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this shit's beyond creepy and misogynistic and i cant believe the author is a girl.
de-pornify a doujin character and still slide into a series of porn tropes and cheap tricks?
the "i can fix her" is fucking rich coming from what's been drawn on her before. fix urself, artist. at very least, use a separate username for the two different directions you want your art to go to...
 
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In descending order, there’s Keikenzumi, then the really questionable ones like Meguro-san. And then there’s this.
Holy shit bro. How bad does Meguro-san have to be if it's worse than Keikenzumi?!
this shit's beyond creepy and misogynistic and i cant believe the author is a girl.
de-pornify a doujin character and still slide into a series of porn tropes and cheap tricks?
the "i can fix her" is fucking rich coming from what's been drawn on her before. fix urself, artist. at very least, use a separate username for the two different directions you want your art to go to...
What business does a man have accusing a woman of misogyny? It sounds like you're dealing with your own internalized prejudices if you think you can dictate what is and isn't acceptable for an Asian woman to write. This kind of purity policing by men is exactly the reason woman have to much trouble succeeding in the modern world. If a woman's story isn't consummately pure, suddenly every man in the room thinks he can shame the author for daring to deconstruct modern expectations of how women should be depicted in media.

Her perspective as an Asian woman adds layers to the narrative that don't fit neatly into conventional Western expectations of purity and representation. This kind of response contributes to the challenges women face in creative industries, where their work is often scrutinized more harshly. We shouldn't be imposing a double standard where women are expected to conform to a higher moral standard in their storytelling.
 
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Holy shit bro. How bad does Meguro-san have to be if it's worse than Keikenzumi?!
Oh boy, you have not seen Meguro-san?

To put it in perspective. Neither Keikenzumi nor Kusobitch has made me as mad as Meguro-san ever has reading it.

I think the author legitimately, no bullshit, has a mental disorder and it leaks through their writing.

Good way to get your blood pumping, and lose brain cells in the process.
 
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Oh boy, you have not seen Meguro-san?

To put it in perspective. Neither Keikenzumi nor Kusobitch has made me as mad as Meguro-san ever has reading it.

I think the author legitimately, no bullshit, has a mental disorder and it leaks through their writing.

Good way to get your blood pumping, and lose brain cells in the process.
Please. Just share one single infuriating thing. I need to get a taste before my curiosity forces me to read it.
 
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Please. Just share one single infuriating thing. I need to get a taste before my curiosity forces me to read it.
Well, the main story is about a former town bike girl who slept with every guy who as much as looked at her.

She is also a emotionless style character.

Then she meets the virgin MC, and starts dating him.

Through the story we find out that she was groomed into being a slut by a former teacher, who told her that opening your legs to guys for quick sex is A-OK and the normal thing to do.

The story itself is mostly typical fluff romance, rarely ever talking about her past.


Then in the last arc, her former groomer reappears.

It is revealed the FMC is actually thankful to her groomer teacher for the lessons, not at all thinking it was bad in anyway.

What does the MC do? He willingly offers her to go study with her former groomer alone in a room. For her studies. He does this with the most wholesome smile.

The groomer even mocks him saying he will have to charge extra to be in a room alone with the FMC.

MC:"Yeah sure, here have my GF that you groomed to become a cock sleave, we cool, I know nothing will happen cause we're friends"

After that study session, the FMC breaks up with the MC so she doesn't get distracted in her studies with her ex groomer teacher.

This is where the latest tl chap left off.

The story ended already in 2 chaps still in raw with them just getting back together.

The groomer is never confronted about his actions, he instead gets a whole chap of him justifying his actions.

The author apparently does not think anything is wrong with any of this, as if they legit did not even notice what they wrote. Which is what pisses off many readers.

Author writes like an autist who never talked to anyone in their life. And knows nothing of believable human relations.



Ok that was my half-assed attempt at TLDRing it.
 
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Well, the main story is about a former town bike girl who slept with every guy who as much as looked at her.

She is also a emotionless style character.

Then she meets the virgin MC, and starts dating him.

Through the story we find out that she was groomed into being a slut by a former teacher, who told her that opening your legs to guys for quick sex is A-OK and the normal thing to do.

The story itself is mostly typical fluff romance, rarely ever talking about her past.


