

Yes, but apprenticeship was usually (as the Wiki says) under a indenture contract. While indenture is not a form of slavery, it limits the options the kid has and the conditions. He's not "property" but he's not free to leave and seek other master or refuse being exploited either.

 

[ChrisFromMrBeast]

unregulated guardianship slavery… why did it have to be slavery??? Why is it always slavery???

^ Reddit moment

 

[ChrisFromMrBeast]

Why. Always. Slavery.
Japan, what the fuck? stop it already.

^ Reddit moment

 

[Wyrm]

It had to be slavery, right?
No, definitely no, not right. F... this, I'm out. Dropping this.
Too bad, the previous chapter on this subject had my hopes up.

It could have been a lot of things, from "familial" adoption to "professional" apprenticeship. Or any of several other options.
But the author wanted to push his slavery trope on the MC.

"Adoption" - Wouldn't work, because he'd need to fill out extra paperwork for that. Go through extra processes that'd register them both.

"Guardianship" - Literally the exact same problems as above.

So, these options are out because bureaucracy?
And you're saying that slavery doesn't need to involve bureaucracy?
As far as I'm concerned, all these options require the exact same level of paperwork, depending on the context.

In a world without family registry or birth certificate, paperwork for adoption or guardianship would be equally absent or limited.
Conversely, debt or criminal slaves would need as much paperwork as needed in certifying their debt or judgement. I'm not sure about war slaves, but that might not be exempt from paperwork either. So nothing points out that this "special" slavery is free of paperwork. Or would be in a world more similar to our own.

Also, do you mean to say that paperwork is that much more evil than magical ownership of a human being?

Your argument is moot to me.

 

[ChrisFromMrBeast]

Yep, they treat the concept of slavery far to lightly. It's disgusting, it's completely unwarranted here.

You black or something?

 

[theShear]

"Happily devours popcorn". Man I knew this was coming both the Story thing and what is now happening in this threat. You guys didn't disappoint.

 

[Reyven]

Dysentery and other sicknesses are only bought up if they can become a plot point. How many times the dreadful Japanese Common Cold has bought schoolboys/girls to their knees when needed? And some Isekais, probably of the medical variety, might bring them up, too.
Unrelated, but I've yet to find dysentery or other medieval sicknesses on my D&D and WFR 4th Ed. games as well.

You don't play with diseases in your campaigns? slimy doom & filth fever might be the closes to dysentery.

 

[Tiypo]

So many people are just ignoring the context of the story, treating the MC like any of the other mangas where they just walk into a slave shop and buy their waifu. Slavery is actually being used here in an intelligent manner to reflect the time period of the setting, not as an instant obedient heroine plot device, or as an excuse to abuse people without consequence.

Hmmmmng... I don't think it's EXACTLY the same (but very similar).

In indenture, you work with no pay until a debt is cleared, with only food and board as "payment". It can last many years and usually the "owner" keeps adding life items used by the indentured to the list to keep them working for free.

In apprenticeship there was a definite period, you learn a job and yes, you work for you mentor in whatever they need done (and often appropriate to your skill level). By using indenture was often a means to "pay" for said apprenticeship, and was paid with the apprentice's work anyway, so it was more of an exclusivity contract than anything. And after the contracted period is done, you're free to go or continue as a full-craftsman in service of your mentor's workshop with pay.

I don't think it's unreasonable to roll the ideas both under the umbrella of "Slavery" for the sake of simplicity, even if it's less palatable in the West. The categories of slaves roughly correlate to indentured servitude (debt slaves) and apprenticeship for undocumented children(special slaves), and both categories have a definitive way out.

Dysentery and other sicknesses are only bought up if they can become a plot point. How many times the dreadful Japanese Common Cold has bought schoolboys/girls to their knees when needed? And some Isekais, probably of the medical variety, might bring them up, too.
Unrelated, but I've yet to find dysentery or other medieval sicknesses on my D&D and WFR 4th Ed. games as well.

Lycanthropy, what makes you become a were-creature, is specifically cured by Remove Disease in 3.5e if done within a few days of getting afflicted. In fact, the 3.5 wiki has an entire page devoted to diseases.

 

[Tatsuya-Kai]

unregulated guardianship slavery… why did it have to be slavery??? Why is it always slavery???

Like it or not this was extremely common for orphans back in the day (don't believe they called it slavery but it was essentially the same thing), and no i don't mean pre-us civil war era either, this went on until around the 1930's if i remember right in the us and is still practiced in some countries to this day, actually this is portraying it nicer than it really was, since in reality you have to "pay back" the owner for the "care" in such circumstances, so some people until it was fully made illegal were essentially lifelong slaves.

It's not really pleasant but the truth of the matter is, orphans back then would usually end up dead, fodder for dangerous jobs or worse depending on the area without things like this.

 

[kaylani]

Like it or not this was extremely common for orphans back in the day (don't believe they called it slavery but it was essentially the same thing), and no i don't mean pre-us civil war era either, this went on until around the 1930's if i remember right in the us and is still practiced in some countries to this day, actually this is portraying it nicer than it really was, since in reality you have to "pay back" the owner for the "care" in such circumstances, so some people until it was fully made illegal were essentially lifelong slaves.

It's not really pleasant but the truth of the matter is, orphans back then would usually end up dead, fodder for dangerous jobs or worse depending on the area without things like this.

Why do people keep bringing up history here? Its magical isekai. Its not like someones holding a gun to the authors head and saying “if you dont bring real life concepts into your fictional universe your brain splatters on the wall”. Be real. What does slavery, used among the main cast as a way to create relationships, bring to the story? Fantasy for guys that would like a cute slave, and? Especially in this case, where she was a slave already, why put her in this circumstance?

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

This manga pretends to be wholesome, but it sure is jumping through a lot of weird hoops just to give the mc a slave. It makes literally no sense that orphanage and slavery are the only two bureaucratic options. If he is old enough to have a slave, he's old enough to just adopt her. But that would get in the way of all the pseudo-pedo bullshit we're gonna probably witness.

unregulated guardianship slavery… why did it have to be slavery??? Why is it always slavery???

Because the point of isekai is to fulfil cheap fantasies (as in "I'm so misunderstood, it'd be a big hero if only I was born in a different time"), and slavery (or total obedience of any sort I guess) is a very common sexual fantasy.

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

I don't think Sora is eligible for any official form adopting to begin with. Right now he's a stranger with no identification on him.

But he can officially enslave someone, no documents needed there? Not to mention that he doesn't really need to go to the city that bad, he can just keep to the forests/villages. Does he need spices more that that girl needs her freedom?
Don't make excuses for this shit-tier forced plot device.

 

[SageVonManga]

Excuse me?