Mikudashi Ibari wa Mikudashitai! - Vol. 1 Ch. 9

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it's so funny how there's this war on the MC and thr FMC on who is evil or good. I want to ask. why do we need to determine evil and good? is this a battle manga? a drama? the vitriol to just slap the evil mark everywhere just disgusts me. just like the MC
We are not debating evil and good wtf are you on about 💀? Is discussing what behavior is acceptable using basic logic and common sense too advanced for you to understand? Better to not talk just for the sake of talking, even more so when you have nothing to add and it makes yourself look stupid.
 
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I can't really in good faith pretend that the MC is justified in his disgust for her
Since when did finding sluttish behavior disgusting became abnormal? And you don't need justification for your preferences. You like what you like and hate what you hate, MC hates and disgusts people who acts like degraded sluts. That's his preference established from the very first chapter. The other guys in school don't mind or are attracted to that instead. The opposite of MC. That's their preference. Now look at this situation in the MC's shoes. How'd you feel if some disgusting, filthy, flea-infested dog keeps following you around releasing its horrible stench and fleas on to you even after you've tried to chase it away multiple times? That's what it's like for him to deal with this bitch on a daily basis.
 
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Since when did finding sluttish behavior disgusting became abnormal? And you don't need justification for your preferences. You like what you like and hate what you hate, MC hates and disgusts people who acts like degraded sluts. That's his preference established from the very first chapter. The other guys in school don't mind or are attracted to that instead. The opposite of MC. That's their preference. Now look at this situation in the MC's shoes. How'd you feel if some disgusting, filthy, flea-infested dog keeps following you around releasing its horrible stench and fleas on to you even after you've tried to chase it away multiple times? That's what it's like for him to deal with this bitch on a daily basis.
You're... like... rancid, dude, a real tar pit.
 
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We can both agree the her behavior is bad, but from what we saw from the memory he seems to be in shock reather then disgust.

And as you said, everything else takes place after this chapter, but his reaction to her change was shock, he didnt do or say anything that could label him an asshole from the memory.
The flashback ends with her asking "What do you think of your new cute sexy senpai" or something like that and then we resume into the present with him saying "I HATE HER!". To me it seemed like that was basically his answer back then too.
 
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Idk why people feel so strongly about all this but I can't really in good faith pretend that the MC is justified in his disgust for her. Even before she started harassing him, which is obviously wrong of her, he was already disgusted because she changed into something he didn't like. Let's not pretend it only started after she started going after him.
Plus, thinking about her perspective, she changed into something she liked, and now her friend hates her and she wants their friendship back even if she's going about it in the stupidest way possible. Sorry for calling Ishigami 2 an asshole I guess but I don't think he's justified.
The MC is justified in his disgust for her because it's caused by her sexual harassment of him!
The flashback shows he was shocked at her change, and likely his reasoning for refusing to talk to her, which is completely valid. But then she starts sexually harassing him, and now he's disgusted with her!

Unless future chapters show what happened between him meeting her after her change and her starting to sexually harass him, that showcase improper behavior on his part, then he is 100% justified!

Also, just because she changed to something she likes, doesn't mean everyone else has to be happy with that change of hers nor accept it. She is the one that needs to learn that the friendship is lost and stop harassing him!
 
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The MC is justified in his disgust for her because it's caused by her sexual harassment of him!
The flashback shows he was shocked at her change, and likely his reasoning for refusing to talk to her, which is completely valid. But then she starts sexually harassing him, and now he's disgusted with her!

Unless future chapters show what happened between him meeting her after her change and her starting to sexually harass him, that showcase improper behavior on his part, then he is 100% justified!

Also, just because she changed to something she likes, doesn't mean everyone else has to be happy with that change of hers nor accept it. She is the one that needs to learn that the friendship is lost and stop harassing him!
Refer to my other replies to Matchu. Sorry just don't feel like saying the same stuff again. Have a good one.
 
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so is he lol, prior to the first chapter shes been doing this dude nothing but favors from the get-go then he gives a psudeo confession, then when he comes back and finds that oops, his dumb shy waifu fantasy isnt actually real anymore and she starts trying to do some brash attempts at flirting with him, he starts treating her like she dosent exist or with active disgust.

his love was so fragile that someone gaining the idea that "haha, wow yeah i am hot!" was enough to break it.
Not everyone is a horny monkey. And she became a narcissist, which I’m positive no one really likes for their personality.
 
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I have read all 4 pages of this forum at once and I find it absolutely BATHLING that no one pointed this out yet…

People like @FearlessDawg are out here saying shit like this:
Even before she started harassing him, which is obviously wrong of her, he was already disgusted because she changed into something he didn't like. Let's not pretend it only started after she started going after him

But also, MC is wrong for hating her EVEN BEFORE she started harassing him. All he saw was that she changed and felt disgusted over it, he's wrong for that.
But what he (and others) seem to be forgetting/overlooking/ somehow is that FMC whose name I can’t be bothered to remember starts sexually harassing him IN THE SAME MEMORY as when she changes. She LITERALLY starts fondling her boobs in front of him ONE PAGE after the chara-design reveal.

