Kanojo, Okarishimasu - Vol. 21 Ch. 178 - The Girlfriend and the Tiger’s Den (Part 3)
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I seem to have been vindicated for believing that there was no significant flags point towards Umi being a bad guy. With that being said, I'm going to side with @HalfCanadian and @arimareiji when they say that Umi hasn't done anything yet, but that doesn't mean that he won't, as pointed out by the comparison of Umi to Mami in the sense that they are behaving pleasantly with the MC, for seemingly no good reason. Cautious optimism is warranted.
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There seems to be a choice ahead for our duo, go to the after party, or go home. If they go home Kazuya and Chizuru could have a nice heart-to-heart chat on the way, maybe even a confession from Chizuru. That being said, a lot of people seem to rightly think that there'll be a confrontation with Ruka once they get home. @arimareiji I wonder if Umi tagged Kazuya in his tweet, if so his cover is blown as Ruka follows him on twitter, and will no doubt check her social media after work. While Ruka may have been able to overlook Kazuya not returning her call/texts if he called out sick, her seeing Kazuya at a party in a recently taken photo will definitely garner her ire. It'll be a lot worse if Kazuya's work finds out about the incident, man is as good as fired. Regardless, if Kazuya and Chizuru go home together and encounter Ruka, Chizuru may fed up enough that she'll tell Ruka off. It'd be a harsh move if Ruka waits to confront him about the event at work.
If they go to the after party, they'll inevitably have a run in with Umi and his close friends. Umi could make a move, maybe he asks Chizuru out knowing that he'll be rejected to give Kazuya's confidence a boost. Umi could also just as easily give Chizuru a kiss on the cheek (weird) from the wrong angle Kazuya could misinterpret the event and run home, else Umi flat out forces a kiss on Chizuru, once again leaving Kazuya to return home after misinterpreting the events.
It's hard to get a solid read on Umi, he's basically a blank slate with almost as many red flags as green ones. That being said, this series will probably be remembered for the potential drama in the series, rather than the actual drama in the series, which is probably why so many people projected Umi to be a bad guy, or wish for NTR. But, to play devils advocate for @ammatrax and @Revenant62 , Umi did change the phrasing of Chizuru's response from "I don't not like him" to "I don't not like you", adding unnecessary doubt to the phrase, and may be aimed at confusing Kazuya and Chizuru.
If they go to the after party, they'll inevitably have a run in with Umi and his close friends. Umi could make a move, maybe he asks Chizuru out knowing that he'll be rejected to give Kazuya's confidence a boost. Umi could also just as easily give Chizuru a kiss on the cheek (weird) from the wrong angle Kazuya could misinterpret the event and run home, else Umi flat out forces a kiss on Chizuru, once again leaving Kazuya to return home after misinterpreting the events.
It's hard to get a solid read on Umi, he's basically a blank slate with almost as many red flags as green ones. That being said, this series will probably be remembered for the potential drama in the series, rather than the actual drama in the series, which is probably why so many people projected Umi to be a bad guy, or wish for NTR. But, to play devils advocate for @ammatrax and @Revenant62 , Umi did change the phrasing of Chizuru's response from "I don't not like him" to "I don't not like you", adding unnecessary doubt to the phrase, and may be aimed at confusing Kazuya and Chizuru.
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I'm feeling too lazy to copypaste and properly mark up, but hopefully the thread has slowed down enough that your post won't be too far above mine. 😅
Nice analysis of the possibilities. I also wonder whether Umi somehow put 2+2 together for knowing how much that photo could get Kazuya in trouble, but for now I'm leaning toward my own take of Hanlon's Razor (mine being "Never attribute to malice that which is easily explained by ignorance, random chance, or stupidity.")
I hate to say this since it may piss people off and I'm also too lazy to go back and look it up... is it just me, or was Umi actually very gracious to Kazuya on their first meeting? If my memory serves, Kazuya's behavior deserved downright mockery and I was actually a bit befuddled that Chizuru wasn't furious.
Edit: My curiosity got the better of me and I couldn't resist looking it up: Kazuya was way the hell over the line, and Umi was very gracious.
I'm feeling too lazy to copypaste and properly mark up, but hopefully the thread has slowed down enough that your post won't be too far above mine. 😅
Nice analysis of the possibilities. I also wonder whether Umi somehow put 2+2 together for knowing how much that photo could get Kazuya in trouble, but for now I'm leaning toward my own take of Hanlon's Razor (mine being "Never attribute to malice that which is easily explained by ignorance, random chance, or stupidity.")
I hate to say this since it may piss people off and I'm also too lazy to go back and look it up... is it just me, or was Umi actually very gracious to Kazuya on their first meeting? If my memory serves, Kazuya's behavior deserved downright mockery and I was actually a bit befuddled that Chizuru wasn't furious.
