Shouwaru Tensai Osananajimi to no Shoubu ni Makete Hatsutaiken o Zenbu Ubawareru Hanashi - Ch. 3.1

[willis112]

what happened?

I'm so lost, did something happen to get the other chapters taken down?

What the hell happened to the other chapters?

What the hell happened to the other chapters?

What the hell happened to the other chapters?

Bakwan doesn't have a great grasp of either Japanese or English, and has been using machine translation to translate chapters, typically with poor results/glaring issues. He is located in Indonesia or something, which means that the raws release at an optimal time (where he's awake and active) for him to quickly use MTL and be the first to upload a given chapter here.

Kirin-kun (Rehashed Scans) is manually translating chapters and prides himself on their quality. After getting sniped repeatedly by Bakwan's MTL chapters, Kirin is now only uploading to Dynasty. I suppose it's also worth notijg that Kirin (and others) have expressed dissatisfaction with the MD community for being "okay" with MTL-slop, but there will always be a silent class of mindless consumers, and the majority of those who care one way or another don't like poorly done MTL.

Bakwan has seemingly deleted his prior chapters in either a half-hearted attempt at apologizing to Kirin/the community who overall were unhappy with his translations (and his comments like "If my translation is bad its your job to correct me"), or out of pride, to decrease access to/awareness of the threads where all of this drama took place. However, he is still uploading new MTL chapters.

If Bakwan genuinely cared about the work(s) he's translating and the MD community/userbase, rather than just the prestige of uploading (he is uploading first but I'm not sure that is explicitly important to the psychology of his actions), he wouldn't be spitting out new MTL chapters, and would apologize to Kirin in an attempt to get him to bring his chapters back to MD (out of respect for the community who benefits from quality TLs and for the work/author itself, which benefits from people experiencing a quality version of the work), or at least try to work out a mutually beneficial arrangement (which doesn't seem likely imo).

tl;dr: Bakwan sniped chapters with machine translated slop, Rehashed Scans got mad and moved their stuff to Dynasty. Bakwan out of pride/shame deleted their controversial chapters (the only remaining ones on MD), but is still uploading new MTL-slop instead of just apologizing to Kirin out of respect for the community and the work itself.

 

[shemper]

Man, real translators really need to unite and put pressure on mangadex to ban mtl and bad faith translations, so many series ruined by incompetent morons and their worthless defenders

you know many manhua's never got proper translations and mtl were the main way to have something readable for years right?

 

[knight_evangel]

you know many manhua's never got proper translations and mtl were the main way to have something readable for years right?

Unfortunately you give an inch and people take a mile. And that's why overcorrection is being deemed necessary. I would only agree with the "bad faith" TLs being banned if that weren't the case.

Besides, most of those manhua weren't readable.

 

[shemper]

Unfortunately you give an inch and people take a mile. And that's why overcorrection is being deemed necessary. I would only agree with the "bad faith" TLs being banned if that weren't the case.

Besides, most of those manhua weren't readable.

i'm not talking about this particular translator, i'm talking about the thought of banning mtl;
i've been reading yuri's for nearly a decade and i was there when gl manhua's became popular, so no, i disagree on "manhua weren't readable"

 

[T-sama]

you know many manhua's never got proper translations and mtl were the main way to have something readable for years right?

Actually good mtl are the exception, not the rule, just because it sound readable doesn't mean it's correct, so even the "good" mtl is extremely questionable.

Unfortunately you give an inch and people take a mile. And that's why overcorrection is being deemed necessary. I would only agree with the "bad faith" TLs being banned if that weren't the case.

Besides, most of those manhua weren't readable.

All this, vast majority are pretty obviously low effort and bad faith from people who aren't even trying to learn Japanese.

 

[T-sama]

i'm not talking about this particular translator, i'm talking about the thought of banning mtl;
i've been reading yuri's for nearly a decade and i was there when gl manhua's became popular, so no, i disagree on "manhua weren't readable"

You disagree because you don't know the original language, so you're objectively clueless on how botched mtl is, readable doesn't equal correct.

 

[knight_evangel]

i'm not talking about this particular translator, i'm talking about the thought of banning mtl;
i've been reading yuri's for nearly a decade and i was there when gl manhua's became popular, so no, i disagree on "manhua weren't readable"

I wasn't talking about this particular translator either. I have been reading longer than that, actually. I was around when The Breaker was first being translated ( a great translation btw). There were TONS of unreadable translations for both manhua and manga alike. Not even just MTL stuff. lol

You disagree because you don't know the original language, so you're objectively clueless on how botched mtl is, readable doesn't equal correct.

Aaww shit, don't tell me this shemper dude is ESL too?? Literally just proving my theory right in the same thread. LOL

 

[kn4ll]

I don't expect to change anyone's minds with this and this post is sorta out of context too cuz it was a reply to discussion that's deleted now.

