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Welcome to the YEAR 2 ADAPTATION.Classroom of the Elite - my god it was so fucking cringe i cant stand the protag
Welcome to the YEAR 2 ADAPTATION.Classroom of the Elite - my god it was so fucking cringe i cant stand the protag
Speaking of abhorrent art styles, I'm almost finished with Paranoia Agent, and it's become a chore for me to watch. It tries to do the 'ugly character designs' thing, kind of like with Oyasumi Punpun, but all the characters (even the ones that are supposed to be attractive) end up looking like bland as fuck troglodytes.
The sound design and the manner in which episodes introduce new characters I don't care about annoy me. Basically, I'm an unhappy camper. I get what the show is going for (it's 'psychological and abstract'), but damn does it shoot itself in the foot with how unappealing it is to watch.
That's blasphemy. Everyone knows that BB is the greatest hentai in history.Got the order wrong; It's bible black.
Alright, I get what you're saying about Oyasumi Punpun and its character designs. Yes, Asano Inio intentionally uses grotesque and distorted visuals to reflect the psychological states and inner turmoil of his characters. It’s meant to enhance the bleakness and existential horror that pervades the narrative, and on an intellectual level, I can respect that. The point isn't that the characters are ugly, it’s that their ugliness is a reflection of their emotional and mental degradation. In this context, Punpun’s art serves a higher purpose — to underline the themes of self-destruction, alienation, and the inability to escape one's own internal hell. And characters like Aiko and Yaguchi, being more conventionally attractive, are anomalies in the world that Asano builds, which draws attention to their tragic circumstances and emphasizes the idea that beauty can be as fleeting and ultimately just as doomed as everything else in the narrative.What do you mean Punpun had ugly character design? It was the point. You might as well say: why most characters are birds. It all ties to the themes of the manga. Characters like Aiko and Yaguchi were very attractive, because it made sense.
I don't know about you, but I'm a very beauty-driven individual. I stopped playing videogames a decade ago when developers started making them, intentionally less attractive, if not damn ugly - especially women. There were some people who criticized my approach, deeming it as shallow. So I kinda agree on the importance of beauty in attracting your readers. And the dangers of ugliness that may drain and repulse them.Alright, I get what you're saying about Oyasumi Punpun and its character designs. Yes, Asano Inio intentionally uses grotesque and distorted visuals to reflect the psychological states and inner turmoil of his characters. It’s meant to enhance the bleakness and existential horror that pervades the narrative, and on an intellectual level, I can respect that. The point isn't that the characters are ugly, it’s that their ugliness is a reflection of their emotional and mental degradation. In this context, Punpun’s art serves a higher purpose — to underline the themes of self-destruction, alienation, and the inability to escape one's own internal hell. And characters like Aiko and Yaguchi, being more conventionally attractive, are anomalies in the world that Asano builds, which draws attention to their tragic circumstances and emphasizes the idea that beauty can be as fleeting and ultimately just as doomed as everything else in the narrative.
However, the reason Punpun still feels like a chore to me at times is precisely because that ‘ugliness’ becomes so overwhelming that it risks overshadowing the emotional resonance. The art style, while conceptually brilliant, left me feeling detached from the story because of how hard it was to look at at times. It was uncomfortable, and I get that it was supposed to be. But the question I have to ask is: how much discomfort is too much? At what point does the art become an obstacle rather than a vehicle to convey the themes? Maybe I’m just not that into the idea of art that pushes me away in the name of abstract psychological exploration, even if I get it. It’s a fine line between pushing boundaries and alienating the audience.
Now, moving to Paranoia Agent — Satoshi Kon’s work is interesting in this regard because it shares a similar thematic ambition with Asano’s Punpun, though the approach is different. Kon, like Asano, uses surrealism and disorienting character designs to delve into the fractured psyche of his characters. But there’s something about the aesthetic in Paranoia Agent that doesn’t feel as deliberate or coherent as it does in Punpun. It’s like Kon is trying to do the same thing — create a jarring, uncomfortable atmosphere — but without the same level of thematic consistency. The characters in Paranoia Agent, even the ones who are supposed to be attractive, often end up looking more like generic, unremarkable faces, with no real distinction or depth to them. It’s almost as if the designs are deliberately ugly or unappealing, but there’s no higher artistic purpose behind it. It feels more like a lazy attempt at discomfort for the sake of discomfort, without the thoughtful narrative grounding that makes Asano’s design choices work.
In Paranoia Agent, the randomness of new characters being introduced every episode, and their immediate involvement in the bizarre, disconnected plot points, only exacerbates the feeling of disengagement. Unlike in Punpun, where the ugliness feels like an extension of the thematic exploration of human fragility, Paranoia Agent’s character design choices feel disconnected from its narrative or philosophical underpinnings. I know Kon’s goal is to reflect the fractured, often absurd nature of modern life, but in Paranoia Agent, that becomes so chaotic and abstract that it becomes more frustrating than thought-provoking.
