Nihonkoku Shoukan - Vol. 11 Ch. 52 - The Grade Atlastar

[rudezki]

Why are the British on the helm of Yamato?

 

[lazymk]

dang, are we going to see a modern destroyer vs a ww2 battleship?

 

[brykanst]

im so lost... like the writer just added a whole different isekai with 0 explanation or lead up to it

 

[Amariithynar]

Japan doesn't have TASMs, only anti-ship missiles, and those wouldn't be enough to pen the armor of the ship.
It will be sunk by one of the subs most likely there is no ship in the world that can withstand a modern keel breaking torpedo.
Also Japan has DDGs, not CGs.
The JASDF will likely run into munition issues very soon.

Munition production was one of the first things they started doing when they realized they were in a new world, with supply chains from the nearby continental kingdoms for raw materials. They're going to be fine.

 

[sassinos]

Um, when did Japan resurrect the Yamato from WWII with 18 inch guns?

1974.

 

[killerkubskn]

Japan doesn't have TASMs, only anti-ship missiles, and those wouldn't be enough to pen the armor of the ship.
It will be sunk by one of the subs most likely there is no ship in the world that can withstand a modern keel breaking torpedo.
Also Japan has DDGs, not CGs.
The JASDF will likely run into munition issues very soon.

If you remember just the Parpaldia Empire case. You should remember that Japan invest in many arm development.

Spoiler: Spoil GVE

And will be to the point that they'll build armada of aircraft carrier and battleship that using rail gun after capturing Yamato looking ship name Grade Atlastar. Also invest in development in nuclear arsenal

 

[IronMace1990]

dang, are we going to see a modern destroyer vs a ww2 battleship?

Yes

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[vergotear]

im so lost... like the writer just added a whole different isekai with 0 explanation or lead up to it

No lead up or explanation?
They were already mentioned a few times before.

For example when they introduce the Mu and Myrrus, when asking if the Japanese diplomats were Gra Valkans. Chapter 28 page 5. https://mangadex.org/chapter/0e5d15cb-f060-4622-b080-5a9aac6f1ca6/5

Another time is during the Myrishials News cast. Chapter 36 page 9. When they mention the Gra Valkas were requesting to join the conference of the Elite Eleven https://mangadex.org/chapter/ffacdc39-f251-44af-a350-918de2d612f4/9

And even in the previous chapter's last page was the lead up to this.

In this Chapter their conquest of Leifor is technically a flashback and introduction of the Gra Valka proper and their military power to the world. Chronologically what happens in this chapter happens before the above mention by the Mu and Myrishials in those chapters, otherwise no superpower from the 1st or 2nd area would pay any attention to a nobody "uncivilized barbarian" nation like how the Leiforians showed their disdain in this chapter.

For those who only read the manga, after this chapter reveal of the Gra Valkans. Looking back at the little interactions in the Mu and Myrishial chapters they make even more sense now. With the Gra Valkans shown to have a Yamato Class battleship in hindsight, the Mus having some diplomats from an emerging country visit them in a ship that's bigger than their own dreadnought and advanced machinery, they'd of course ask if they're the Gra Valkans and the reaction of the Mu officers show that they were already infamous at that point. The Myrishials, the top civilization, noting that the Gra Valkans, a nobody emerging country, asking to join the conference of "Elite Eleven" pfffft, who do they think they're? Oh wait at that point they destroyed Leifor already.

 

[panneqaha]

WW2 battleships are a tough thing to sink, even for modern navies. I think a lot of people underestimate both just how armoured they are (modern naval ships have paper for armour by comparison), and how big their guns are. An Iowa-class battleship had 9 16-inch guns and 20 5-inch guns, by comparison, an Arleigh Burke class destroyer has a single 5-inch gun. Lacking modern fire control and targeting radar hurts the WW2 ships accuracy a lot, but even a near miss can cause problems for the target.

That said, anti-ship missiles will very easily reach out and touch the battleship, even with all the anti-air guns they have. Buuut on the other hand, anti-ship missiles tend to have warheads in the ~500 pound range, and WW2 era battleships tanked hits from 14 to 18-inch guns, and 1000 pound bombs without sinking. Mission killing one wouldn't be hard, but sinking one is. It's one fight where I'd probably want a Kirov instead of a Burke or Tico, since their anti-ship missiles have ~1500 pound warheads instead of ~500 pounds (they were designed to be carrier killers, and afaik modern supercarriers are even harder to sink than WW2 battleships).

Personally I think I'd want to avoid ship-on-ship battles and hit them with torpedoes and bombs. Modern heavy torpedoes pack a bigger punch, and are much more capable than, WW2 torpedoes. Ditto with laser-guided bombs dropped from well outside the battleships AA envelope. (I was going to say JDAM's, but they rely on GPS, and I'm not sure if they're good vs moving targets).

 

[seekermoc]

I'm torn on whether I still like this series. Granted, there are some good parts. But in the end, it's just "I have no idea who they are, so they must be weaker than us, so we'll wreck those barbarians" followed immediately with them getting wrecked by said "barbarians."

Then rinse and repeat.

 

[Kikeemu]

Thanks for the meal.

 

[panzerkampfwagyu]

I guess these randomly appeared new foes are supposed to be an egowank/cope about GRORIOUS NIPPON defeating europeans again, this time WW1/1 edition.