Edit: My curiosity got the better of me and I couldn't resist looking it up: Kazuya was way the hell over the line, and Umi was very gracious.
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looking at your ideas, I do get your point and actually changed my viewpoint about Umi. that being said, I hope Umi isn't wearing a mask for nefarious reasons. I don't really like manga authors making it look like all handsome dudes who interact with an FeMC are two faced rapists, that shit is dumb. it's fueling young impressionable manga readers in Japan to hate other dudes for no reason.
I'll advocate for Umi in terms of theory (but my respect for him will depend on what he will do in the future), but maybe he changed the phrase to "I don't not like you" to make like sound like the FeMC is saying that phrase to the MC or the other way around.
Realistically, I would expect author (if he likes to milk the galactic shit out of the manga) to make a drama where a misunderstanding lead into a fight due to the both MC's pride and stubbornness to pause and try to understand each other. Then the FeMC is crying on this chair swing (a trope in anime), then Umi happens to meet FeMC while going somewhere and she decides dates him to forget the sorrow from that stupid fight and the MC. Then it will actually take all that jealousy games that potentially Umi (maybe the FeMC) would cause in order to force the stubborn MC to truly confess his feelings for the FeMC. A little bit of berating from the comes from the FeMC towards the MC and the MC actually is happy to receive it and somehow made up?
Two things might happen to Umi on my theory scene, he either says something like "I knew it all along, make sure you don't make her cry again or i'll be he one making her happy" (in a humble manner) or the typical rapey villian trope were he goes "she is mine you incompetent loser, *then tells detail way how he's gonna bang the FeMC to the MC*" (while sporting that rape face).
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And for the NTR, it is based on the interactions I see between the two MCs, their "relationship" seems so fragile that a simple misunderstanding (like a sudden kiss on the cheek or whisper in the ear) would cause a fight between the MCs due to the male MC's massive insecurity. Then that cause the FeMC be a target of "a shoulder to cry on is a dick to ride on" for Umi, and depending if Umi is a asshole or not, he would either exploit the FeMC being down to bang the FeMC or help her fix the relationship that the male MC broke due to insecurity.
Sorry but I just find the MC's level of insecurity very annoying specially based on the stuff he's experience and been through in the story so far.
looking at your ideas, I do get your point and actually changed my viewpoint about Umi. that being said, I hope Umi isn't wearing a mask for nefarious reasons. I don't really like manga authors making it look like all handsome dudes who interact with an FeMC are two faced rapists, that shit is dumb. it's fueling young impressionable manga readers in Japan to hate other dudes for no reason.
I'll advocate for Umi in terms of theory (but my respect for him will depend on what he will do in the future), but maybe he changed the phrase to "I don't not like you" to make like sound like the FeMC is saying that phrase to the MC or the other way around.
Realistically, I would expect author (if he likes to milk the galactic shit out of the manga) to make a drama where a misunderstanding lead into a fight due to the both MC's pride and stubbornness to pause and try to understand each other. Then the FeMC is crying on this chair swing (a trope in anime), then Umi happens to meet FeMC while going somewhere and she decides dates him to forget the sorrow from that stupid fight and the MC. Then it will actually take all that jealousy games that potentially Umi (maybe the FeMC) would cause in order to force the stubborn MC to truly confess his feelings for the FeMC. A little bit of berating from the comes from the FeMC towards the MC and the MC actually is happy to receive it and somehow made up?
Two things might happen to Umi on my theory scene, he either says something like "I knew it all along, make sure you don't make her cry again or i'll be he one making her happy" (in a humble manner) or the typical rapey villian trope were he goes "she is mine you incompetent loser, *then tells detail way how he's gonna bang the FeMC to the MC*" (while sporting that rape face).
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And for the NTR, it is based on the interactions I see between the two MCs, their "relationship" seems so fragile that a simple misunderstanding (like a sudden kiss on the cheek or whisper in the ear) would cause a fight between the MCs due to the male MC's massive insecurity. Then that cause the FeMC be a target of "a shoulder to cry on is a dick to ride on" for Umi, and depending if Umi is a asshole or not, he would either exploit the FeMC being down to bang the FeMC or help her fix the relationship that the male MC broke due to insecurity.
Sorry but I just find the MC's level of insecurity very annoying specially based on the stuff he's experience and been through in the story so far.
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I don't believe that Umi meant to put Kazuya in danger, I believe his actions to be genuinely friendly (the future may prove me wrong). And yes, Umi was very gracious to Kazuya who went way beyond creepy stalker. If I was Umi I would've reported Kazuya to the police, even if I didn't have a romantic interest in Chizuru. Regardless, he blew Kazuya's cover. More than likely the author wanted to bring in some drama/conflict into the story via Ruka, who, whether her haters want to admit it or not, is an extremely convenient way to introduce conflict and resolution within a reasonable window of time. Not to mention Ruka and Kazuya's anniversary is fast approaching, as well as Kazuya promising to take Ruka to a festival.