Then in the last arc, her former groomer reappears.

It is revealed the FMC is actually thankful to her groomer teacher for the lessons, not at all thinking it was bad in anyway.

What does the MC do? He willingly offers her to go study with her former groomer alone in a room. For her studies. He does this with the most wholesome smile.

The groomer even mocks him saying he will have to charge extra to be in a room alone with the FMC.

MC:"Yeah sure, here have my GF that you groomed to become a cock sleave, we cool, I know nothing will happen cause we're friends"

After that study session, the FMC breaks up with the MC so she doesn't get distracted in her studies with her ex groomer teacher.

This is where the latest tl chap left off.

The story ended already in 2 chaps still in raw with them just getting back together.

The groomer is never confronted about his actions, he instead gets a whole chap of him justifying his actions.

The author apparently does not think anything is wrong with any of this, as if they legit did not even notice what they wrote. Which is what pisses off many readers.

Author writes like an autist who never talked to anyone in their life. And knows nothing of believable human relations.



Ok that was my half-assed attempt at TLDRing it.
:questionblob:

So MC is a cuck simp at the start, and stays a cuck simp until the end?
 
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Holy shit bro. How bad does Meguro-san have to be if it's worse than Keikenzumi?!
Meguro-san can only be described as the cheap knock off version of Gosaiji’s Amai Aimai series.

You know it’s that bad when a doujin circle artist can write a better plot than a properly serialized mangaka

It would be like as if Amai Aimai was given a serialisation and had the same editorial controls as Cheeky Gyaru. :02:
 
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Meguro-san can only be described as the cheap knock off version of Gosaji’s Amai Amai series.

You know it’s that bad when a doujin circle artist can write a better plot than a properly serialized mangaka

It would be like as if Amai Amai was given a serialisation and had the same editorial controls as Cheeky Gyaru. :02:
So... better?
 
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There’s better quality writing out there. https://mangadex.org/title/dca4faff...to-my-hometown-my-childhood-friend-was-broken actually has the deed happened, but is able to get the plot to flow properly, explore the theme properly and is one of the better ones.

In descending order, there’s Keikenzumi, then the really questionable ones like Meguro-san. And then there’s this.
In the case of Zyugoya's works, his heroines who've been wounded by past experiences come off completely different and much more palatable compared to this story. They're far from erratic or untrustworthy, and they don't moronically seek out more of the sorts of experiences that hurt them out of some sort of masochistic self-hatred in the first place, even though they're also submissive girls who tend to blame themselves for things that aren't their own fault. By the same token, his male leads are upstanding beefcakes. They're good, uplifting stories about people who deserve to be happy.

That doesn't necessarily mean darker stories are bad, but in this case, while I think the creepy yandere brother who wants his sister for himself is a good concept, the heroine's delivery is plagued by mixed messaging. She was blackmailed and coerced, but she's also getting off on it; she's constantly allowing herself to be used, but that's probably because she hates herself and thinks she deserves it; the one person who might love and protect her also wants her for her body too. That's the sort of ambivalent feeling I'd guess Egaki is going for, but the sister is such an unexplored and otherwise terrible person it's hard to care about her. This disconnect is exacerbated by the serialization and the FB taking different routes but still ultimately portraying the same scenario, and the drama and the smut logic don't mix. The sister in the FB is the same character as the sister in the serialization, so since her ugly fundamental nature isn't different, it begs the question of whether she's even worth saving.

You might say that Zyugoya's works are more idealized than Egaki's in the sense that the girls act like victims are "supposed" to rather than unstable thots, but man, it's a bleak world we live in when idealization means a victim rolls up into a ball and hides away from the world rather than goes out and gets ran through by a billion dicks.
 
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That doesn't necessarily mean darker stories are bad, but in this case, while I think the creepy yandere brother who wants his sister for himself is a good concept, the heroine's delivery is plagued by mixed messaging. She was blackmailed and coerced, but she's also getting off on it; she's constantly allowing herself to be used, but that's probably because she hates herself and thinks she deserves it; the one person who might love and protect her also wants her for her body too. That's the sort of ambivalent feeling I'd guess Egaki is going for, but the sister is such an unexplored and otherwise terrible person it's hard to care about her. This disconnect is exacerbated by the serialization and the FB taking different routes but still ultimately portraying the same scenario, and the drama and the smut logic don't mix. The sister in the FB is the same character as the sister in the serialization, so since her ugly fundamental nature isn't different, it begs the question of whether she's even worth saving.
I think you're mixing up a lot of the different versions of the story. First version she was just a normal slut. Bro was trying to make her "understand" what "Good sex" is like.

