Kouchuugun Shikan Boukensha ni Naru - Ch. 51.1

[savris]

they have psychers?!

 

[ShiitakeCat]

Thanks for the TL!

 

[InsaneAwesomeTony]

Thanks for the chapter 🙏🏼❤️
Keep them coming!

 

[Abricomas]

While I believe the strategy is sound in theory: allow the enemy to waste ammo trying to break through the several walls, then creating a bottleneck for exiting the inner walls, and then calling in the local fauna to smack them without an easy way out.
I believe the execution has been more due to the circumstances of recent events rather than a proper plan being executed by stages...
For one, the AI can't act by itself against other humans (apparently?), so she can only wait for orders.
The protocol they have in place requires them to have the cptn relay the orders, if they cannot be contacted for a certain amount of time, the next in command takes charge, which appears to be the current situation.
The AI then asks the next in command to either step in or it will take charge (which contradicts the first step somehow?)
Since the enemy has already breached the 4th wall, the first line of defense, we won't know if there was anything there to prevent a breach besides the walls.
We now have the second in command activating one of the Active Defense Mechanisms, which calls in the local fauna.

I think things have worked out well enough in the end, but the execution has been rather bland, and in a way, also kind of nonsensical. I'm not sure if this is what the og author had in mind (perhaps he/she communicated with the manga author to give them some tips on how things should develop?), but it feels sloppy, and I still can't with how dumb the mad max part is...

I still think the manga author can fix this, if he/she takes their sweet time developing the overarching plot of high technology, while keeping the "local" plot more in the adventuring in the middle ages with cheats side of things. A bit of an old school method for sure, but it will work better than... "this".

In regards to the AI taking command or not, that gets into certain restrictions placed on it by the Empire.
Most likely the AI requires a direct order from a human military officer, cloned or natural, before being able to take command in battle.
Iris doesn't say that she can't take actions against humans; she only said that it's the first time in 992 years that the Galactic Human Empire has had to fight another Human Army. There's nothing to indicate that she can't fight humans.
And since Sharon, even though she is a clone, is considered by the Empire and its AI restrictions as being a full human, that puts her above an AI like Iris.

Back when Sharon and Selena were decanted from their cloning tanks, Iris even said that she has no authority to draft them into the military, and could only ask them to enlist.

 

[Abricomas]

Bro jus got beat up like he fodder, get a upgrade MC this is jus sad

But he's always been shown to be lacking when it comes to close combat skills, if his opponent also has cybernetic nanom augments.
Like, in Chapter 30 Page 7, Elsa says that Alan has never once been able to beat Sharon or Selena. And remember that they're flash-grown and -trained clones, whose entire combat experience is all downloaded military skills from the standard Imperial "education" and the VR video game movesets that Alan uses.
This was from the original author, so it's always been the case. People just conveniently forget this all the time.

In fact, the only place where Alan's natural life experiences are better seems to be in being able to visualize things, due to him having watched media and played video games as he grew up. It's how he was able to quickly understand, visualize, and use healing magic, and he created that Cells at Work-like fantasy film to help Sharon and Selena learn it (though they ended up just using hypno-training to learn it).

 

[xpsox]

Couldn’t they have turned off the monster wards initially, why let them blow up their walls?

Most Likely some law preventing them from preemptive strike.

 

[Abricomas]

Couldn’t they have turned off the monster wards initially, why let them blow up their walls?

The monster wards are located between Walls 3 and 4, so the enemy has to blow up Wall 4 before they enter the area protected by the wards.
It seems that the outermost wall is just at the edge of the Great Demon Forest. That's probably why Wall 4 is so cheaply made; in addition to being easily breached to lure enemy armies in, it has to be cheap because of the size of the perimeter.
Though, admittedly, we don't know how big is the Great Demon Forest, or the size of Alan's territory. We only know that 100,000 soldiers are enough to encircle the territory (EDIT: the base is said to have a diameter of 30km, but we don't know if that encompasses the entire Great Demon Forest, or it's just the size of the controlled territory), as shown by the maps of the area shown so far (though no scale is given).
We only get told that it's about 2 kilometers from the last known safe resting spot outside the Forest, and Wall 4, from when the immigrant caravan first arrived and when the Alois Army set up their encirclement.