Stop glorifying second language by being overly forgiving. That's an America-centric idea because much of the world outside the U.S. speaks two(or 1 and half). And if someone can't understand broken English don't bitch at them. Understanding broken things is a mechanics job and you have to train to be a mechanic. Asking for clarification should NEVER be something to bitch at.

I'm saying this because whiteknights have been defending bad English from ESL users for so many years that the ESL people have likely been quasi-gaslit into thinking their English is just fine. Then those ESL users go on to defend MTL. So (ironically) I wouldn't even blame ESL people for this. I'd blame the white knights.

There are other reasons people have been so accepting of MTL but that's my personal conspiracy theory on how it got started. lol

If you’re good at MTL scanlating, people won’t be able to distinguish it from a regular translation. You’ve most likely read tons of MTL translated manga with quality better than a novice translator would’ve made, but you don’t know because there weren’t any glaring mistakes, and they had edited and proofread it properly. Considering that fewer are willing to translate scanlations and good translators are hard to find, I don’t know if fewer are learning Japanese but it sure seems like it, there won’t be any real alternative if people are going to be able to scanlate less popular manga that won’t get a translator. Even now there are obviously good and popular series that don’t get picked up because of lack of people.
It’s not long before you have decent AI MTL scanlations that can clean, redraw, typeset, and translate, ichigoreader is already good enough to understand a lot of manga, but still a MTL translation won’t be great unless it’s been edited properly, because AI won’t connect bubbles, arrange sentences in the wrong order, and don’t get context which you still need a human to do.

 

[knight_evangel]

If you’re good at MTL scanlating, people won’t be able to distinguish it from a regular translation. You’ve most likely read tons of MTL translated manga with quality better than a novice translator would’ve made, but you don’t know because there weren’t any glaring mistakes, and they had edited and proofread it properly. Considering that fewer are willing to translate scanlations and good translators are hard to find, I don’t know if fewer are learning Japanese but it sure seems like it, there won’t be any real alternative if people are going to be able to scanlate less popular manga that won’t get a translator. Even now there are obviously good and popular series that don’t get picked up because of lack of people.
It’s not long before you have decent AI MTL scanlations that can clean, redraw, typeset, and translate, ichigoreader is already good enough to understand a lot of manga, but still a MTL translation won’t be great unless it’s been edited properly, because AI won’t connect bubbles, arrange sentences in the wrong order, and don’t get context which you still need a human to do.

this has nothing to do with what I wrote. All I was saying was part of why MTL gets such a good wrap is due to the nature of the comment sections belonging to a lot of ESL people who have been coddled.

Surely you aren't facetious enough to think the context of this conversation is well-proofread MTLs with effort put behind them to make them readable. Or did you just want to be technical?

 

[kn4ll]

i'm not talking about this particular translator, i'm talking about the thought of banning mtl;
i've been reading yuri's for nearly a decade and i was there when gl manhua's became popular, so no, i disagree on "manhua weren't readable"

Banning MTL would be stupid, because you can’t tell if something is MTL if the person doing it is good at it, people think MTL is used if they use big sister instead of onee-san and omits honorifics (I’m not even joking, some of the people in the forums are complete idiots), and you’d ban half of the manga published here.

 

[T-sama]

Aaww shit, don't tell me this shemper dude is ESL too?? Literally just proving my theory right in the same thread. LOL

English isn't my native language either, that's not the issue, I agree that mtl with actual real effort are somewhat acceptable, especially if the person is learning or want to learn Japanese.
Real issue is that too many people, even native English speakers, accept any trash independent of how low quality it is.
Some people just have no standards at all.

 

[knight_evangel]

Banning MTL would be stupid, because you can’t tell if something is MTL if the person doing it is good at it, people think MTL is used if they use big sister instead of onee-san and omits honorifics (I’m not even joking, some of the people in the forums are complete idiots), and you’d ban half of the manga published here.

Gonna have to disagree with the "you can't tell if something is MTL" part, if only because some people aren't new to manga. Sometimes it's as simple as recognizing that something should have been referenced but you don't recall them saying a certain phrase. Because the machine "estimated" what the sentence meant.

Little things like that pile up until you finally realize this is not really a translation but an approximation. AND THAT'S NOT A COMPLETELY BAD THING if there are no other translators available. At the end of the day you have a general idea of what's going on. But when there's so many "bad faith" translations going on people might really reach the point where they want MTL gone.

 

[T-sama]

Banning MTL would be stupid, because you can’t tell if something is MTL if the person doing it is good at it, people think MTL is used if they use big sister instead of onee-san and omits honorifics (I’m not even joking, some of the people in the forums are complete idiots), and you’d ban half of the manga published here.

If you can't tell something is mtl, you can argue it's because the person put actual effort into doing a good job, that's not the case for vast majority of mtl, that's the real issue, 95% of all mtl you'll ever see is completely half assed garbage.

 

[komachi29]

Kirin-kun (Rehashed Scans) is manually translating chapters and prides himself on their quality. After getting sniped repeatedly by Bakwan's MTL chapters, Kirin is now only uploading to Dynasty. I suppose it's also worth notijg that Kirin (and others) have expressed dissatisfaction with the MD community for being "okay" with MTL-slop, but there will always be a silent class of mindless consumers, and the majority of those who care one way or another don't like poorly done MTL.