I don't believe that Umi meant to put Kazuya in danger, I believe his actions to be genuinely friendly (the future may prove me wrong). And yes, Umi was very gracious to Kazuya who went way beyond creepy stalker. If I was Umi I would've reported Kazuya to the police, even if I didn't have a romantic interest in Chizuru. Regardless, he blew Kazuya's cover. More than likely the author wanted to bring in some drama/conflict into the story via Ruka, who, whether her haters want to admit it or not, is an extremely convenient way to introduce conflict and resolution within a reasonable window of time. Not to mention Ruka and Kazuya's anniversary is fast approaching, as well as Kazuya promising to take Ruka to a festival.
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Hey everyone, @ammatrax thinks people should be arrested for masturbating. :|
...but I think we should wash his mouth out with soap; he's using curse words like he's eleven years old...lol soooo childish.🙄
Yes, I do because he is attracted to more than just her looks; he likes her personality too. Her REAL personality...as he doesn't like it when she does the "fake perfect girlfriend" one.
...but I think we should wash his mouth out with soap; he's using curse words like he's eleven years old...lol soooo childish.🙄
Yes, I do because he is attracted to more than just her looks; he likes her personality too. Her REAL personality...as he doesn't like it when she does the "fake perfect girlfriend" one.
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No, I think the MC should be arrested for masturbating at the SHOWER SOUNDS OF HIS NEIGHBOR, are you blind? I said MASTURBATING AT THE SHOWER SOUNDS OF A FEMALE NEIGHBOR, and that neighbor happens to interact with the MC often. that's very creepy and something a dangerous stalker would do. Idk about you, but in Japan stalking and rape starts with this type of degenerate shit.
"as he doesn't like it when she does the "fake perfect girlfriend" one."
She is just providing service for a while for and then the MC wants her to be his GF? and that's why I think he should be arrested. He gets so drowned in his own delusions because some service girl provided her with a little attention, that's disgusting and pathetic.
"...but I think we should wash his mouth out with soap; he's using curse words like he's eleven years old...lol soooo childish."
Hey cunt, I am not American, so don't give me that American PC bullshit ok? I can say whatever words I want that does not include horrific war/rape/genocide/illegal crimes. Like cunt and shit, since they respectively means vagina and feces (which the MC is).
Besides, that comment of yours is logically stupid. Wash my mouth? I didn't type those words (apparently disturbing for you) with my mouth, unless you do (i'm not judging, everyone has a kink), it would've been better if you told me to wash my hands instead. What you should do instead is use that soap to wash this shit show of a manga.
No, I think the MC should be arrested for masturbating at the SHOWER SOUNDS OF HIS NEIGHBOR, are you blind? I said MASTURBATING AT THE SHOWER SOUNDS OF A FEMALE NEIGHBOR, and that neighbor happens to interact with the MC often. that's very creepy and something a dangerous stalker would do. Idk about you, but in Japan stalking and rape starts with this type of degenerate shit.
"as he doesn't like it when she does the "fake perfect girlfriend" one."
She is just providing service for a while for and then the MC wants her to be his GF? and that's why I think he should be arrested. He gets so drowned in his own delusions because some service girl provided her with a little attention, that's disgusting and pathetic.
"...but I think we should wash his mouth out with soap; he's using curse words like he's eleven years old...lol soooo childish."
Hey cunt, I am not American, so don't give me that American PC bullshit ok? I can say whatever words I want that does not include horrific war/rape/genocide/illegal crimes. Like cunt and shit, since they respectively means vagina and feces (which the MC is).
Besides, that comment of yours is logically stupid. Wash my mouth? I didn't type those words (apparently disturbing for you) with my mouth, unless you do (i'm not judging, everyone has a kink), it would've been better if you told me to wash my hands instead. What you should do instead is use that soap to wash this shit show of a manga.
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Hey everyone @Chiibihime said that people who listen to their NEIGHBORS TAKING A SHOWER and masturbate to it is fine.
Hey buddy @Chiibihime, people who stalk other people and jack off to them while stalking them should be impaled on a spear and burned to death. if you disagree then maybe you're one of the people who does those disturbing things which happens to be illegal in Japan..... Chump (clean enough for you?)
Hey buddy @Chiibihime, people who stalk other people and jack off to them while stalking them should be impaled on a spear and burned to death. if you disagree then maybe you're one of the people who does those disturbing things which happens to be illegal in Japan..... Chump (clean enough for you?)
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Actually you cannot. Websites have these things called "rules", you see.