But I don't think that at that moment they met he gets to decide if her change is for the better or worse
THAT, my guy, is when he can decide that the change she made is for the worse, CONSIDERING his own preferences of course. Which is a right he has.

And when I see comments like these:
The flashback ends with her asking "What do you think of your new cute sexy senpai" or something like that and then we resume into the present
It makes me think that you’ve intentionally overlooked that fact just not to lose face. Because those words were uttered in THE EXACT SAME FUCKING PANEL as when she gropes herself.

But of course just because she’s a woman braindead people will minimize or disregard everything.

Let’s shift things around shall we?

Let’s say a guy (who, for the sake of this argument is a shower type) acts humbly as a perfectly respectable citizen/student, earns the trust and utmost respect of a girl through 2 years of interacting with one another, and then one day a year later just asks the girl to meet him IN PRIVATE (important detail ) only to grope the massive bulge in his pants saying: « What do you think of your hung and muscular senpai? »

That is the textbook definition of a creep, on top of it being sexual harassment and the MC’s reaction, which is NEUTRAL in the memory by the way, is entirely justifiable, get real!
 
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I have read all 4 pages of this forum at once and I find it absolutely BATHLING that no one pointed this out yet…

People like @FearlessDawg are out here saying shit like this:



But what he (and others) seem to be forgetting/overlooking/ somehow is that FMC whose name I can’t be bothered to remember starts sexually harassing him IN THE SAME MEMORY as when she changes. She LITERALLY starts fondling her boobs in front of him ONE PAGE after the chara-design reveal.


THAT, my guy, is when he can decide that the change she made is for the worse, CONSIDERING his own preferences of course. Which is a right he has.

And when I see comments like these:

It makes me think that you’ve intentionally overlooked that fact just not to lose face. Because those words were uttered in THE EXACT SAME FUCKING PANEL as when she gropes herself.

But of course just because she’s a woman braindead people will minimize or disregard everything.

Let’s shift things around shall we?

Let’s say a guy (who, for the sake of this argument is a shower type) acts humbly as a perfectly respectable citizen/student, earns the trust and utmost respect of a girl through 2 years of interacting with one another, and then one day a year later just asks the girl to meet him IN PRIVATE (important detail ) only to grope the massive bulge in his pants saying: « What do you think of your hung and muscular senpai? »

That is the textbook definition of a creep, on top of it being sexual harassment and the MC’s reaction, which is NEUTRAL in the memory by the way, is entirely justifiable, get real!
Don't call me braindead dude that's rude. Maybe I'm just lenient or open when it comes to this stuff but is her grabbing her breasts for that panel really sexual harassment?

What was he so shocked by anyway, he saw her new style and acted surprised before she even said anything about her new personality. Idk dude's weird for that to me.

You say he has a right to his preferences but if you think him only liking her because she fit his type and now that that isn't the case he doesn't like her or want their friendship anymore is justified then sorry but it's not. It's weird and it's not something you break on your own.

20$USD that at some point there will be a moment where she calls him out on the fact he ended their friendship without warning and it'll be a whole thing.

And lastly, chill with your tone lmao, this whole thing isn't and shouldn't be that serious. Sorry if I'm annoying to y'all but in the end this is, to me, the silly manga about the gloomy boy who isn't interested in the gyaru. I'm seriously over this discussion, keep it to "strike" or "dumb" reactions.
 
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Don't call me braindead dude that's rude. Maybe I'm just lenient or open when it comes to this stuff but is her grabbing her breasts for that panel really sexual harassment?

What was he so shocked by anyway, he saw her new style and acted surprised before she even said anything about her new personality. Idk dude's weird for that to me.

You say he has a right to his preferences but if you think him only liking her because she fit his type and now that that isn't the case he doesn't like her or want their friendship anymore is justified then sorry but it's not. It's weird and it's not something you break on your own.

20$USD that at some point there will be a moment where she calls him out on the fact he ended their friendship without warning and it'll be a whole thing.

And lastly, chill with your tone lmao, this whole thing isn't and shouldn't be that serious. Sorry if I'm annoying to y'all but in the end this is, to me, the silly manga about the gloomy boy who isn't interested in the gyaru. I'm seriously over this discussion, keep it to "strike" or "dumb" reactions.
I admit that was going too far, I was just so frustrated… Sorry about all that, I didn’t mean it.

As for your arguments, are you really asking me why was he so shocked? Seriously? She went from being the student council president, a respectable and hard-working person, to literally « so, anyway, what do you think of my sexy figure ? », as she is groping herself. Anyone would be shocked.

Speaking of which, she’s not just « grabbing her bresasts », she is showing them off to him asking « what do you think »
Again, take a guy, make him ask a girl 1 year younger to meet in secret, then make him show off the huge bulge in his pants asking the girl « what do you think of it? ».
The definition of sexual harassment is: « behaviour characterized by the making of unwelcome and inappropriate sexual remarks or physical advances in a workplace or other professional or social situation. »
It checks out to me.
I think you’re gonna lose those 20 dollars cause she literally gives 0 fucks about that. She only cares about getting every single male’s attention. She’s just frustrated that the MC of all people is unfazed since they were rather close a year ago.