Turning off the anti-monster pylons probably wouldn't have done much if the enemy was still outside Wall 4, since the monsters would have had only had 2 kilometers to attack the Alois Army.
By waiting for the Alois Army to get all the way to Wall 3 before springing the trap, the enemy would be surrounded on all sides by monsters, instead of leaving a safe path where they could retreat to regroup and then launch a more cohesive attack.

The walls and the anti-monster pylons are shown in Chapter 46.

 

[le3]

It feels like y'all thought out this strategy for the battle more than the author.

Because we love this series and hope it return to it original glory when it adapt the ln story

 

[captain_crunch]

Didn't they have high altitude drones with very accurate guns? When are those going to be used? Could at least target the seige equipment and operators. That would slow them down a lot

 

[Abricomas]

Didn't they have high altitude drones with very accurate guns? When are those going to be used? Could at least target the seige equipment and operators. That would slow them down a lot

If they're going to attack the siege weapons, it'll probably be now, when the trap has been sprung. That's assuming that they will even destroy the siege weapons instead of having the monsters kill the operators and capturing the cannons for parts to later use in their own weapons.
Considering how they wanted to lure the Alois/Verta Army into the area, why would they have wanted to slow down the enemy's progress? Why would they want the enemy to realize that they are hopelessly outmatched and can't fight an airborne enemy with the weapons they brought, when they haven't entered the killzone yet?
Also, it's not like airborne threats aren't unknown to the natives; they have dragons and wyverns, so since they've developed mana cannons, it's not a very big leap to think about making one that can traverse high enough to shoot airborne targets, and is tied in with their Bird's Eye spells for targeting.

But, why use the drones at all?
The enemy are in range of the guns on Wall 3, so why not use them instead of the drones that are likely tasked with tracking the army itself to make sure that all stragglers and survivors are accounted for?

 

[Nomfishus]

they have psychers?!

Nope, no psykers, they'd all suffer a lot everytime they used magic if that were the case.
I'm like 90% sure that "magic" in this is atmospheric manipulation via a distributed nanomachine network. Either that or it's some Necron "magic" ("Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" type shii)

 

[Nomfishus]

It's the Psi emitter once again.

Starcraft fan I assume? Very nice, god I wish there was a third (and fourth, fifth and sixth and ...(you get it)) game.

 

[Abricomas]

they have psychers?!

Nope, no psykers, they'd all suffer a lot everytime they used magic if that were the case.
I'm like 90% sure that "magic" in this is atmospheric manipulation via a distributed nanomachine network. Either that or it's some Necron "magic" ("Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" type shii)

Actually, the Galactic Human Empire encountered magic before, and even developed a sensor to detect it.
The fact that the same sensor was able to detect magic on Ares (using the most recent scanlator's spelling for the planet that Alan is on), suggests that it's the same bio-energy.
If it was nanites, I think that the nanoms would have detected it.
Also, Alan didn't need anything special to start using magic, just having the concept explained to him when the nanom in Cleria analyzed how she used magic. He still depended on nanom to automate the magic accumulation and circulation for casting spells.

And funny that you mention psykers, since that's the first thing that Alan thought, followed by nanom immediately correcting him, saying that this is all scientifically observed and recorded phenomena.

This was in Chapter 6.

 

[Nomfishus]

Most Likely some law preventing them from preemptive strike.

Highly doubt that, that's too large a restriction for any military, if someone brings an army and siege weapons to your rightfully owned territory without any prior communication and agreement to permit doing so without hostilities then you open fire on them as soon as you get them into a disadvantageous position.
Especially after they literally declared war/intent to purge you which while I'm not entirely sure they did since it's been a while since I read the previous chapters I think they did.

Actually, there's the Imperial Ethics Committee. And while they're far away and a Class 1 Emergency has been declared, Alan has flash-trained flag officer training that likely instilled some moral and ethical standards that he can't go against. He recognized that, and that's why he forbade the usage of that type of Imperial "education" with the children, even though it's more efficient.

