Shin'yuu no Furin Aite wa, Otto deshita - Vol. 2 Ch. 15

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Why are people debating the comment of you, the TL of an already completed manga?

Did they not notice the big blue completed label on the front page?
 
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that I was genuinely somewhat anxious I'd be letting folks down with the very simple conclusion, even though I didn't even write the story and am just translating it lol.
Hey please don’t worry about this. Like you said yourself, all you are doing is doing us all a huge favor by translating this story!

I haven’t really formed a single idea on where to the story will end up but I actually didn’t see this chapter ‘twist’ coming! And it at least got me even more excited about what’s to come. I’ll stick around till the end at the very least.
 
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@Nosebleed
Why are people debating the comment of you, the TL of an already completed manga?

Did they not notice the big blue completed label on the front page?
Idk lol, I just wanted to dump my jumbled thoughts because I couldn't say them before, it wasn't even a critique of anyone specifically, just my own fascination with how the discussion played out here and on reddit VS my own first read and the Japanese comments I read, but apparently everyone really disliked it.
I have learned my lesson and won't share my thoughts again. Don't wanna distract from the chapters.
 
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So she was looking at him like that since her marriage day (the day they first met). Damn ew. A very good friend.

Though I wonder if he would've gotten with her too if he wasn't with someone else.
 
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Idk lol, I just wanted to dump my jumbled thoughts because I couldn't say them before, it wasn't even a critique of anyone specifically, just my own fascination with how the discussion played out here and on reddit VS my own first read and the Japanese comments I read, but apparently everyone really disliked it.
I have learned my lesson and won't share my thoughts again. Don't wanna distract from the chapters.
Your comment has many likes and you've received constructive responses despite disagreement.
I wouldn't say everyone disliked your thoughts at all.

I can't say I agreed with all your points but they were interesting nonetheless.
Don't put yourself down.
 
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@Nosebleed
Why are people debating the comment of you, the TL of an already completed manga?

Did they not notice the big blue completed label on the front page?
Personally, I commented due to the inviting nature of their comment, moreso than anything else. They are the translator, so huge props to them for all the work they're putting in, and obviously they know how the plot actually plays out. As far as the story goes, they will be correct. I don't think that's the area of contention. They had great points, shared interesting information, and were not rude about asserting their beliefs.

However, at the same time, their comment pointed at English-speaking readers and asked why they didn't have the same interpretation and reaction to the story and characters as them and Japanese readers. They expressed curiosity and fascination about this phenomenon, saying they were shocked and amazed at how far off English readers were from the Japanese readers, which in turn invites discussion. So English readers responded.

A quick and dirty summary of their comparison between English-speaking readers and the Japanese audience might be...

The main points of difference:
  1. Predicting future events in the story -> EN did very poorly
  2. Overthinking and overcomplicating the story -> EN did a lot of this
  3. Interpretation of Rei -> EN is more lenient on him
  4. Interpretation of Haruto -> EN is more negative on him
Their main speculations on why the difference exists:
  1. Gender of the audience (i.e. male readers having different focuses and interests)
  2. Lack of genre familiarity (i.e. non-shoujo/male readers having different expectations)
  3. Lack of life experience (i.e readers not having the negative lived experiences of knowing someone like Rei)
  4. Personal biases (i.e. wondering if readers would treat a female character worse under the same circumstances)
I can absolutely understand why people would want to engage in conversation on these topics. They're interesting, for one, and it directly engages with them as readers asking why they have the thoughts they do, rather than only what their thoughts are. Fortunately, as far as I've skimmed in this thread while typing out this comment, the discussion seems polite and respectful thus far, albeit very openly honest when sharing personal disagreements.
 
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A few personal thoughts to share: I'm quite amazed that almost nobody predicted this outcome, given the manga has, from the very beginning, been playing it super straight, what you see is what you get. I think I recall like 3 or 4 comments from the hundreds that said this is how it would play out (congrats if you're one of the lucky ones!).

Of course, it's really hard to imagine the exact outcome of any story, especially a mystery (I didn't guess this outcome when I read it myself, so I don't get any cookies either). But what stood out to me was how most people were going so far off course with the theories and purposefully avoiding the most basic of interpretations (ie they're simply cheating as presented in the story, which would then lead to the twist of only Kyouko cheating, so you'd have been half right if you just assumed the basic), that I was genuinely somewhat anxious I'd be letting folks down with the very simple conclusion, even though I didn't even write the story and am just translating it lol.

