Risou no Himo Seikatsu - Vol. 19 Ch. 78 - Their own work

[HailBritannia_]

I usually dont comment but... it's so weird when fake country fantasy language is a real language you speak...
All hail fantasy Poland!
Let us all go to fantasy żabka, buy a beer and celebrate.

well I can fully understand you, Lucrezia comes from Italy lol

 

[finalm]

A reverend called Jan who has the church in an uproar? Oh sweet summer child MC... you're about to find out how much you don't want any of that.

 

[finalm]

Gunpowder in general has a relatively unique scent. However, I don't know how he could actually smell it off of a man that clearly did not shoot or explode anything for at least a while. It would have been heard.

The smell of burnt black powder (especially the historical variety, just look up what it was made of) stuck to you well past burning it and did not come out easily.

 

[finalm]

The current issues are social-based, not religion-based.

The push to restrict citizen's rights and even criminalize some and persecute certain minorities are directly based on religious belief, something even it's architects freely admit to. Not to mention, support for all of that is openly gathered in churches, during mass. If you consider all that "not religion-based" then fine, but most would say it's a strange hill to die on.

 

[Wizardrone]

He probably doesn't know how to make it. And even if he did... Do you really wanna bring gunpowder of all things to another world?

since it was mentioned and if yan is carrying it in himself then yes gunpowder and fireweapons productions may come.

thanks for chapter!

 

[Miserys_End]

I'm more surprised he didn't bring any documentation of gunpowder (or industrial production methods like lathes/precision measuring tools) from our world when he got summoned the second time.

@NotSomeone
@kikix12

Gun powder is dead simple to make from relitively common ingredients.

And it's not like the reaction can't be mimicked in half a dozen ways with magic. So it's something that only becomes relevant if the transmigrator lacks magical ability and needs to fight or if the natives have cooked up gunpowder of their own.

Now that MC has become aware of the issue, he can work to mitigate the excesses of firearms and artillery.

 

[BlackAeronaut]

Mind your own business instead of prying into another country's affairs challenge..

IMPOSSIBLE.

Kinda hard when their problems arrive on your metaphorical doorstep.

 

[AnonymousContributor]

I was hoping he had smelled meth before it was revealed to be gunpowder

very distinctiv smell tbh

 

[AnonymousContributor]

@NotSomeone
@kikix12

Gun powder is dead simple to make from relitively common ingredients.

And it's not like the reaction can't be mimicked in half a dozen ways with magic. So it's something that only becomes relevant if the transmigrator lacks magical ability and needs to fight or if the natives have cooked up gunpowder of their own.

Now that MC has become aware of the issue, he can work to mitigate the excesses of firearms and artillery.

i wonder how fast firearms will go from primitive things you have to jam powder that take millions of years to reload to machine guns (but m a g i c a l)

 

[tonie]

i wonder how fast firearms will go from primitive things you have to jam powder that take millions of years to reload to machine guns (but m a g i c a l)

Depends how fast the conflict will be approaching

 

[BlackAeronaut]

Do you really wanna bring gunpowder of all things to another world?

Short answer: YES.

Explanation: Firearms technology isn't one of those maybe-maybe-maybe things. It's a matter of When and not If. And we've seen so far that while magic is a thing here, most of their fighting is done the good old fashioned way: with swords and wooden shields.

And so this would be the crux of the matter: when some other country gets the jump on you and invades you with musketeer corps, do you wanna be fighting them with swords and shields? Or do you wanna be fighting them with the lever-action rifles you cooked up in secret?

(Also, before anyone says anything, Puyol strikes me as a reasonable enough person to keep that as a break-glass-incase-of-emergency thing. He is his own sort of statesman, understanding the importance of warfare - that it must be waged strictly as needed, not even as a fait accompli - and that senseless conquest and subjugation just leads to bigger problems later on down the line. We've already seen this where he corrected one of his subordinates about an officer's responsibility for the actions of his men, meaning that he knows full-well that a person's actions has consequences.)

 

[BlackAeronaut]

i wonder how fast firearms will go from primitive things you have to jam powder that take millions of years to reload to machine guns (but m a g i c a l)

The interesting thing about semiautomatic and automatic firearms is that their mechanisms are (usually) unbelievably simple. At least, that is the case for the guns that have been around since our grandparent's grandparents were in diapers. They fit together like a jigsaw puzzle, and you rarely find things like screws because they can be worked loose from the gun being fired.

