More Amazon Anime and Manga bans. Japan now very worried.

[varrock1]

Jeez, This is toxic sludge. If the character in the story is drawn as a loli then its instantly sus to me, but whatever. However, when they are given an actual age of 15 and under by the author and are shown in sexualized poses/skimpy outfits or in other cases, nude with or without censorship, there isn't much of a moral hill to stand on. This goes for shota too.

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@immortalartisan

with out the bullshit and discriminatory culture

Please elaborate.

 

[immortalartisan]

We have people here actively not wearing masks and getting others to do so too.

They pretend America is the worlds best country and every where else is shit.

And companies are allowed to do this because Americans don’t think Asia is as good as MERIUICA

 

[Yatsuki]

lol no wonder I don't see NGNL novel on Amazon anymore. I was buying from there up until volume 8 and was waiting for some more other books to get published before ordering (shipping fee to my country is insane, especially books)

 

[Mr_Detective]

@varrock1

However, when they are given an actual age of 15 and under by the author and are shown in sexualized poses/skimpy outfits or in other cases, nude with or without censorship, there isn't much of a moral hill to stand on.

Because these are mainly drawn for teenagers as the audience. They get horny easily and this is the stuff that satisfies them. If any old dudes still wanna fap to 2D characters, what can you do, lol? People get triggered over 2D lolis in skimpy outfits, yet schools get in hot water for dress-coding teenage girls. Well, in my opinion, if people are cool with seeing 12-year-old ninja beating each other to death, a 15-year-old in skimpy-ish outfit shouldn't be so triggering. They're both fictional characters anyway. Further than that and we step into hentai territory and I don't even wanna bother looking for morality or decency there.

Last page is another case of an internet moral guardian weeb who feels the need to exert his self-granted superiority over others. Dude believes he's better than everyone else. Either he grows out of it or he doesn't.

Who dug up this thread, anyway...?

 

[ColorfulSoy]

@Mr_Detective
i smell "it'd be like that."

I wish, they realize, something like that is just way too dumb......

because, what age rating is for, right ?
You get warned, like "it's a content for 21+ or 18+ it has blablabla"

edit : i feel like age rating and a warn is just a joke now, considering i have seen so many news regarding this stuff.

 

[Mr_Detective]

@ColorfulSoy Well, people can't be bother to do research or just ignore things they don't like, and they can't think for themselves so they need to beg the government to step in to babysit them. Probably have some authoritarian tendency as well within them.

Watch DBZ gets banned next because people get triggered seeing Freeza pummeling 5-year-old Gohan. XD

 

[varrock1]

@Mr_Detective

First off, don't assume anything about me. It makes you look dumb. Second, my post was strictly in the contents of adults and fictional depictions of children that the authors consider children. Keep it in that context. You went off on a tangent completely irrelevant to my point. Looks like I hit a bit too close to home. But hey, knee jerk is knee jerk so I won't hold it against you if you admit you went off on something other than my point.

 

[GrandLotus]

@varrock1

Don't even bother, my man. Not on this topic, in this community. And I don't mean just this site. There's a massive problem with pedophilia in the entire anime/manga community, but most of them don't see it as pedophilia and never will. And especially don't bother debating it with that particular guy. I mean, just look at what he chose for his avatar/profile picture -- whatever you want to call it.

 

[ColorfulSoy]

@varrock1
it is true that @Mr_Detective isnt in the context, but he's not assuming you about anything, he's just talking about the internet.

was strictly in the contents of adults and fictional depictions of children that the authors consider children.

yes, that is true, and this one

If the character in the story is drawn as a loli then its instantly suspicious to me......

this one always confuse some of the people in the world, since in this god damn earth there's an adult with a kid looking face;

given the actual age to the character

that is actually true, there isn't much of a moral hill to stand on, as you said.

not that important, so tl;dr.
iirc there's an artist with a kid/loli looking drawing to depict the situation he want to, like war, execution, etc...... and his illustration wasn't for a public but for himself.

 

[Mr_Detective]

@varrock1 I wasn't assuming anything about you. Seems like you took my comment in the most negative way possible. If you are referring to this:

Last page is another case of an internet moral guardian weeb who feels the need to exert his self-granted superiority over others. Dude believes he's better than everyone else. Either he grows out of it or he doesn't.

That was not directed toward you.
Instead of responding in a douchebag way you could have asked for clarification. Now this is what I'd say hitting a little close to home.

@GrandLotus

Don't even bother, my man. Not on this topic, in this community. And I don't mean just this site. There's a massive problem with pedophilia in the entire anime/manga community, but most of them don't see it as pedophilia and never will. And especially don't bother debating it with that particular guy. I mean, just look at what he chose for his avatar/profile picture -- whatever you want to call it.

Smartass snowflakes with superior complex like you, I have seen enough on other sites. Just because you accuse someone of being a pedophile doesn't mean they have to be. Who are you and who died and let you set that standard? Don't project your grossness and insecurity onto other people.
I choose my avatar based on what I feel like. Sometimes, I choose a joke avatar because of something we talk about in the General forum. A weeb with an anime avatar making fun of another weeb with an anime avatar is something a weebitch would do.
And if you didn't wanna bother arguing, why even post anything? If you are too much of a wuss to see something like my avatar, let me help you.

