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Scar is immortal so MC-kun probably can still play cards in death, effectively able to self revive at will once a day perhaps?
Elf Deck To Senjou Gurashi - Vol. 2 Ch. 6 - Soul Eater Hakkai
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@Goldenzeal @FranTRf and anyone else from a bit of re-reading I se that what had happen was the knight killed his Leo Forest Master that looked like an Orc when the knight mentioned that one Orc was killed. That made the rest of the elves lose their buffs. What is odd that Leo Forest Master doesn't buff itself because it's ability said Elves get 1+/1+ modifier which should make it 3/3 instead.
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Edit: spelling errors and whatnot...
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Good point, but even without the +1 +1 the stats isn't really the main problem. ( the harpy was helping the knight after all )
Its the effect of the "Forest Battle Technique" that is most important.
Tho I guess even that could be because of translation :/
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It's not that strange honestly.
With the harpy and the knight combined stats, they are 3/3. (it's also a bit odd they did not die from the fight but oh well... sneak attacks and all that... )
Depending on the rules he might not give himself the "Forest Battle Technique" considering it happens when he "Enters the battlefield", so yeah...
But even then it's still weird that the other elves lost the effect.
According to the card text the effect of "Forest Battle Technique" is given to the other elves, its not an aura effect like the +1 +1 stat buff and should not disappear if he dies.
But again this is up for interpretation and could be affected by the rules of the game.
@Capt_Gigglepants
Good point, but even without the +1 +1 the stats isn't really the main problem. ( the harpy was helping the knight after all )
Its the effect of the "Forest Battle Technique" that is most important.
Tho I guess even that could be because of translation :/
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It's not that strange honestly.
With the harpy and the knight combined stats, they are 3/3. (it's also a bit odd they did not die from the fight but oh well... sneak attacks and all that... )
Depending on the rules he might not give himself the "Forest Battle Technique" considering it happens when he "Enters the battlefield", so yeah...
But even then it's still weird that the other elves lost the effect.
According to the card text the effect of "Forest Battle Technique" is given to the other elves, its not an aura effect like the +1 +1 stat buff and should not disappear if he dies.
But again this is up for interpretation and could be affected by the rules of the game.
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@Mizuho9000 probably a translation error. at least when it comes to MTG most of such cards say OTHER _____ get +1 +1 or whatever.
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@Goldenzeal @FranTRf
There is the possibility that her planewalker ability grants something like first strike to her minions (she is white afterall) Its fairly common for white legends to give damage buffs and first strike to others.
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@Goldenzeal @FranTRf
There is the possibility that her planewalker ability grants something like first strike to her minions (she is white afterall) Its fairly common for white legends to give damage buffs and first strike to others.
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I didn't expect her to be a planeswalker. I wonder if she too was isekai'd.
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@humbleoverlord the problem here is that the Saint was the braindead one without thinking in any way. WHY would an Orc wound and nearly kill Hakkai which is the one who gets the buffs? She just attacked everything and most likely killed the beastman with that too because of this giant AOE.
I at least hope that she realises it and reflects on it, maybe even try to apologize and/or repent towards the prota.
I at least hope that she realises it and reflects on it, maybe even try to apologize and/or repent towards the prota.
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OK, this chapter makes no sense.
As said by others above, it makes no sense that "Leo" gets killed out of the blue by the knight despite 1. "forest technique" which has already demonstrated its effectiveness and 2. being a green card so the "black killer" shouldn't activate. He's an elf but looks a lot like an orc, so I understand him being targeted, not killed.
Then why is the MC damaged? That's not clear either. There might have been an AoE attack, though that is not clear either since no AoE skill was mentioned, but the MC was standing away from the battle.
There might be a "trample" effect of some sort, as a global rule or as a special skill of this orc, but that has never been stated at any point.
Nothing makes sense and the whole action is very confused.