In essence, "modern" firearms technology developed mostly from ingenious people who were able to create something that looks like a mind-teaser puzzle in reverse.

The real determining factor, though, is access to precision tools and high-grade steel. And that's kind of dependent on a little something called an Industrial Revolution.

 

[Miserys_End]

The real determining factor, though, is access to precision tools and high-grade steel. And that's kind of dependent on a little something called an Industrial Revolution.

Yes and no. While i do agree with most of what you said, i dont really think they need to industrialize for firearms to reach modern standards.

True if you need or want the common man to be part of your production line, precision tooling and the craftsmen to run them is a must. But you can just get a metal aspected mage to form your parts as if it was putty, much of that work flow becomes redundant. All you need is a few forms, jigs and a mage capable of molding metal, or other durable materials like stone, bone, or wood. After all we only use steel because it offers the greatest durability to weight and cost.

 

[AnonymousContributor]

The interesting thing about semiautomatic and automatic firearms is that their mechanisms are (usually) unbelievably simple. At least, that is the case for the guns that have been around since our grandparent's grandparents were in diapers. They fit together like a jigsaw puzzle, and you rarely find things like screws because they can be worked loose from the gun being fired.

In essence, "modern" firearms technology developed mostly from ingenious people who were able to create something that looks like a mind-teaser puzzle in reverse.

The real determining factor, though, is access to precision tools and high-grade steel. And that's kind of dependent on a little something called an Industrial Revolution.

I guess warfare will be like the late medieval weapons with swords still being a thing but guns are like extra fancy premium bows that pack more oomph. Let's hope that Zenjirou knows about this thing called rifling.

 

[ismaelh]

Everyone talking about guns and Im here wondering about the "forced to comfort herself" in the ship part

 

[NotSomeone]

Short answer: YES.

Explanation: Firearms technology isn't one of those maybe-maybe-maybe things. It's a matter of When and not If. And we've seen so far that while magic is a thing here, most of their fighting is done the good old fashioned way: with swords and wooden shields.

And so this would be the crux of the matter: when some other country gets the jump on you and invades you with musketeer corps, do you wanna be fighting them with swords and shields? Or do you wanna be fighting them with the lever-action rifles you cooked up in secret?

(Also, before anyone says anything, Puyol strikes me as a reasonable enough person to keep that as a break-glass-incase-of-emergency thing. He is his own sort of statesman, understanding the importance of warfare - that it must be waged strictly as needed, not even as a fait accompli - and that senseless conquest and subjugation just leads to bigger problems later on down the line. We've already seen this where he corrected one of his subordinates about an officer's responsibility for the actions of his men, meaning that he knows full-well that a person's actions has consequences.)

Zenjirou is not a warmonger, in fact, most people are not. Let's say you bring gunpowder into this world and you see your creation being used to slaughter thousands, how would that make you feel?
Also, you wouldn't cook lever actions in secret, those require way more industrial capabilities than any kingdom so far has shown.

I guess warfare will be like the late medieval weapons with swords still being a thing but guns are like extra fancy premium bows that pack more oomph. Let's hope that Zenjirou knows about this thing called rifling.

Firearms have existed since 10th century in China. In the 14th and 15th centuries, small portable cannons were common, they didn't have rifling. In fact, rifling is a relatively recent development in the history of firearms.

@NotSomeone
@kikix12

Gun powder is dead simple to make from relitively common ingredients.

And it's not like the reaction can't be mimicked in half a dozen ways with magic. So it's something that only becomes relevant if the transmigrator lacks magical ability and needs to fight or if the natives have cooked up gunpowder of their own.

Now that MC has become aware of the issue, he can work to mitigate the excesses of firearms and artillery.

Gunpowder probably wasn't created in the South because people down there can blow each other up with magic if they wanted.
The North is said to be technologically advanced, while the South relies on Magic for most stuff.
Gunpowder could be a recent discovery in the Northern continent, the fact that the Princess's ship doesn't have cannons is indicative. My guess is that the Church in the North is working on things like gunpowder precisely to invade the South without getting ratio'd by magic.

 

[Miserys_End]

Also, you wouldn't cook lever actions in secret, those require way more industrial capabilities than any kingdom so far has shown.

O . o
Why wouldn't the southern nations develop any firearm advancements in secret? Seems awfully silly to annonce that they have weapons more advanced then them before introducing them to a more accurate weapon with agreater sustained fire and wiping out their new military unit.

They also wouldn't need industrial levels of manufacturing to outfit military units to do so either. They just spent the last few chapters teasing magic tool that can mass produce magic tools.