Naturally there is purposeful misdirection to complicate it, but overall the plot has not really veered too far off course from what it has initially presented to the reader, so it's interesting that some really complex theories have formed around it.

Perhaps this is the result of a somewhat unintended demographic reading this. Many people really focused on the mystery angle and drew complex narratives in the comments (totally understandable, who doesn't love to theory craft and try to identify the red herrings/misdirection), while the manga is more of a by-the-books shoujo/josei, and to me it's always been primarily a story about Mahoro's emancipation, not just a cheating mystery (even if that's the hook), so I always took the mystery at face value when I read it and simply put myself in Mahoro's shoes and assumed her worldview.

Another thing is that a lot of stuff is glossed over. Like yeah, this sting operation probably isn't very smart if you analyze it, but the goal of the story is clearly elsewhere so it doesn't bother really making everything perfect, just enough to preserve suspension of disbelief, which in turn makes the scene more spicy like in a TV drama.

Same with the timeline, you don't really see much of Mahoro's life outside of when she's investigating the affair (to the point where some folks even wondered if she worked at all, despite that being established in chapter 1, just not shown). Did you notice several months have passed since the start of the manga? Go back and read it, its mentioned in a throwaway line. We started in November and it's now somewhere around spring/summer. So we're really only shown the very important moments, all the rest of the story is trimmed and downtime abridged. The author has a plot to tell and isn't really concerned with the stuff around it (only to the point of maintaining suspension of disbelief).

Other things are what I suppose I would describe as "male-centeic takes in a female-centric work" for lack of a better expression. This mainly came across with regards to the perception of the male characters in the series.

For example, since chapter 1 some people have been defending or at least presuming Rei's innocence (either that he's not cheating or even that he's actually a nice guy and we're dealing with an unreliable narrator/perspective), whereas the jp audience unanimously called him a piece of shit since chapter 1 and most didn't even assume he wasn't cheating, since there are more signs pointing to it than not like the letter, the first pages of the manga, and the title/synopsis (plus his demeanor/behavior but those can always be misinterpreted).

If you take the story at face value, and especially if you're a woman who has dealt with people like Rei irl (they're... surprisingly more common than you think), that's the conclusion you invariably arrive at. The author, a woman herself, when writing to an audience also comprised mostly of women, clearly wrote Rei with those presuppositions in mind. It's a given that Rei is a bad person because his behaviors are so well known and common among the intended audience that the tidbits Mahoro mentions alone are enough to paint almost the whole picture. But in these comments a lot of people much prefer exploring alternative possibilities and presume Rei's innocence to a certain extent, if not entirely. Not to say who's right or wrong in this story's case (I ain't spoiling), just pointing out the stark difference in perception.

Another difference was the reception of Haruto. I was actually quite shocked so many people didn't like him because, when I first read these chapters, he just seemed like a goofy guy who liked to lighten the mood and was presented as such. Some commenters were even accusing him of taking advantage of Mahoro when all I saw was the two having completely reasonable banter (Mahoro even smacks his hand when he gets too close, clearly consciously establishing boundaries, which he respected). He hasn't pressured her to do anything or tried to put her in any awkward spots, he's just accompanying her and keeping things cool, something she explicitly appreciated because it helped her be more rational and less tense (many people overlooked the fact he dispelled her fears of Rei being in bed with Kyouko, saying Rei is unlikely to rent a suite just to sleep with a woman, so he at least on a surface level has her best interest in mind and is not taking unreasonable positions for personal gain). But hey, different strokes for different folks, if you don't like him that's that.

Though I do wonder if these commenters would react the same way with the genders reversed, considering the sheer volume of manga with horrible, toxic women that are full of "I can fix her/she can ruin me" comments. Not that I am criticizing those series' or comments' existence, just pointing out the polar opposite attitude when it's a man being... Just kinda silly(?) around a woman (it's particularly funny when Haruto is quite ordinary all things considered, unlike more tropey shoujo heros. Being kind to someone is a baseline, not a trait reserved for prince charming only). I don't want to go as far as saying it's insecurity projection, but it is a peculiar shift in views.

I don't really know where I'm going with all these disjointed thoughts, I just wanted to write them down now that we've come to one of the major turning points and I can finally write about some of this stuff without spoilers.