As said by others above, it makes no sense that "Leo" gets killed out of the blue by the knight despite 1. "forest technique" which has already demonstrated its effectiveness and 2. being a green card so the "black killer" shouldn't activate. He's an elf but looks a lot like an orc, so I understand him being targeted, not killed.
Then why is the MC damaged? That's not clear either. There might have been an AoE attack, though that is not clear either since no AoE skill was mentioned, but the MC was standing away from the battle.
There might be a "trample" effect of some sort, as a global rule or as a special skill of this orc, but that has never been stated at any point.
Nothing makes sense and the whole action is very confused.
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well that was a plot forced loss. From the authors own map we see that the humans and elves would be attacking from different sides. So how is The battle elf, The human Knights FIRST "Orc" kill when the humans would have to travel through the battle between the frontline elves and the orcs currently fighting let alone passing through the orcs on the human side of the beastman town? Also what the hell happened to only those with "forest battle technique" will be the only ones who will be able to attack or defend ??? let me guess its only in effect until the Battle Elf dies...thats why the author had to have the knight skip pass ALLL of the other monsters to kill him first, but still the battle elf is also an elf so he should be protected as well...see the forced plot ?
This manga had an interesting premise and a forced plot just pulled me out. There is so much to work with story wise, im disappointed that the author thought this would work.
P.S after writing this i see everyone here also noticed the same thing ;/
This manga had an interesting premise and a forced plot just pulled me out. There is so much to work with story wise, im disappointed that the author thought this would work.
P.S after writing this i see everyone here also noticed the same thing ;/
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This makes no sense unless saint has some op broken ally ability 🙄
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@Dragou not gonna argue with that. The saint is indeed kind of stupid.
But my problem is really with the MC reasoning for helping this town. The beastman is under human territory, therefore they are ally of human, as former human he must help them, without finding what kind of relationship is between elf, beastman and human. Maybe the human see the elf as enemy, maybe elf is isolationist race that almost never meet the human so is not strange that human mistakenly see elf as some different type of orc.
And tbh, im okay with this result. His decision of helping this town is good but reckless and now he meet with the consequences. I hope now the MC will grow and no longer just be happy go lucky naive card gamer.
But my problem is really with the MC reasoning for helping this town. The beastman is under human territory, therefore they are ally of human, as former human he must help them, without finding what kind of relationship is between elf, beastman and human. Maybe the human see the elf as enemy, maybe elf is isolationist race that almost never meet the human so is not strange that human mistakenly see elf as some different type of orc.
And tbh, im okay with this result. His decision of helping this town is good but reckless and now he meet with the consequences. I hope now the MC will grow and no longer just be happy go lucky naive card gamer.
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@humbleoverlord for that there would have been other ways and he assumed things which didnt get shot down. He learned basically NOTHING, because of stupid and ridiculous actions of this "saint". It was basically handled pretty bad. If the conclusion would have been something that he knows, why things happened or even got a single clue why they did end that way, then it would have been a chance for character growth.
This way he and the other elves have no way of knowing why it happened, because another character acted totally stupid without any reason and in a situation where it doesnt make sense yet. She didnt appear to be this brain dead at all.
This way he and the other elves have no way of knowing why it happened, because another character acted totally stupid without any reason and in a situation where it doesnt make sense yet. She didnt appear to be this brain dead at all.
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Man you know what's funny? This is obviously based on MTG, and the weeb community also doubles as a home for many MTG players. Most MTG players would be able to use those rules to show that obviously this situation makes no sense in the realm of MTG rules, even older rules. The issue is that the author is just loosely referencing the card formatting, symbols, stat alignments and general turn format but none of the comprehensive rules or judge rulings, and appears to have a different set of those for the story.
This causes dissonance between what the story says happens and what we expect to happen based on prior knowledge. The issue is that this manga's whole shtick is being ""MTG"" except isekai, but relying upon MTG to carry the story a REALLY long way (the author didn't have to create his/her own card game, explain the rules and mechanics as well as officiating a few different "what-if" rulings, he could just be like "it's MTG basically" and every MTG player knows how it works roughly) but then doesn't meld or define how the new world's rules will interact with the MTG rules.