Bakwan has seemingly deleted his prior chapters in either a half-hearted attempt at apologizing to Kirin/the community who overall were unhappy with his translations (and his comments like "If my translation is bad its your job to correct me"), or out of pride, to decrease access to/awareness of the threads where all of this drama took place. However, he is still uploading new MTL chapters.

If Bakwan genuinely cared about the work(s) he's translating and the MD community/userbase, rather than just the prestige of uploading (he is uploading first but I'm not sure that is explicitly important to the psychology of his actions), he wouldn't be spitting out new MTL chapters, and would apologize to Kirin in an attempt to get him to bring his chapters back to MD (out of respect for the community who benefits from quality TLs and for the work/author itself, which benefits from people experiencing a quality version of the work), or at least try to work out a mutually beneficial arrangement (which doesn't seem likely imo).

tl;dr: Bakwan sniped chapters with machine translated slop, Rehashed Scans got mad and moved their stuff to Dynasty. Bakwan out of pride/shame deleted their controversial chapters (the only remaining ones on MD), but is still uploading new MTL-slop instead of just apologizing to Kirin out of respect for the community and the work itself.

Alrite thanks for replying just read the entire discussion as the other explained what actually happened.
i saw Bakwan Asking for criticism and help from other member, i thought because he's not english native and evidently the grammar are fucked here and there.
but turned out he just lazy and didn't one to put actual effort recheck his translation don't want to improve his translation in slightest and want the community do it for him
and worse, all of this motivated by the dumbest Horse race imaginable. for CLOUT.

I saw that Reharsed scan got salty or It's their policy to not Upload theirs on MD or delayed it few weeks and put it mainly on dynasty scans.
well that sucks, i guess this series die for me then. Because DS interface suck ass and It load a lot slower compared to MD.

and for the sentiment on MTL i half-agree and half-disagree with it.
some series are left abandoned or never alive in first place until someone Picked it up even though it's MTL.
i still commend them for their effort, series Like Jashin Dropkick are dead for years and one day one person decide to picked it up out of passion, i'm glad someone picked it up even if its MTL. for few months this one guy kept the series alive until Cultist from /a/ continue on with a lot better Translation

different story if the MTL are used as an upperhand on horse race
Wanna be the fastest and first one? that just beyond pathetic, your effort would be Spent Better if you either ressurect dead series, Picking up Something Niche and no one gonna picked it up like JUM did, or improving your translation.
seeing the wall of text where Bakwan get corrected of all the translation error showed me it's all for clout, not out of passion for the series.
So dude, Just stop and hand this series over and actually apologize

in the end i felt like the extreme "anti-MTL" and "Pro MTL" on both side are almost as retarded as Ring wing left wing tbh

 

[shemper]

I wasn't talking about this particular translator either. I have been reading longer than that, actually. I was around when The Breaker was first being translated ( a great translation btw). There were TONS of unreadable translations for both manhua and manga alike. Not even just MTL stuff. lol


Aaww shit, don't tell me this shemper dude is ESL too?? Literally just proving my theory right in the same thread. LOL

what's esl?
edit: i said readable, not good translation

 

[kn4ll]

English isn't my native language either, that's not the issue, I agree that mtl with actual real effort are somewhat acceptable, especially if the person is learning or want to learn Japanese.
Real issue is that too many people, even native English speakers, accept any trash independent of how low quality it is.
Some people just have no standards at all.

Some people aren’t entitled and ungrateful enough to complain over something they get for free. It’s a mystery.

 

[shemper]

Actually good mtl are the exception, not the rule, just because it sound readable doesn't mean it's correct, so even the "good" mtl is extremely questionable.

oh i do agree, readable doesn't mean good, that's not what i'm debating here

 

[knight_evangel]

English isn't my native language either, that's not the issue, I agree that mtl with actual real effort are somewhat acceptable, especially if the person is learning or want to learn Japanese.
Real issue is that too many people, even native English speakers, accept any trash independent of how low quality it is.
Some people just have no standards at all.

Oh nah it wasn't meant to be a sweeping generalization in that context. I had a theory that whiteknights defending bad English contributed to people accepting awful English online. I can see that you clearly have a grasp over English so you aren't even part of that community as far as I can tell thus far.

But you are also right that some people regardless of being native English speakers or not just don't have standards.

 

[winterume]

chat what should i have for dinner?

 

[T-sama]

Some people aren’t entitled and ungrateful enough to complain over something they get for free. It’s a mystery.

Entitled? Ungrateful?
If I go to a friend house to eat, I expect them to cook the food instead of taking from the trash for me to eat.
The real mistery is people having pathetically low standards.
You don't mind trash? Go eat it happily, not everyone will wallow in the filthy like you.
Opinion discarded for lacking basic human dignity.