More than anything I'm just fascinated that so many readers had such different experiences and interpretations compared to when I read the manga blind. That in itself isn't unusual because everyone is different, but the stark contrast certainly was a newfound experience for me.

This also demonstrates why shoujo works tends to be isolated in their own bubble. This one crossing that hurdle and being placed in the spotlight among a much broader audience/demographic certainly created a more diverse pool of opinions compared the original release, whose audience was much more consistent in its reception (there was speculation there too, like the all three friends cheating theory, but it followed the story much more closely. I don't think I ever saw comments about this possibly being an intervention on the friends' part, for example). Excluding some of the misogyny I saw, I think that extra clash created a fun discussion environment.

Regardless, hope you'll stick around for the rest of the ride, there's still plenty to uncover!
I dont think the reaction is coming from a male audience reading a work aimed at women...

I'm a woman and I'm 50-50 on seeing Rei as a cheater. I dont think he's secretly a good person: he's a terrible partner regardless of whether he's actually cheating and Mahoro would be better without him.

Mahoro believes he's cheating and maybe thats true but I think when reading a mystery you expect more than the obvious conclusion and we engage by theorising possibilities. Even though this is a simple story we are presented with a few questions: Is Rei cheating? (Mahoro thinks so but we don't know for sure), If so who's the affair partner? Who left the used condom? Why did they do it?

When the story is presenting itself to be a mystery I think its fine for the audience to not take things at face value- thats how people engage with mysteries not a bunch of guys ignoring the woman's story.

I'm seeing this story overall as Mahoro realising she deserves better and seeing him in another light after the possibility of infidelity was made obvious to her. It is also a mystery.

If he's cheating great she has better pretext to leave him and she can ease her mind with the truth. If hes not cheating then she can learn from her journey that actually she doesn't want him anyway.

In regards to Haruto I dont hate him but Mahoro is kinda on a journey of figuring out if her husband is cheating and what she actually wants. A new possible love interest creates a bit of a conflict of interest (at the most basic Rei can call her a cheater if they are caught together for example, but also Mahoro emancipating herself from a terrible relationship to leap into another one straight away kind of undercuts things). Its generally not cool to look to date someone who's in the midst of a messy relationship and so thats why any hints to him being more than friendly come across as slightly skeevy to me- he's also a little too perfect give him some actual flaws so he's not like a deux ex machina perfect guy waiting in the wings of this otherwise cast of flawed characters. As long as things stay platonic it's fine. Plus my brain is set to mystery mode and so everyone is automatically suspicious.

Not everything is a gender thing.

Maybe this reached outside of its core audience but I dont think the diverse opinions is a bad thing
 
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Honestly can't believe she's now upset that her husband went off on a woman trying to tempt him to cheat. Is she just never happy? Is that part of why her relationship with her husband sucks?
Its more that her husband rejected her friend because she wasn't hot enough for him to consider cheating with instead of being angry that her friend was betraying Mahoro or being like I would never cheat on my wife.

The implication is that if someone hotter asked he would accept and he doesn't care about how Mahoro would feel.
 
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Idk lol, I just wanted to dump my jumbled thoughts because I couldn't say them before, it wasn't even a critique of anyone specifically, just my own fascination with how the discussion played out here and on reddit VS my own first read and the Japanese comments I read, but apparently everyone really disliked it.
I have learned my lesson and won't share my thoughts again. Don't wanna distract from the chapters.
I dont think anyone hates your insight. I think we are all just expanding on how we view the story which might not be consistent with how you proposed that we did.
 
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Well, my opinion of Rei sure went up with this chapter. His wife’s friend tried to get in his pants while talking shit about his wife, ofc he had to be harsh with her. I don’t really understand why Mahoro is shocked by this, she should be happy imo; Rei refusing her advances doesn’t change the fact that Kyouko betrayed her.
Now the question is, did Rei refuse cuz he’s faithful, or did he refuse just cuz Kyouko wasn’t his type ? The answer won’t change the fact that he’s not a good husband imo, but that would sure help Mahoro to get a divorce.
She's still upset because Rei didn't turn Kyouko down because he was loyal, he literally just went "Lol, not interested. You're ugly with no fashion sense lol." Even knowing he's a pos, she didn't think he could be THAT cruel as to insult a mutual friend like that, especially because she knows he's cheating.
 
