Vinland Saga - Ch. 212 - Thousand Year Voyage Part 21

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First Nations peoples out west in what are now the Canadian prairie provinces hunted Bison for thousands of years. Bison just aren't here in the Atlantic region.
That was more so the Métis people where bison were much further out west. Mi'kmaq/Lnu were more reliant on caribou and seals off the Eastern coast of Canada. Most European settlements were coastal and not very far inland yet as they of course met a lot of resistance from the natives.
 
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That was more so the Métis people where bison were much further out west. Mi'kmaq/Lnu were more reliant on caribou and seals off the Eastern coast of Canada. Most European settlements were coastal and not very far inland yet as they of course met a lot of resistance from the natives.
Your original comment gave the impression that "Right, they are in what is now Atlantic Canada, of course there's no Bison", as if hunting Bison was just a mid-West America thing. So I was just saying that out West, Bison were hunted in what is now Canada. From Parks Canada:

For centuries, the prairies were the domain of Indigenous peoples who had linked their lives to the migrations of Bison. One after the other, they came – A’aninin (Gros Ventre), Nakoda (Assiniboine), Nehiyawak (Plains Cree), Niitsitapi (Blackfoot), Dakota and Lakota (Sioux).
 
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Feels like a lot of people are missing the fact that... they HAVE to fight here unless they want their families slaughtered. The Lnu are attacking regardless and einar needs to rally the men to defend. Sure einars throwing out some big claims of revenge and protecting their land. But REGARDLESS they have to protect the fort or they die, the evacuation needs time. If they die defending it that's not on einar, they couldn't make it out anyways.
 
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If you think about it, wouldn't that be the right play? If you kill a group horrifically violently enough, the rest of the group leaves you alone. This is why Vlad the Impaler impaled: it scared the hell out of the Turks and they left him alone. If the Nords were horrifically violent every roughly 80 years, they could keep the Lnu too scared to make war.
the turks didnt leave vlad alone, they bought his brother to betray him and send some assassins, war crimes beget tactical war crimes
 
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I don't play video games but it sounds like you're insinuating that what I'm saying is that committing any action no matter how gratuitous is ok so long as it doesn't harm your interests , but the actions of the Americans aren't gratuitous like your examples. They're literally just attacking a severe threat.
Your initial claim was that they're monstrous but their actions are very normal and reasonable for pre-modern nations/peoples So your attempts to paint them like the marquis de sade or something fall flat.
Well, if you don’t play Crusader Kings or video games, you have no idea what I’m talking about at all and no that isn’t the point I was making at all.

The “Morality” in CK3, which is a real world 8th-14th century simulator which lets you play as real world leaders and the extensive systems and simulations provide a top down overview perspective of the world.

Your Religion mandate how your society reacts to your actions. The farther removed from your ideology, the more acceptable it is to murder them, steal whatever you want, and it’s literally that simple. “Oh you’re a different ideology, you’re evil and must be stopped before becoming a threat”.

Shame anyone who used Social Media with personalized content will naturally start gaining that mindset just by the inherent nature of limiting what you interact with, to the point it naturally becomes an ideology in everything but name. We try and differentiate between the pastor standing in front of crowds preaching their truths and social media influencers with millions of people believing their every word… but it’s the same thing at the end of the day.
 
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Well, if you don’t play Crusader Kings or video games, you have no idea what I’m talking about at all and no that isn’t the point I was making at all.

The “Morality” in CK3, which is a real world 8th-14th century simulator which lets you play as real world leaders and the extensive systems and simulations provide a top down overview perspective of the world.

Your Religion mandate how your society reacts to your actions. The farther removed from your ideology, the more acceptable it is to murder them, steal whatever you want, and it’s literally that simple. “Oh you’re a different ideology, you’re evil and must be stopped before becoming a threat”.

Shame anyone who used Social Media with personalized content will naturally start gaining that mindset just by the inherent nature of limiting what you interact with, to the point it naturally becomes an ideology in everything but name. We try and differentiate between the pastor standing in front of crowds preaching their truths and social media influencers with millions of people believing their every word… but it’s the same thing at the end of the day.


It's not even remotely close the same thing. People who follow influencers and use social media still have their own sense of values and self, religions and other people around them to show them different paths and call them out, they are actual people that are actively reacting to things happening in the world.

They have empathy and can change their minds or have their minds changed and have the tools to do it too.

It's not equal at all to a lil guy in CK3 who doesn't care if you genocide the next country over because they're another religion than yours, in CK3 your "religion mandate" is their entire world, it's everything your society knows. Similarly to a period like the middle ages where people wouldn't have access to other worldviews easily but here in the internet there are so many more spaces that can intersect, clash and interact that stuff like that usually doesn't stay unchallenged for very long.

We're kinda living on the internet bubble here anyways, we see this "Influencer" shit on the daily, so we don't even know how many people are actually zealous followers of crap like that, for all we know people in real life spaces do realize how stupid and vapid a lot of that shit is, I know most of my friends do.

And no, kids don't count, they are usually stupid anyways, that's what they're supposed to be, even I had some dumb cringy phase, they just need actual people around them to call them out, help them and show them better paths.
 
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Feels like a lot of people are missing the fact that... they HAVE to fight here unless they want their families slaughtered. The Lnu are attacking regardless and einar needs to rally the men to defend. Sure einars throwing out some big claims of revenge and protecting their land. But REGARDLESS they have to protect the fort or they die, the evacuation needs time. If they die defending it that's not on einar, they couldn't make it out anyways.
I don't think anyone is condemning the necessity of immediate short-term military defensive actions by the Norse settlers in general right now, or specifically blaming Einar for any immediate deaths. Most of the comments are just commiserating over the circumstances that have lead to this tragic situation (i.e. this chapter's themes of "having no choice" and whatnot).

Now the stuff that someone like Ivar is spouting who wants to prolong military engagement for as long as possible, for the sake of an unachievable victory, and not just what is necessary for facilitating a complete evacuation, is on the other hand, very much worthy of criticism and ire.
 
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I gotta say, Thorfinn going from wounded last chapter to unconscious at the end of this one is real bad
 
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just binged all 212 chapters, cant believe I caught up.

I want more!
 

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