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@ammatrax what? People can masturbate to whatever they whant if it isn't CP, a criminal thing or invanding someone's privacy(peeping). It's just sound, it's not like he's using some amplifier to listen that. It's just like imagining her naked, but with the fact she actually naked at that time, and he didn't followed her all the time to discover when she will be taking a bath, it's just happened, nothing wrong with this behavior. People use socks, panties, the sound of others making sex, and every crazy stuff to masturbate and they buy that stuff, and it isn't a crime, it may be considered a perverted behavior but not a crime.
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Ok I get your point of view, but for me it is a very degenerate thing to do that type of thing (with the shower sounds). I lost all respect for the MC when he did that shit during the funeral/death of the FeMC's grandmother. If he really love her, then he should at least have the dignity to not do that shit at the same day of mourning.
Of course I won't bat an eye if someone jacks off to legal porn or imagination (everyone does it). Im not condemning the act of jacking btw.
Ok I get your point of view, but for me it is a very degenerate thing to do that type of thing (with the shower sounds). I lost all respect for the MC when he did that shit during the funeral/death of the FeMC's grandmother. If he really love her, then he should at least have the dignity to not do that shit at the same day of mourning.
Of course I won't bat an eye if someone jacks off to legal porn or imagination (everyone does it). Im not condemning the act of jacking btw.
Bruh, jacking off of a female neighbour is like more common than common cold. True it is disrespectful. But so what, the neighbour doesn't know it. It is a guilty pleasure for the reason. It is a sin you bear by yourself, a disrespect the target doesn't know, and a shame and guilt only you yourself know. It's not punishable by law, because it doesn't actually hurt anyone.
That aside, it is true that he should have controlled his dick, at least in the time of mourning. It is even more disrespectful than usual to do that when the target of his urge is a mourning person.
Masturbation aside, I can't wait to see the end of this fucking manga because man this drags on and on like a bloody highway
That aside, it is true that he should have controlled his dick, at least in the time of mourning. It is even more disrespectful than usual to do that when the target of his urge is a mourning person.
Masturbation aside, I can't wait to see the end of this fucking manga because man this drags on and on like a bloody highway
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I agree that the MC's relationship is a house of cards, the more the lies they pile on, the less stable it is. Not to mention the general incompatibility between the two.
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I agree that the MC's relationship is a house of cards, the more the lies they pile on, the less stable it is. Not to mention the general incompatibility between the two.
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While it would be interesting to see what kind of development/drama would come from a misunderstanding, I doubt that such an event will transpire at this point. A fight between the two is a much more realistic expectation, and would give them the chance to prove me wrong about the two being incompatible, but the compatibility is a intrinsic character thing, and one I feel will not change.
Also, weighing in on the hot topic at the moment concerning Kazuya and being arrested for being a degenerate... While I think Kazuya should've kept it under control at least until the grieving period ended, I don't think he should be arrested. If I had to have Kazuya arrested for anything, it'd be the creepy amount of stalking he has done to multiple women. With that being said, both of the aforementioned women fell in love with him, and what one views as acceptable changes with the perceived relationship with said person. And nobody in this series is innocent, except Sumi who has committed no moral/legal infractions.
Also, weighing in on the hot topic at the moment concerning Kazuya and being arrested for being a degenerate... While I think Kazuya should've kept it under control at least until the grieving period ended, I don't think he should be arrested. If I had to have Kazuya arrested for anything, it'd be the creepy amount of stalking he has done to multiple women. With that being said, both of the aforementioned women fell in love with him, and what one views as acceptable changes with the perceived relationship with said person. And nobody in this series is innocent, except Sumi who has committed no moral/legal infractions.
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That first statement took the words right out of my mouth and I 100% agree. Idk why the author is forcing these incompatible people together like the author is tryna stroke off a desperate reader that wants a porn star-grade GF while being very creepy about it .
And tbh, *IF* Umi is actually a decent person the author is trying to portray right now, he would be compatible with the FeMC, even with some character flaws like finding a new partner after a recent break up (that can be ironed or grown out throughout the interactions with the story).
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That first statement took the words right out of my mouth and I 100% agree. Idk why the author is forcing these incompatible people together like the author is tryna stroke off a desperate reader that wants a porn star-grade GF while being very creepy about it .
And tbh, *IF* Umi is actually a decent person the author is trying to portray right now, he would be compatible with the FeMC, even with some character flaws like finding a new partner after a recent break up (that can be ironed or grown out throughout the interactions with the story).
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Actually i'll take back about him getting arrested for being a creepy degenerate, it might not be illegal (from what i'm aware of ) but I'm stay 50m+ away from that musty mf. And I changed my stance from him getting arrested, a more appropriate way of dealing with him (I recently remembered) is giving him a restraining order, IF I find out about his degeneracy.
Actually change my arrest statements into restraining order
Actually change my arrest statements into restraining order
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