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Idk lol, I just wanted to dump my jumbled thoughts because I couldn't say them before, it wasn't even a critique of anyone specifically, just my own fascination with how the discussion played out here and on reddit VS my own first read and the Japanese comments I read, but apparently everyone really disliked it.
I have learned my lesson and won't share my thoughts again. Don't wanna distract from the chapters.
Disagreement is not dislike.

Don't wonder about why things were interpreted this way or that way if you don't want an answer, don't level charges insecurity projection & audience bias if you don't want to engage on those subjects?

Regardless, TY for your work on the TL.


Personally, I commented due to the inviting nature of their comment, moreso than anything else. They are the translator, so huge props to them for all the work they're putting in, and obviously they know how the plot actually plays out. As far as the story goes, they will be correct. I don't think that's the area of contention. They had great points, shared interesting information, and were not rude about asserting their beliefs.

However, at the same time, their comment pointed at English-speaking readers and asked why they didn't have the same interpretation and reaction to the story and characters as them and Japanese readers. They expressed curiosity and fascination about this phenomenon, saying they were shocked and amazed at how far off English readers were from the Japanese readers, which in turn invites discussion. So English readers responded.

A quick and dirty summary of their comparison between English-speaking readers and the Japanese audience might be...

The main points of difference:
  1. Predicting future events in the story -> EN did very poorly
  2. Overthinking and overcomplicating the story -> EN did a lot of this
  3. Interpretation of Rei -> EN is more lenient on him
  4. Interpretation of Haruto -> EN is more negative on him
Their main speculations on why the difference exists:
  1. Gender of the audience (i.e. male readers having different focuses and interests)
  2. Lack of genre familiarity (i.e. non-shoujo/male readers having different expectations)
  3. Lack of life experience (i.e readers not having the negative lived experiences of knowing someone like Rei)
  4. Personal biases (i.e. wondering if readers would treat a female character worse under the same circumstances)
I can absolutely understand why people would want to engage in conversation on these topics. They're interesting, for one, and it directly engages with them as readers asking why they have the thoughts they do, rather than only what their thoughts are. Fortunately, as far as I've skimmed in this thread while typing out this comment, the discussion seems polite and respectful thus far, albeit very openly honest when sharing personal disagreements.
100% agree.

he's a terrible partner regardless of whether he's actually cheating and Mahoro would be better without him.
Agreed. The only weak defense I got of Rei being a useless human being is "This doesn't look like new behavior; why the heck did she marry a guy who can't work a damn microwave in the first place?".
I'm sure that part of the Manga is coming, but as of chapter 15, there isn't anything wrong with Rei that couples counseling couldn't fix if Mahoro wanted to put in the effort - though she's well within rights if she didn't want to.

She's still upset because Rei didn't turn Kyouko down because he was loyal, he literally just went "Lol, not interested. You're ugly with no fashion sense lol." Even knowing he's a pos, she didn't think he could be THAT cruel as to insult a mutual friend like that, especially because she knows he's cheating.
I'm going to go a step further: Who the hell plans to meet up with their wife's best friend a trendy hotel bar without telling their wife, unless its to plan her birthday party or something?
 
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Idk lol, I just wanted to dump my jumbled thoughts because I couldn't say them before, it wasn't even a critique of anyone specifically, just my own fascination with how the discussion played out here and on reddit VS my own first read and the Japanese comments I read, but apparently everyone really disliked it.
I have learned my lesson and won't share my thoughts again. Don't wanna distract from the chapters.
I personally love how when translators/scanlators share their thoughts with the audience. Like you've done all the hard work, it's cool to know why.

Plus I thought you're making a really important point about cultural context - the Japanese audience has all this context for how they're reading the narrative that the non Japanese audience doesn't. Gender is part of it, but so is communication & common character types.

there isn't anything wrong with Rei that couples counseling couldn't fix if Mahoro wanted to put in the effort
I don't think Japan has the culture of couples counseling (I dunno that I've ever seen it in a manga) & Rei very much does not seem like the type of guy to agree. His whole relationship with his mother and his mother with Mahoro is all very traditional.
 
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Obviously the main difference is that this is MangaDex, where the most popular titles are battle shounen, isekai and romcoms. This demographic is into big twists and turns in a scenario, not so much into empathising with women. Empathising in general is way more prevalent in Japanese environments, even more so in shoujo/josei circles, where this is one of the primary features. Somehow this title broke into an alien demographic in a vastly different culture, so the reactions of the readers would only follow suit.
 