As for the woman, I think she might be a native that the Goddess found who has a high compatibility with her control signals/magic circles, and basically force-grew a nanom inside her and uploaded all of the Imperial training and knowledge that the Goddess was able to download from Alan.

I don't think the I.E.C or his flash training forbade using flash training outside of emergencies, rather it seemed that flash training is standard outside of Officer training and other such higher education, after all the Empire is... well an Empire, even if the people think all is swell and good there it's likely festering with classism in reality even if it is hidden behind the war with the bug people, propaganda and the instilled education from flash training.
Rather it seems he personally just didn't enjoy the experience himself and didn't want to force that on children unnecessarily due to his own code of ethics and morality outside of said instilled morality and ethics.

 

[Nomfishus]

Actually, the Galactic Human Empire encountered magic before, and even developed a sensor to detect it.
The fact that the same sensor was able to detect magic on Ares (using the most recent scanlator's spelling for the planet that Alan is on), suggests that it's the same bio-energy.
If it was nanites, I think that the nanoms would have detected it.
Also, Alan didn't need anything special to start using magic, just having the concept explained to him when the nanom in Cleria analyzed how she used magic. He still depended on nanom to automate the magic accumulation and circulation for casting spells.

And funny that you mention psykers, since that's the first thing that Alan thought, followed by nanom immediately correcting him, saying that this is all scientifically observed and recorded phenomena.

This was in Chapter 6.

Psychics and psykers are wholly different things, psychics rely on themselves and no external forces to affect reality (excluding the Protoss and similar entities which can help each other psionically) while psykers are essentially wizards and warlocks that either rely on the weave/warp or beings or beings that have great control over the weave/warp themselves.
EDIT: Btw the Goddess seems to have far greater technological prowess than the Empire, she could just be interfering with the readings and giving false negatives, or the nanomachines are simply far too advanced in comparison to the Nanoms and can passively hide themselves.

 

[Abricomas]

Especially after they literally declared war/intent to purge you which while I'm not entirely sure they did since it's been a while since I read the previous chapters I think they did.

No, they didn't. This was meant to be a surprise attack by Alois/Verta, but Alan and Iris already realized it, and decided to turn the enemy's trap into a trap of their own.

I don't think the I.E.C or his flash training forbade using flash training outside of emergencies, rather it seemed that flash training is standard outside of Officer training and other such higher education, after all the Empire is... well an Empire, even if the people think all is swell and good there it's likely festering with classism in reality even if it is hidden behind the war with the bug people, propaganda and the instilled education from flash training.
Rather it seems he personally just didn't enjoy the experience himself and didn't want to force that on children unnecessarily due to his own code of ethics and morality outside of said instilled morality and ethics.

Alan specified why he doesn't want to use flash training on children in Chapter 45, Pages 10 and 11.
He even says that he doesn't know if his current values are even his own anymore, due to how many times he received "education" since he joined the Army. So not wanting to force "education" on children unnecessarily could, in itself, be a result of Imperial Army "education".

 

[Abricomas]

Psychics and psykers are wholly different things, psychics rely on themselves and no external forces to affect reality (excluding the Protoss and similar entities which can help each other psionically) while psykers are essentially wizards and warlocks that either rely on the weave/warp or beings or beings that have great control over the weave/warp themselves.
EDIT: Btw the Goddess seems to have far greater technological prowess than the Empire, she could just be interfering with the readings and giving false negatives, or the nanomachines are simply far too advanced in comparison to the Nanoms and can passively hide themselves.

That's a distinction if you know Warhammer lore. I've seen people use psychic/psyker interchangeably without regard for the connotations of the two, so I assumed that to be the case here.
The mistake was my fault for making that assumption, if the both of you used "psyker" to imply someone manipulating an outside power, the "magicles" detected by nanom, in this case.

 

[CrazyChuck]

THE PLOT IS SINKING! HIRE THE EMERGANCY WRITERS!!!

 

[dextersTomato]

Goddess luminas is actually an API call to chat gpt

 

[Doomer]

so she's not loyal to the empire and not loyal to her employer, so her main trait is backstabbing, i hope we don't see much more of her after this arc.