Kusunoki-san wa Koukou Debut ni Shippai Shite Iru - Ch. 52.1 - It's not... "just a favor" anymore (First Part)

[ninolover69]

heh

 

[jokerxhisoka]

Moe is the best girl

 

[Kaito57]

Snek Bish actually thinking she's part of the competition...

 

[Asheron]

Snek!! I don't dislike Kusonoki but I dislike her competing for panel space with my queen!

 

[JasonBourne117]

It’s quite astonishing how many people gaslit themselves into believing that Hebikawa is after Keisuke because she genuinely likes him. She doesn’t. She’s only after him because she wants to get to Kusunoki; her worldview simply can’t acknowledge the existence of someone like Kusunoki.

Possible. I personally lean to the theory that while she does genuinely love him/have a crush on him, she is an incredibly sheltered girl with little to terribly bad social skills, thinking that life is literally a romance manga causing her to act like a literal manga character to her crush, unknowingly traumatzing him and driving him away from her, all the while she fully and sincerely believes that she's still ahead of the race and they're nearly an official couple.

That path has a lot more narrative potential and would be quite a interesting examination on the romcom genre.

 

[azudai96]

HebiWins In the ch Bois

HEBIKINGS REJOICE

 

[DaBlackMamba]

Ewwww gross, fuck outta here bitch

 

[UdenEmpati]

Ewwww gross, fuck outta here bitch

What do you have against Otobe???

 

[UdenEmpati]

I'm pretty sure some people actually believe that. I've seen it time and time again in the comments. I get that it's a common trope, but that doesn't really defend her actions. Even if she ends up catching real feelings later, it doesn't change the fact that she started with bad intentions. 'How it's going' doesn't erase 'how it started.' Those are two different things, and the latter still matters. The trope might explain where the story could be heading, but it doesn't justify ignoring what Hebikawa originally tried to do. So I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to argue at this point. Are you saying the malice doesn't matter because the outcome might be cute? Or are you just describing the plot without defending it?

So are you saying she's not allowed to change for the better or gain an improved reputation simply because she did bad shit in the past?

I absolutely would argue Hebikawa won't "win the Keisuke Bowl", nor should she as things stand, but it's not because she was a bad person in the past.

If she puts in the work to change and accepts responsibility for what she did before, there's no reason to eternally persecute her for things she can't undo.

And that sentiment is one that I see all over the forums when it comes to characters with checkered pasts in various series, that I'd argue is actively harmful both as a sentiment in reality and as a means of better one's ability to critically analyze and critique a given written work.

 

[draxdeveloper]

side girls fightings, while main heroine oblivious, lmao

I really have a hard time seeing how the mangaka will change this without being forced, since she doesn't seem to have romantic feelings

 

[Litreara]

So are you saying she's not allowed to change for the better or gain an improved reputation simply because she did bad shit in the past?

I absolutely would argue Hebikawa won't "win the Keisuke Bowl", nor should she as things stand, but it's not because she was a bad person in the past.

If she puts in the work to change and accepts responsibility for what she did before, there's no reason to eternally persecute her for things she can't undo.

And that sentiment is one that I see all over the forums when it comes to characters with checkered pasts in various series, that I'd argue is actively harmful both as a sentiment in reality and as a means of better one's ability to critically analyze and critique a given written work.

I never said she can't change. That is not my point at all. What I actually said is that the change doesn't erase the start. Those are two different things, and the distinction matters. You are acting like I am arguing for eternal punishment, but I am not. I am arguing that origins have weight. You cannot just skip past how something began because you like where it might be heading.

To be clear, I do not think what Hebikawa is doing is that bad. It is just silly. Yes, it comes from ill intent. But her schemes are relatively low stakes. She is not a monster. She is a flawed character acting on a warped worldview. That does not make her irredeemable. It just means we should be honest about what she is doing instead of pretending it was never there.

You are arguing against a position I do not actually hold. I never said Hebikawa should be condemned forever. I never said redemption is impossible. What I said is that readers who pretend the bad intentions never mattered are gaslighting themselves. And that is exactly what I see happening in the comments.

My problem is with readers who romanticize her before she has done any of the work you are describing. You mentioned taking responsibility and putting in the effort to change. Fine. I agree with that in principle. But where is that effort right now? Where is the acceptance of responsibility? It is not there. People are already defending her as if she has already earned forgiveness, when she has not even started earning it.

If she actually takes responsibility later, great. I have no issue with that. A well written redemption arc is a good thing. But that is not what is happening in the comments I am criticizing. What is happening is people ignoring the ill intent entirely, skipping straight to the cute ending, and acting like the setup never mattered. That is my problem. Not redemption. Not change. The refusal to acknowledge where the character began in the first place.

 

[Erebov]

This story really ground to a halt, yet the chapters just keep coming... we know where it's going, just get on with it already, ffs.

 

[WildMalboro]

Ai eu me pergunto como o autor ficou surpreso que a Hebikawa ficou em primeiro lugar na pesquisa de popularidade!!
Ele me cria uma heroína totalmente sem graça e genérica enquanto nossa cobrinha é cheia de personalidade e complexa!!
E tem também a Moe que é determinada mesmo que ainda esteja no estagio tsun tsun... Fora que ela também é um pitelzinho!!
As duas são MUITO melhores que a heroína principal!! Tenho completa consciência que nenhuma das duas vai ficar com o protagonista e que a mais sem graça vai ganhar no final mas... Autor san... pelo menos se esforce mais para deixar ela interessante!!

 

[NerimaShinjuku]

I could go the rest of my life without seeing another Valentine’s chocolate chapter in a romcom

Except

Snek definitely laced her chocolate with something, Keisuke’s gonna be on the toilet for days

 

[chiga-kun]

At this point I'm kinda rooting for moe. Even if I know its not real and isn't even on the table. It's better than snake or miss fumble around for 20 chapters.

those must lost always

 

[chiga-kun]

Ai eu me pergunto como o autor ficou surpreso que a Hebikawa ficou em primeiro lugar na pesquisa de popularidade!!
Ele me cria uma heroína totalmente sem graça e genérica enquanto nossa cobrinha é cheia de personalidade e complexa!!
E tem também a Moe que é determinada mesmo que ainda esteja no estagio tsun tsun... Fora que ela também é um pitelzinho!!
As duas são MUITO melhores que a heroína principal!! Tenho completa consciência que nenhuma das duas vai ficar com o protagonista e que a mais sem graça vai ganhar no final mas... Autor san... pelo menos se esforce mais para deixar ela interessante!!

n achei ela sem graça mas ela é mto fraquinha..ela é tipo o yota nesse anime ai da netflix ice wall

 

[chiga-kun]

I don't care anymore...

Just give Hebikawa the win. She's the only one trying. Regardless of all the stuff prior, I think she should make the move first and it'll probably work itself out in the end.

Because otherwise, we're regressing too much at such a pace we might as well be in a time machine.

bro rent-a shit is there for an eternty and meep selling..all authors will see this as a greem light to do the same

 

[aim_then_heal]

I hated snek during the beginning, but now I'm on her ship, hypocritical? Maybe. But aren't the best characters the ones you hate in the beginning but learn to love in the end? Though in Hebikawa's case it's because she's really the only character with substance in thi manga.

Also may be the title means what it means, that kusunoki is flunking her hs glow-up my fumbling keisuke, and by the end kusunoki will have flunked her hs glow-up. (Copium)

 

[StLL]

Goodluck snek!

 

[Luna-pyon]

As much as I like Kusunoki winning the love battle, I definitely enjoy how uncomplicated Otobe's romantic love for the MC is.