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I don't think Japan has the culture of couples counseling (I dunno that I've ever seen it in a manga) & Rei very much does not seem like the type of guy to agree. His whole relationship with his mother and his mother with Mahoro is all very traditional.
agreed, but that doesn't change the fact that rather than swallowing irritation till she flips out, if she really wanted to she could save her marriage. Rei has been shown to just be self-centered but not sociopathic. I think he has enough IQ to be taught how to use a microwave.

(again, as it stands at chapter 15. I know what's coming for the character where he'll be turned into a cartoonish level of villain here before too much longer. )
 
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if she really wanted to she could save her marriage. Rei has been shown to just be self-centered

The thing that kick-started this manga is that Mahoro found an anonymous accusation taped to her door plausible rather than a prank. Like Nosebleed was saying, the audience for this manga will interpret the plausibility of the accusation as "oh he's probably trash".

I think Maharo's approach is terrible, sure, but the whole reason she's been swallowing all the bad - Rei's selfishness and detachment, her overbearing mother in law - is b/c she thinks that is saving her marriage by preserving harmony. Legit grab a random shoujo/josei where the female lead is married and hits a rough patch & that's the advice she's gonna be given from anybody half way traditional. That's one of the reasons even more "modern" friends like Momoko who are advocating for her to speak up are still advocating for her to do it slowly, carefully, and with lots of evidence.

Somehow this title broke into an alien demographic in a vastly different culture,
My guess is b/c of the other titles @Nosebleed translates given I recognize some of the commentator names from the Ori no Naka boards. It's why I gave this a try and I'm in the target demo for this manga.
 
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The thing that kick-started this manga is that Mahoro found an anonymous accusation taped to her door plausible rather than a prank. Like Nosebleed was saying, the audience for this manga will interpret the plausibility of the accusation as "oh he's probably trash".

I think Maharo's approach is terrible, sure, but the whole reason she's been swallowing all the bad - Rei's selfishness and detachment, her overbearing mother in law - is b/c she thinks that is saving her marriage by preserving harmony.
I know, conflict-avoidance and social conformity society, yadda yadda. Also, lets be clear: we both know hard evidence of his actual cheating is coming because that's how the narrative line on these goes.

That out of the way: I am not saying she's WRONG for deciding to end things with Rei - turning his ass into a self sufficient adult isn't her job. Just pointing out when she DOES assert herself Rei pouts a bit but goes along with it (or well attempts to). So IF she wanted to (as of what we've seen so far) its a marriage the could be saved by her communicating with her husband and spelling out what she wants (and Rei learning how to operate a microwave; or at the very least not being a passive aggressive little shit if things aren't warmed to his liking).
 
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Hey, on the bright side, even if Mahoro didn't get evidence of Rei cheating on her, she now has some of Kyouko trying to have an affair behind her husband's back. She should definitely bring this up to his attention later, especially after how bad she dissed her to her own husband.

If Kyouko thought things were bad then, that was just the beginning.
 

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A few personal thoughts to share: I'm quite amazed that almost nobody predicted this outcome, given the manga has, from the very beginning, been playing it super straight, what you see is what you get. I think I recall like 3 or 4 comments from the hundreds that said this is how it would play out (congrats if you're one of the lucky ones!).

Of course, it's really hard to imagine the exact outcome of any story, especially a mystery (I didn't guess this outcome when I read it myself, so I don't get any cookies either). But what stood out to me was how most people were going so far off course with the theories and purposefully avoiding the most basic of interpretations (ie they're simply cheating as presented in the story, which would then lead to the twist of only Kyouko cheating, so you'd have been half right if you just assumed the basic), that I was genuinely somewhat anxious I'd be letting folks down with the very simple conclusion, even though I didn't even write the story and am just translating it lol.

Naturally there is purposeful misdirection to complicate it, but overall the plot has not really veered too far off course from what it has initially presented to the reader, so it's interesting that some really complex theories have formed around it.

Perhaps this is the result of a somewhat unintended demographic reading this. Many people really focused on the mystery angle and drew complex narratives in the comments (totally understandable, who doesn't love to theory craft and try to identify the red herrings/misdirection), while the manga is more of a by-the-books shoujo/josei, and to me it's always been primarily a story about Mahoro's emancipation, not just a cheating mystery (even if that's the hook), so I always took the mystery at face value when I read it and simply put myself in Mahoro's shoes and assumed her worldview.