 

[GrandLotus]

@Mr_Detective

Lol. Calling blatant pedophilia what it is, is a superiority complex? Ask any adult outside of the anime/manga community about their thoughts on it. Guaranteed 99% of them would classify sexualizing characters that look like elementary school children as pedophilia.

Also, I did not call you a pedophile. I said for him to not bother arguing this topic in general, and then added that it'd be even more advised to not argue it with you. I read your 2 comments above, so it's more than just your avatar. But don't act like our avatars are remotely equal. Revy's like 28, while your gif avatar is of three ~8-10 year olds, with 2 of them licking the other on the cheek. It doesn't make you automatically a pedophile, but with the way that the anime/manga community is, it's not exactly a stretch to assume, just by your avatar, that you're probably not one of the few in the community who sees the sexualization of child characters in anime/manga as pedophilia.

 

[Mr_Detective]

This is fun. I'll look for more loli avatars to weed out the snowflakes. ^w^

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@GrandLotus
So I get where you're coming from. I have friends who aren't chill with the sexualization of underage fictional characters as well. As for me personally, I neither encourage nor condemn it, but I think that freedom of expression and depiction is important.

I'd put it like this:
I despise rape in real life, but I respect people's right to depict rape in fictional settings with fictional characters.
I despise murder in real life, but I respect people's right to depict murder in fictional settings with fictional characters.
I despise pedophilia in real life (like, really despise it), but I respect people's right to depict pedophilia in fictional settings with fictional characters.

 

[GrandLotus]

@bigtiddyoneesan

The problem is how anime/manga does it; casually, like it's completely normal. Well, that, and the sheer amount of it. Because they literally pander to pedophiles. Not all anime/manga, of course. But still a disturbing amount. They sexualize characters that look 8 the same way they do with characters that look 28. Western media, on the other hand, doesn't do that.

 

[GrandLotus]

@bigtiddyoneesan

I don't quite like how I said what I said, lol. The point is, there's a massive difference between depicting pedophilia and using pedophilia as fan-service. Anime and manga treat the sexualization of characters that look like children exactly as they do with characters that look like adults. That's a problem.

 

[ColorfulSoy]

@GrandLotus

Ask any adult outside of the anime/manga community about their thoughts on it. Guaranteed 99% of them would classify sexualizing characters that look like elementary school children as pedophilia.

That is THE PROBLEM bro, that is WHY they banned some LN and Manga, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BOTHER TO SEE THE AGE RATING AND A WARN. They say something like that ((not 99%) (where the hell did you even get that data)) without seeing our perspective as a reader or as a watcher of the work.
AVATAR ????? what the..... do people not realizing that avatar doesnt have any connection to a human behaviour ??

The problem is how anime/manga does it; casually, like it's completely normal. Well, that, and the sheer amount of it. Because they literally pander to pedophiles. Not all anime/manga, of course. But still a disturbing amount. They sexualize characters that look 8 the same way they do with characters that look 28. Western media, on the other hand, doesn't do that.

You realize that manga and anime is a fiction right ?? an Imagination to entertain us, HUMAN.
And once AGAIN THERE IS AN AGE RATING AND A WARN THAT IS INCLUDING A FILM, MANGA, ANIME, or ANYTHING THAT PERFORAMANCING AS IN ART OF AN ACT or NOT.

Anime and manga treat the sexualization of characters that look like children exactly as they do with characters that look like adults. That's a problem.

you basically saying "ha, a design character is not important to the plot whatsoever and what age rating is anyway XD."

 

[GrandLotus]

@ColorfulSoy

*Facepalm*

ThErE iS aN aGe RaTiNg. Yeah, and almost every single one the anime/manga with pedophilia as fan-service is rated PG-13... Not to mention a rating shouldn't fucking matter. Sexualizing child characters purely for the sake of fan-service is fucking disgusting and deplorable.

And you're exactly what I was talking about. It'S nOt PeDoPiLiA bEcAuSe It'S fIcTiOnAl.

Disgusting and pathetic.

 

[ColorfulSoy]

@GrandLotus
Dude, you are literally doesnt know how human work. (actually no one knows)

There is some people in this god damn earth that has a sexual towards something fictional but not in real life, did you not realize that ? every human works differently. They're enjoying what they read and they watch.

also, stop with the insult, that's just show how childish you are towards this convo, lmao.

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@GrandLotus

there's a massive difference between depicting pedophilia and using pedophilia as fan-service.

I understand this. That recent controversial movie on Netflix is a good example of this; it displayed 11-year-old girls in a hyper-sexualized manner, which isn't alright. But the very reason it's not alright is because it contains real people, making it borderline CP.

There's also the argument that "depictions of [X] will lead to [X] occurring more in real life", but that's simply not true. Extreme violence in video games doesn't lead to increased crime rates. The widespread popularity of incest porn doesn't lead to an increase in incest. And the sexualization of prepubescent cartoon characters doesn't increase the sexualization of real-life kids.

'Gateway drugs' do exist of course, but when it comes to people searching online for their fantasies/curiosities, the vast, vast majority of those people know where to draw the line between fiction and reality.

Outlets for potentially harmful fantasies and behaviors are important. Banning this will do more harm than it will good.

_{If @Tamerlane were here, he might explain it better.}