Second version has her be an inconsistent mess who starts off shy and meek until the sex starts, where she then flips a switch and loves every second of it with the fervor of an unhinged sex addict. This is entirely consensual on her part. From this version on, bro isn't after her body. In fact, bro's sexual interest in her completely evaporates, and we only see him care for her as a sister.

The serialization has her not even know these people, and actually make an effort to remove herself from a bad situation.

As for the FB, I took it to be a "I'm not happy about the being blackmailed into this, but also I'm literally incapable of not having an orgasm after you've gone well out of your way to make sure I do"-type thing.
 
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That doesn't necessarily mean darker stories are bad, but in this case, while I think the creepy yandere brother who wants his sister for himself is a good concept, the heroine's delivery is plagued by mixed messaging. She was blackmailed and coerced, but she's also getting off on it; she's constantly allowing herself to be used, but that's probably because she hates herself and thinks she deserves it; the one person who might love and protect her also wants her for her body too. That's the sort of ambivalent feeling I'd guess Egaki is going for, but the sister is such an unexplored and otherwise terrible person it's hard to care about her. This disconnect is exacerbated by the serialization and the FB taking different routes but still ultimately portraying the same scenario, and the drama and the smut logic don't mix. The sister in the FB is the same character as the sister in the serialization, so since her ugly fundamental nature isn't different, it begs the question of whether she's even worth saving.

You might say that Zyugoya's works are more idealized than Egaki's in the sense that the girls act like victims are "supposed" to rather than unstable thots, but man, it's a bleak world we live in when idealization means a victim rolls up into a ball and hides away from the world rather than goes out and gets ran through by a billion dicks.
Characters with a moral degeneration tag attached are far more difficult to deal with when writing plots. The usual tropes goes that the first round the character loathes it, and then grows addicted to it in the end of that storyline and can no longer stop. Most doujins usually end the story there and for good reason.

”I can fix her” stories means also trying to fix that addiction, though I doubt the probability of success. The level of difficult is up there with trying to fix someones drug addiction. And dealing with fixing someone’s “moral degeneration” theme in a shoddy way just makes the work leave a very poor taste in the mouth of audiences, especially if the author used a simp MC.

It does not help that one version has the moral degeneration, and the other doesn’t, and expecting the same solution by MC to work both ways. The author clearly tore off much more than they can chew and should have chose something easier to write.
 
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It does not help that one version has the moral degeneration, and the other doesn’t, and expecting the same solution by MC to work both ways. The author clearly tore off much more than they can chew and should have chose something easier to write.
There is no "Moral degradation". We have no sign that she was ever anything other than a whore in the first two versions. If there was going to be moral degradation, it was in this version, where she's taken active steps not to be touched by the (now) strangers.
 
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Holy shit bro. How bad does Meguro-san have to be if it's worse than Keikenzumi?!

What business does a man have accusing a woman of misogyny? It sounds like you're dealing with your own internalized prejudices if you think you can dictate what is and isn't acceptable for an Asian woman to write. This kind of purity policing by men is exactly the reason woman have to much trouble succeeding in the modern world. If a woman's story isn't consummately pure, suddenly every man in the room thinks he can shame the author for daring to deconstruct modern expectations of how women should be depicted in media.

Her perspective as an Asian woman adds layers to the narrative that don't fit neatly into conventional Western expectations of purity and representation. This kind of response contributes to the challenges women face in creative industries, where their work is often scrutinized more harshly. We shouldn't be imposing a double standard where women are expected to conform to a higher moral standard in their storytelling.
let's start that with a very clear sentence. women can be mysoginistic, just as men can be misandric. not to mix with homophobia, but both can be applied together to certain subjects.

ie: the tradwife movement, which promotes a vision of feminity through the cage of the nuclear, heterosexual familly where the woman works the home, for free, folding to the man's leisure.
Say you have some gay/feminist militants in your fam or friends and you'll have a very colorful conversation subject to discuss about.