Another thing is that a lot of stuff is glossed over. Like yeah, this sting operation probably isn't very smart if you analyze it, but the goal of the story is clearly elsewhere so it doesn't bother really making everything perfect, just enough to preserve suspension of disbelief, which in turn makes the scene more spicy like in a TV drama.

Same with the timeline, you don't really see much of Mahoro's life outside of when she's investigating the affair (to the point where some folks even wondered if she worked at all, despite that being established in chapter 1, just not shown). Did you notice several months have passed since the start of the manga? Go back and read it, its mentioned in a throwaway line. We started in November and it's now somewhere around spring/summer. So we're really only shown the very important moments, all the rest of the story is trimmed and downtime abridged. The author has a plot to tell and isn't really concerned with the stuff around it (only to the point of maintaining suspension of disbelief).

Other things are what I suppose I would describe as "male-centeic takes in a female-centric work" for lack of a better expression. This mainly came across with regards to the perception of the male characters in the series.

For example, since chapter 1 some people have been defending or at least presuming Rei's innocence (either that he's not cheating or even that he's actually a nice guy and we're dealing with an unreliable narrator/perspective), whereas the jp audience unanimously called him a piece of shit since chapter 1 and most didn't even assume he wasn't cheating, since there are more signs pointing to it than not like the letter, the first pages of the manga, and the title/synopsis (plus his demeanor/behavior but those can always be misinterpreted).

If you take the story at face value, and especially if you're a woman who has dealt with people like Rei irl (they're... surprisingly more common than you think), that's the conclusion you invariably arrive at. The author, a woman herself, when writing to an audience also comprised mostly of women, clearly wrote Rei with those presuppositions in mind. It's a given that Rei is a bad person because his behaviors are so well known and common among the intended audience that the tidbits Mahoro mentions alone are enough to paint almost the whole picture. But in these comments a lot of people much prefer exploring alternative possibilities and presume Rei's innocence to a certain extent, if not entirely. Not to say who's right or wrong in this story's case (I ain't spoiling), just pointing out the stark difference in perception.

Another difference was the reception of Haruto. I was actually quite shocked so many people didn't like him because, when I first read these chapters, he just seemed like a goofy guy who liked to lighten the mood and was presented as such. Some commenters were even accusing him of taking advantage of Mahoro when all I saw was the two having completely reasonable banter (Mahoro even smacks his hand when he gets too close, clearly consciously establishing boundaries, which he respected). He hasn't pressured her to do anything or tried to put her in any awkward spots, he's just accompanying her and keeping things cool, something she explicitly appreciated because it helped her be more rational and less tense (many people overlooked the fact he dispelled her fears of Rei being in bed with Kyouko, saying Rei is unlikely to rent a suite just to sleep with a woman, so he at least on a surface level has her best interest in mind and is not taking unreasonable positions for personal gain). But hey, different strokes for different folks, if you don't like him that's that.

Though I do wonder if these commenters would react the same way with the genders reversed, considering the sheer volume of manga with horrible, toxic women that are full of "I can fix her/she can ruin me" comments. Not that I am criticizing those series' or comments' existence, just pointing out the polar opposite attitude when it's a man being... Just kinda silly(?) around a woman (it's particularly funny when Haruto is quite ordinary all things considered, unlike more tropey shoujo heros. Being kind to someone is a baseline, not a trait reserved for prince charming only). I don't want to go as far as saying it's insecurity projection, but it is a peculiar shift in views.

I don't really know where I'm going with all these disjointed thoughts, I just wanted to write them down now that we've come to one of the major turning points and I can finally write about some of this stuff without spoilers.

More than anything I'm just fascinated that so many readers had such different experiences and interpretations compared to when I read the manga blind. That in itself isn't unusual because everyone is different, but the stark contrast certainly was a newfound experience for me.

This also demonstrates why shoujo works tends to be isolated in their own bubble. This one crossing that hurdle and being placed in the spotlight among a much broader audience/demographic certainly created a more diverse pool of opinions compared the original release, whose audience was much more consistent in its reception (there was speculation there too, like the all three friends cheating theory, but it followed the story much more closely. I don't think I ever saw comments about this possibly being an intervention on the friends' part, for example). Excluding some of the misogyny I saw, I think that extra clash created a fun discussion environment.

Regardless, hope you'll stick around for the rest of the ride, there's still plenty to uncover!
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