 

[aramil31]

Japan doesn't have TASMs, only anti-ship missiles, and those wouldn't be enough to pen the armor of the ship.
It will be sunk by one of the subs most likely there is no ship in the world that can withstand a modern keel breaking torpedo.
Also Japan has DDGs, not CGs.
The JASDF will likely run into munition issues very soon.

An ASM would absolutely kill a WWII-era battleship. It's not a requirement for the ASM to hit and penetrate the main belt, there's plenty of spots with a lot less armor that can be precisely hit with guided munitions. You might not put a big hole in the side to sink it that way, but you can certainly toss a couple ASMs into the towers, or through the upper decks and recreate the fate of the U.S.S Arizona.

It's kind of the thing when naval combat entered the missile era, getting hit isn't a role of the dice where armor alone is sufficient anymore. The only real way to survive the ASM is to not get hit in the first place, so ship protection methods had to shift away from thick armor (because you simply can't armor everything important to the same degree, and missile could still beat it regardless) to instead focus on missile interception and trying to find and shoot at the other fleet before they find you first.

 

[kaminomikan]

so another nation was summoned?

 

[IronMace1990]

WW2 battleships are a tough thing to sink, even for modern navies. I think a lot of people underestimate both just how armoured they are (modern naval ships have paper for armour by comparison), and how big their guns are. An Iowa-class battleship had 9 16-inch guns and 20 5-inch guns, by comparison, an Arleigh Burke class destroyer has a single 5-inch gun. Lacking modern fire control and targeting radar hurts the WW2 ships accuracy a lot, but even a near miss can cause problems for the target.

That said, anti-ship missiles will very easily reach out and touch the battleship, even with all the anti-air guns they have. Buuut on the other hand, anti-ship missiles tend to have warheads in the ~500 pound range, and WW2 era battleships tanked hits from 14 to 18-inch guns, and 1000 pound bombs without sinking. Mission killing one wouldn't be hard, but sinking one is. It's one fight where I'd probably want a Kirov instead of a Burke or Tico, since their anti-ship missiles have ~1500 pound warheads instead of ~500 pounds (they were designed to be carrier killers, and afaik modern supercarriers are even harder to sink than WW2 battleships).

Personally I think I'd want to avoid ship-on-ship battles and hit them with torpedoes and bombs. Modern heavy torpedoes pack a bigger punch, and are much more capable than, WW2 torpedoes. Ditto with laser-guided bombs dropped from well outside the battleships AA envelope. (I was going to say JDAM's, but they rely on GPS, and I'm not sure if they're good vs moving targets).

Spoiler: Well...

Japan managed to destroy GA's bridge, the remaining turrets, etc. Before the duel against the JMSDF 4th Flotilla started, the main turret 1 was already destroyed by an SSM. After 6 SSMs and 235 shots from 76mm and 127mm naval guns, GA turned into a huge hunk of metal, coal and ash and towed to Kure, Hiroshima. The remaining crews were captured as POWs

 

[SchultzD]

British Yamato? What a blasphemy.

 

[MangaMeka]

Everyone keeps saying they're the british from WW2 with the german mindset coming before the start of WW1 but honestly its more they're german mainly with some british aesthetics throw in for cool factor. But what do I know ? I really only read summon america, the alt what if of this series premise "japan got summon to another world".

 

[IronMace1990]

It will still be one-sided slaughter.

That battleship cannot hold a hand to modern cruiser that can snipe it from much greater range with cruise missile.

In terms of infantry and tanks... JSDF as small as it is an elite force and can easily overwhelm WW2 era infantry and armor.

Air force... No contest. Even if they have Me-262 like tech they must go agaisnt modern jets which is suicide.

And I imagine that Japan in that world would work with other Kingdoms and adopt the use of magic for ease of convenience (healing for example) and that will only give them even more of an edge.

Spoiler: Hmmm...

That happened actually. Japanese doctors were employed after the Great Naval Battle of Baltica. Healers from other countries working with Japanese doctors, with assessments that healed soldiers must rest for awhile before returning combat

 

[BrotherCoa]

I'm torn on whether I still like this series. Granted, there are some good parts. But in the end, it's just "I have no idea who they are, so they must be weaker than us, so we'll wreck those barbarians" followed immediately with them getting wrecked by said "barbarians."

Then rinse and repeat.

You can say that again.

I can understand sheer arrogance since Japan did appear in area 1 that has mediveal to 19th century technology. But so far only Mu were actually smart enough to send delegates first to scout the situation.

You would assume that all these empires would first send scout parties to analyze the enemy, not march right into their deaths.

 

[IronMace1990]

You can say that again.

I can understand sheer arrogance since Japan did appear in area 1 that has mediveal to 19th century technology. But so far only Mu were actually smart enough to send delegates first to scout the situation.

You would assume that all these empires would first send scout parties to analyze the enemy, not march right into their deaths.

I assume this would happen on the next chapters

Spoiler: For the next chapters

Ch. 53 - HME visit to Japan
Ch. 54 - Events before the Conference of the Elite Eleven (More GVE stuff, showcase of ships of the delegates, first encounter of Japan and Annonrial Empire, etc.)
Ch. 55 - Start of the conference, with the chapter ending Gra Valkas declaring war against the New World