Very recenty my gran got separed from gramps because he has alzheimer's disease.
Then she opened about her life in the 70's and an illegal abortion she had somewhere then, the following years of depression and a suicide attempt, which was then covered as a sickness by gramps, medical staff and herself.

Such a scenario isnt rare and i've met multiple women who did have to go through this and there will be more.

Conservative women who lobby against abortion and religious types who endorse certain extreme forms of patriachy, like infibulation (dont ever google image this!!!) and full body veils, to control women's appearance, life and behaviour through traditions are mysoginitic by intent...

If you've ever dug up testimonies of closeted violence, you would learn that a lot of people who are raised in violence, might tend to perpetuate violence later, on other people including their offspring, and that violence skews their understanding of where care turns to abuse, creating vicious circles lasting decades.

Hence the problem i have with "i can fix her" types of fantasies, which often skid into stalking, sis-brocon/neto cancer (as in this manga) and gaslighting.
Let's imagine that the author is young and her understanding of sex is through pornography and abuse... then she'll struggle to understand why people cratered her doujin for drawing it this way and god knows what kind of abuse she'll been sent for it.

The whole genre is way into the creep valley. If there's known routes to "fix" her, ie doctors, therapies and shrinks, why not document and draw that? oh there actually is? yup.

i've seen stories who explore the abuses in medical history, like treating militantism as hysteria, shock therapy against autism (that form of torture was only banned recently!!) and more... these subjects could be interresting to cover as underground mangas and comics. With the violence and all.
 
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let's start that with a very clear sentence. women can be mysoginistic, just as men can be misandric. not to mix with homophobia, but both can be applied together to certain subjects.

ie: the tradwife movement, which promotes a vision of feminity through the cage of the nuclear, heterosexual familly where the woman works the home, for free, folding to the man's leisure.
Say you have some gay/feminist militants in your fam or friends and you'll have a very colorful conversation subject to discuss about.

Very recenty my gran got separed from gramps because he has alzheimer's disease.
Then she opened about her life in the 70's and an illegal abortion she had somewhere then, the following years of depression and a suicide attempt, which was then covered as a sickness by gramps, medical staff and herself.

Such a scenario isnt rare and i've met multiple women who did have to go through this and there will be more.

Conservative women who lobby against abortion and religious types who endorse certain extreme forms of patriachy, like infibulation (dont ever google image this!!!) and full body veils, to control women's appearance, life and behaviour through traditions are mysoginitic by intent...

If you've ever dug up testimonies of closeted violence, you would learn that a lot of people who are raised in violence, might tend to perpetuate violence later, on other people including their offspring, and that violence skews their understanding of where care turns to abuse, creating vicious circles lasting decades.

Hence the problem i have with "i can fix her" types of fantasies, which often skid into stalking, sis-brocon/neto cancer (as in this manga) and gaslighting.
Let's imagine that the author is young and her understanding of sex is through pornography and abuse... then she'll struggle to understand why people cratered her doujin for drawing it this way and god knows what kind of abuse she'll been sent for it.

The whole genre is way into the creep valley. If there's known routes to "fix" her, ie doctors, therapies and shrinks, why not document and draw that? oh there actually is? yup.

i've seen stories who explore the abuses in medical history, like treating militantism as hysteria, shock therapy against autism (that form of torture was only banned recently!!) and more... these subjects could be interresting to cover as underground mangas and comics. With the violence and all.
I'm not reading all of that.
 
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Hence the problem i have with "i can fix her" types of fantasies, which often skid into stalking, sis-brocon/neto cancer (as in this manga) and gaslighting.
Let's imagine that the author is young and her understanding of sex is through pornography and abuse... then she'll struggle to understand why people cratered her doujin for drawing it this way and god knows what kind of abuse she'll been sent for it.
That pretty much explains a good half of America right now. It applies to any characters in manga as well. If their childhood is nightmare fuel, then their worldview is going to be seriously skewed. Two characters I can think of is the MCs from Grisaia and Ore ni Trauma.

On another philosophical note since so many manga MCs get to keep their memories and shit. God has a darn good reason to wipe memories at birth. Knowledge from memory may be good but managing Trauma is a real pain in the ass.
 

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