Vinland Saga - Ch. 203 - Thousand Year Voyage Part 12

[Konrad2]

Thanks for the translation.
No way he actually said that in a happy way. ._.

 

[sssr]

well... I'm the type that consider the people were gone the moment their civilization isn't around. I take no account of what language they're using. so even if people there using Maya language, I don't consider such scattered tribes to be Mayan. thus, there's no Mayans by 1524.

but that's just a difference in perspective between you and me. what's clear to both of us is, there's no great Mayans cities for Conquistador to conquer by 1500.

What are you talking about? Conquistadors were conquering cities of the Quiche Maya Kingdom way into the late 1600s. This is like saying China ended when the Qin Dynasty fell.

 

[al_pacino]

What are you talking about? Conquistadors were conquering cities of the Quiche Maya Kingdom way into the late 1600s. This is like saying China ended when the Qin Dynasty fell.

well... quite close. the Maya civilization were ended before Columbus even arrived. when European arrived, there's hardly any city grandeur enough to warrant a story in central America (where Mayans are) aside from those of Aztecs. the people might remain, but the grandeur is gone. might as well says they're gone.

when Qin fell, Han continues China grandeur. and when Han finally fell, Jin continued it briefly before it finally fell. Tang revive the China glories again. and on and on it goes. thus why I never consider China to be ended since there's someone who continue their glory. the same can't be said about Mayans. by 1500, there's no kingdom or state that have the same glory as Mayans did, thus why I consider it ended.

 

[huntercheco]

Literally the Black Death (bubonic plague). While the 14th century event is the best-known, the first clear record of the plague was actually from China in the 600s, so the plague has been around for a long time. It was endemic in the territories of the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire because it was one of the causes of the Plague of Justinian. Probably someone from Thorfinn's merchant crew brought it with them from Constantinople.

Yeah, we have seen some panels here and there recently with rats

 

[madmax103]

good job guys, this thing must be hell to translate compared to other manga

 

[HailBritannia_]

I still don't get it...

These natives can get high and see into the future, and one of them can even see the Industrial Revolution and its consequences, but Valhalla absolutely is not real and death is oblivion?

only one Lnu can see the future and it's not of great importance to the development of the story, so it's fine

 

[HailBritannia_]

I really have no idea how Thorfinn gonna solve this, or at least how the story will conclude in a satisfying way.

It won't. It will be pain.

 

[BambuszManus]

Bitch knows about the plague and decide to say fucking nothing. Great. Just, fucking great. The wisdom of a sage that saw the future, ladies and gentlemen!

Weren't we also shown real Valhalla, but as something hellish back then? It was Thorfinn's dream, but still, the "afterlife" I remember being shown all need a quotation mark.

It wasn't Valhalla. It was Thorfinn's dream, or more like nightmare where he imagined the warriors of the vikings endlessly fighting for no reason, just like in the real world, how he interprets the real world (that's why Askelad, how Thorfinn interprets him, says that it isn't the afterlife). That's why he is afraid to back to that place and tries to climb up the cliff, because if he returns to violence it would be like if he fell down there again. It was more of a metaphore.

 

[Grimmycoffee]

It wasn't Valhalla. It was Thorfinn's dream, or more like nightmare where he imagined the warriors of the vikings endlessly fighting for no reason, just like in the real world, how he interprets the real world (that's why Askelad, how Thorfinn interprets him, says that it isn't the afterlife). That's why he is afraid to back to that place and tries to climb up the cliff, because if he returns to violence it would be like if he fell down there again. It was more of a metaphore.

Yeah, I forgot about Askeladd saying it isn't one. I know it was a metaphor, but that and the dying slave very early on are the only afterlife-ish thing I remember before typing that.

The "valhalla doesnt exist" is on ch. 154

 

[Bananimal]

This seems like bubonic plague, but while the necrosis is accurate, I wish the author showed the bubo swellings to clarify the exact disease. But then this is Vinland Saga, not Plague Saga.

 

[hollyguild]

I think it's interesting we had Canute killing his own people to prevent the spreading of a plague in a previous chapter and here we are... obviously we will have to see if Thorfinn can find a way to not take the "kill the few to save the many" route because he's not going to change his beliefs now.

 

[duaangka22]

I wonder how their conflict will be resolved...

 

[kazaddum]

agreed. not to mention that Mayans is already gone by the time of the Aztec (somewhere around 1300-1400). which is waaaay before Columbus or even Cortez.

You're mixing two things up. The Maya still exist, they're a ethnicity living in southern mexico for example.
The "Aztecs" do so too. Bu there are a few things off. The name: That's actually how their enemies called them. They call themselves Nahua. They make up a large chunk of the population in central Mexico. Tenochtitlan became Mexico City and a iconic bit of its founding myth is depicted on the mexican coat of arms.

Their independent states got conquered, but as ethnicities they still persist.

 

[mastername]

The Vikings didnt actually have superhuman strength either, but we have Thorkell tossing boulders and being like 8ft tall.

I assume Yukimura decides to show the embellished historical feats, rather than make it entirely grounded in reality. Its not inherently anything supernatural, it could be psychedelics causing the visions and so the manga uses it to drive the story forward.

The Superhuman Strength could be excused as just exaggerations and Thorfinn's Nightmare were just that his Nightmares but we saw exactly what Visions that Shaman had and we know that it's what's going to happen, and that knowledge is something he couldn't know other than supernatural reasons so I thought it was weird.

 

[Sandor]

Looks like somebody's got a a wee case of the sniffles!

 

[Nucleus1618]

Tf thorfinn gonna do now

 

[Panino]

What a satisfying punch.

On the contrary, because boss was the responsible for this epidemic, he insisted on rats on board.