How much easier do you think it would be to instead have a similar tool pump out rifled barrels and firing mechanisms. Who needs labor intensive manufacturing machine shops when a group of mages can pass around a wand that just poofs firearm parts out by the dozens...

Gunpowder probably wasn't created in the South because people down there can blow each other up with magic if they wanted.
The North is said to be technologically advanced, while the South relies on Magic for most stuff.
Gunpowder could be a recent discovery in the Northern continent, the fact that the Princess's ship doesn't have cannons is indicative. My guess is that the Church in the North is working on things like gunpowder precisely to invade the South without getting ratio'd by magic.

At no time was I interested in why or how the north invented gunpowder and firearms. I was responding to a the comment about how the MC had yet to distribute information on gunpowder and it's practical use a weapon.

And the north is only currently more advanced then the south. The MC has already started to make inroads into technologies that can support the nation's current tech, and now that he has discovered that the north has opened a can of worms, I'm sure he will set a few contingency plans in motion to mitigate the north's new toys.

 

[finalm]

Short answer: YES.

Explanation: Firearms technology isn't one of those maybe-maybe-maybe things. It's a matter of When and not If. And we've seen so far that while magic is a thing here, most of their fighting is done the good old fashioned way: with swords and wooden shields.

That's a very bold assertion, considering we only have one data point to draw from. Technology isn't a straight line, even assuming gunpowder surfaces, like in China, there's every possibility that something resembling a personal firearm would not, especially due to the existence of magic. It's a question of circumstance.

And so this would be the crux of the matter: when some other country gets the jump on you and invades you with musketeer corps, do you wanna be fighting them with swords and shields? Or do you wanna be fighting them with the lever-action rifles you cooked up in secret?

This isn't the reason muskets were adapted in armies. While early firearms could penetrate heavy armor under the right circumstances, it was nowhere near guaranteed and they suffered from a number of drawbacks. The obvious one in reloading time, the second is laughable acurracy compared to other projectile weapons. A trained archer could shoot much faster and with incomparably better range. The issue was that training a decent archer took years, while making a bunch of yokels issue effective fire in the enemy's general direction when they're close, could be done in a few weeks, mainly to teach them how to do it in formation.

(Also, before anyone says anything, Puyol strikes me as a reasonable enough person to keep that as a break-glass-incase-of-emergency thing. He is his own sort of statesman, understanding the importance of warfare - that it must be waged strictly as needed, not even as a fait accompli - and that senseless conquest and subjugation just leads to bigger problems later on down the line. We've already seen this where he corrected one of his subordinates about an officer's responsibility for the actions of his men, meaning that he knows full-well that a person's actions has consequences.)

Wait, you think Puyol is the guy to safeguard military technology and only use it as a last resort? The man so insanely power hungry, that his monarch loses sleep over what he'll cook up whenever out of her sight? The guy everyone had to team up to keep from fucking up relations with a foreign power at his own wedding, just because there was opportunity to? That Puyol?

 

[finalm]

Everyone talking about guns and Im here wondering about the "forced to comfort herself" in the ship part

What's there to wonder about? The story couldn't be any clearer here.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Booze first. And women. Classic crew.

He's probably just some random dude. Probably not even important. Probably.

Gunpowder does have a very distinct smell. It's as noticeable as cigarette smoke or petrol.

Margaret is one of the prettiest ladies in the manga.

If that was what the kid wanted, it seems a bit strange to wait so long.

I usually dont comment but... it's so weird when fake country fantasy language is a real language you speak...
All hail fantasy Poland!
Let us all go to fantasy żabka, buy a beer and celebrate.

Can relate. I live like an hour south of Uppsala.

Explanation: Firearms technology isn't one of those maybe-maybe-maybe things. It's a matter of When and not If. And we've seen so far that while magic is a thing here, most of their fighting is done the good old fashioned way: with swords and wooden shields.

And so this would be the crux of the matter: when some other country gets the jump on you and invades you with musketeer corps, do you wanna be fighting them with swords and shields? Or do you wanna be fighting them with the lever-action rifles you cooked up in secret?

Yeah, sometimes people get stuck in a thinking of, "If this didn't happen, the next thing would never happen," even when there are multiple ways for something to be invented.

For gunpowder, unless they have a significantly faster development, I don't think it would come down to those differences. It took a long time for guns to develop. First gunpowder weapons show up in early Medieval age, while lever-action rifles are several hundred years after.