Anyhow, time will tell
 
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He's judgmental, mean, and constantly slut-shames the FMC. He doesn't dislike her just because "she changed" in the abstract; he specifically doesn't like that she enjoys showing off her body, despite that not harming anyone. Of course the incels here agree with him about this and don't see anything wrong with it, but this is in fact a character flaw of his.
Slut Shaming isn't a bad thing, why are you treating it like it is? Sluts choose to be sluts, so why is it bad to dislike them? It's not a good thing to be slutty, all that's going to get you is a terrible life with no meaning. So why are we encouraging sluts? You can say that it's not harming anyone but encouraging people to be more slutty and saying that "nothing is wrong with this" is wrong. Not to mention that people who are slutty have a higher risk of STD just because of how much sex they have. But the problem is that he doesn't even just dislike her because she wears revealing clothing. From the last couple of chapters we've seen how she acts. She flaunts around her body not because she's confident in it but because she wants to show off because it makes her feel superior to others. This is narcissistic behaviour but I guess that'd be narcissist-shaming, huh? And you can say that "it's not harming anyone" but she quite literally sexually harasses Yonekura almost every chapter that's been released. If it was a dude doing the same I don't believe you'd be here defending him.

I'm gonna be honest, it's very silly to be debating this on a manga site and I don't actually care whether MC's are assholes or not because that's what makes stories interesting but your comment is just so retarded that I just had to.
 
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Slut Shaming isn't a bad thing, why are you treating it like it is? Sluts choose to be sluts, so why is it bad to dislike them? It's not a good thing to be slutty, all that's going to get you is a terrible life with no meaning. So why are we encouraging sluts?
I'm going to be honest, this is one of the most intensely misogynistic sentiments I've seen in a while, but at least you're being honest about it so I know not to take anything you say seriously.
 
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I'm going to be honest, this is one of the most intensely misogynistic sentiments I've seen in a while, but at least you're being honest about it so I know not to take anything you say seriously.
Even if I hated sluts (I honestly really don't care) that's not misogynistic because most women aren't sluts. To think that all women are sluts is what is truly misogynistic here. It's also very telling that you give no argument whatsoever.
 
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Even if I hated sluts (I honestly really don't care) that's not misogynistic because most women aren't sluts. To think that all women are sluts is what is truly misogynistic here. It's also very telling that you give no argument whatsoever.
I don't need to give an argument for why it's bad to attack people for behavior that doesn't hurt anyone else. And I'm not talking about the FMC harassing the MMC, I've never denied she's a bad person too. It just has nothing to do with the reasons the MMC dislikes her.
 
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I admit that was going too far, I was just so frustrated… Sorry about all that, I didn’t mean it.

As for your arguments, are you really asking me why was he so shocked? Seriously? She went from being the student council president, a respectable and hard-working person, to literally « so, anyway, what do you think of my sexy figure ? », as she is groping herself. Anyone would be shocked.

Speaking of which, she’s not just « grabbing her bresasts », she is showing them off to him asking « what do you think »
Again, take a guy, make him ask a girl 1 year younger to meet in secret, then make him show off the huge bulge in his pants asking the girl « what do you think of it? ».
The definition of sexual harassment is: « behaviour characterized by the making of unwelcome and inappropriate sexual remarks or physical advances in a workplace or other professional or social situation. »
It checks out to me.
I think you’re gonna lose those 20 dollars cause she literally gives 0 fucks about that. She only cares about getting every single male’s attention. She’s just frustrated that the MC of all people is unfazed since they were rather close a year ago.

Anyhow, time will tell
let's also remember that she inspired him to be a better person, not only with examples, with arguments.
he but a major effort to be a better student because of what she told him and them she just did a huge flip
 
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so is he lol, prior to the first chapter shes been doing this dude nothing but favors from the get-go then he gives a psudeo confession, then when he comes back and finds that oops, his dumb shy waifu fantasy isnt actually real anymore and she starts trying to do some brash attempts at flirting with him, he starts treating her like she dosent exist or with active disgust.

his love was so fragile that someone gaining the idea that "haha, wow yeah i am hot!" was enough to break it.
Dude that isn’t brash attempts at flirting, she legit bullies him after leading him on just to fuck with him
She isn’t doing him any favors as he doesn’t want any of it, 3/4 of the shit she does could considered sexual harassment
While she might like him for some reasons, she says earlier that she does stuff to him because she has superiority complex and wants to look down on him
 
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"downgrade" she gained a metric shit tonne of self confidance in her body image and the person that gave her that confidance is acting like shes a creepy worm.
Because she is a creepy worm
I have no problem with the self-confidence in herself, but if a random girl started putting her used under-garments in peoples stuff and ran around a school commando with a mini-skirt on,
I would probably call the cops, or security
 

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