This chapter basically started as a 2 "player" game, 1vs1 but then halfway through a third "player" joins immediately without consent to either "players". Like wtf? In MTG you can't just join a game that's explicitly 2 player, or even join a multiplayer game that's already in progress??? The rules just straight up don't accommodate that situation occurring at all, and I bet if someone tried to pull that shit anywhere, let alone the judge, EVERYONE would likely not be okay with it.
The problem is that this is a real, living world and not an isolated MTG game. This could happen at any time and it completely clashes with the rules of MTG. It could be more equivalent to say that this world is basically one HUGE multiplayer game of MTG except it's proximity based and the turns are taken basically at the same time as everyone else. Which has never happened in MTG ever as well, so the author should have clearly defined this upfront. I am hoping the author can use this for growth, so the MC can better plan for this as this clearly is not going to follow the expected rules of MTG, or any card game for that matter.
No matter how you slice it, MTG is way too established and too popular of a game to loosely reference or use without reader backlash and dissonance: either you use and follow all the rules of MTG, or don't use any of them. Being lukewarm and just using MTG as a convenient way of establishing the MC's isekai powers and explaining them to the audience without effort is really shallow, gatekeeping and bad writing.
This causes dissonance between what the story says happens and what we expect to happen based on prior knowledge. The issue is that this manga's whole shtick is being ""MTG"" except isekai, but relying upon MTG to carry the story a REALLY long way (the author didn't have to create his/her own card game, explain the rules and mechanics as well as officiating a few different "what-if" rulings, he could just be like "it's MTG basically" and every MTG player knows how it works roughly) but then doesn't meld or define how the new world's rules will interact with the MTG rules.
This chapter basically started as a 2 "player" game, 1vs1 but then halfway through a third "player" joins immediately without consent to either "players". Like wtf? In MTG you can't just join a game that's explicitly 2 player, or even join a multiplayer game that's already in progress??? The rules just straight up don't accommodate that situation occurring at all, and I bet if someone tried to pull that shit anywhere, let alone the judge, EVERYONE would likely not be okay with it.
The problem is that this is a real, living world and not an isolated MTG game. This could happen at any time and it completely clashes with the rules of MTG. It could be more equivalent to say that this world is basically one HUGE multiplayer game of MTG except it's proximity based and the turns are taken basically at the same time as everyone else. Which has never happened in MTG ever as well, so the author should have clearly defined this upfront. I am hoping the author can use this for growth, so the MC can better plan for this as this clearly is not going to follow the expected rules of MTG, or any card game for that matter.
No matter how you slice it, MTG is way too established and too popular of a game to loosely reference or use without reader backlash and dissonance: either you use and follow all the rules of MTG, or don't use any of them. Being lukewarm and just using MTG as a convenient way of establishing the MC's isekai powers and explaining them to the audience without effort is really shallow, gatekeeping and bad writing.
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@Dragou once again, i did agree that the saint is stupid, but you also cannot expect everyone to be smart. Maybe what the saint do is honest mistake, maybe she hate other race except for beastman, maybe she command her summon to attack anyone but human and beastman. Who know, not enough information is the problem and the MC didn't try to gain more information before deciding to enter the fight. The mc have good intention helping the town, he expect to get positive respond, but turn out, is not. What i really want to say is that, The saint is indeed stupid, but the MC also need to become smarter.
But nyeeeeh, it's shounen, i'm 90% sure this is what's going to happen. What saint doing is just misunderstanding, and after the elf died, the orc win the fight again the saint, and mc decide to help the saint, and they end up become a friend. lol.
But nyeeeeh, it's shounen, i'm 90% sure this is what's going to happen. What saint doing is just misunderstanding, and after the elf died, the orc win the fight again the saint, and mc decide to help the saint, and they end up become a friend. lol.
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