And here’s where it ties into something deeper. Both Punpun and Paranoia Agent tap into a shared cultural moment, where the ugliness of life, the alienation, and the emotional decay are pervasive. But while Punpun uses ugliness to make us confront the inherent dissonance between our internal and external selves, and Paranoia Agent tries to tackle the breakdown of identity and reality through surrealism, they both fall into a trap — they risk turning their philosophical explorations into a never-ending cycle of discomfort. The message becomes muddled when the medium itself feels like it’s actively working against the viewer’s engagement.
Philosophically speaking, this might be an issue with how we interact with uncomfortable media. At a certain point, we become so overwhelmed by the grotesque or the dissonant that we forget to engage with the ideas themselves. The art itself, rather than becoming a bridge to understanding, becomes an insurmountable barrier to connection. And maybe that's the ultimate commentary — in our increasingly alienating, fragmented world, we are pushed to the point where we can no longer find beauty or meaning in anything, even if we try to understand the ugliness. It’s a bleak take, but perhaps that’s the point — that both works, in their own ways, challenge us to confront the limits of human perception and empathy. They ask: Can you understand something without truly connecting with it? Can you derive meaning from something that actively repels you?
In the end, it’s not that I completely dismiss these works or their artistic ambitions. I just feel like there’s a balance that’s been tipped too far in favor of discomfort, making the thematic elements harder to connect with. It's the struggle between form and function — when the form is too disruptive, it stops fulfilling its function of delivering the message.
I disagree. I think you're over analyzing things too much. Sometimes it's not that deep.Yes, Asano Inio intentionally uses grotesque and distorted visuals to reflect the psychological states and inner turmoil of his characters. It’s meant to enhance the bleakness and existential horror that pervades the narrative, and on an intellectual level, I can respect that. The point isn't that the characters are ugly, it’s that their ugliness is a reflection of their emotional and mental degradation.
A manga forum isn't the best place to ask anime question. Any conversation will naturally derail to the manga counterpart. Because most manga readers, at least in the west and I'm one of them, are people who weren't satisfied with some anime adaptation of a series they liked - be it for censorship, a lack of new season, cut content and more - and know they are fully immersed in this medium.Reading answers about not anime titles only makes me want to add something so... the worst anime titles are deleted from my memory due selective memory, so for me the most horrible thing would have to do with the viewers so... I'll go with Madoka.
I was precisely referring to that Madoka, of course I've seen worse series which I could only stand for a few seconds but I have more aversion to overwhelming pretentious series than plainly bad series. I've said that for mahou shoujo as I could have said Eva for mecha or AoT for shonen, but I don't care at all about those two other genres for instance.A manga forum isn't the best place to ask anime question. Any conversation will naturally derail to the manga counterpart. Because most manga readers, at least in the west and I'm one of them, are people who weren't satisfied with some anime adaptation of a series they liked - be it for censorship, a lack of new season, cut content and more - and know they are fully immersed in this medium.
As an anime watcher for most of my life, I only started reading manga a year ago, I don't see the appeal of most anime series and movies, especially for a seinen fan. It's over the time where we were getting faithful seinen adaptations, like Akira and GitS, or great movie originals like Perfect Blue and Kite.
Please tell me that you're not talking about Madoka Magika.
I think you mean "pretentious", not "presumptuous." I know, that's presumptuous of me, I'm sorry.I was precisely referring to that Madoka, of course I've seen worse series which I could only stand for a few seconds but I have more aversion to overwhelming presumptuous series than plainly bad series. I've said that for mahou shoujo as I could have said Eva for mecha or AoT for shonen, but I don't care at all about those two other genres for instance.
Yes, I meant pretentious, I don't know why I switched that word. Oh, I just wanted to poke a reaction on @BakedBanana (which I got), there are more regulars that would disagree with me of course. Rather than subverted, I'd say they perverted the genre and caused a slump and/or a vicious circle. But again, it's because they annoyed me for a long time instead of being completely erased from my memory.I think you mean "pretentious", not "presumptuous." I know, that's presumptuous of me, I'm sorry.
Not gonna lie, I feel as if you are intentionally targeting me. As I really liked Madoka Magika and EVA is my best anime ever.
Not everyone will get EVA - you'll either find it the best thing to have ever happened to anime, or a total hatred for its sophisticated and unconventional narrative - and that's the charm. Not everything has to follow a recipe in order to appeal to the masses.
It's interesting that you are targeting series that subverted their genre and paved the way for new stories to be told.
I can understand why you think that in a way, still one of my favorite magical girl anime right beside Nanoha though.Yes, I meant pretentious, I don't know why I switched that word. Oh, I just wanted to poke a reaction on @BakedBanana (which I got), there are more regulars that would disagree with me of course. Rather than subverted, I'd say they perverted the genre and caused a slump and/or a vicious circle. But again, it's because they annoyed me for a long time instead of being completely erased from my memory.
..Hamatora sequel, Re:␣Hamatora, enough said.Most horrible anime you´ve ever seen
I agree with what makait said here. I'm personally more immersed in manga than in anime, so I don't have any names to give, unfortunately.A manga forum isn't the best place to ask anime question. Any conversation will naturally derail to the manga counterpart. Because most manga readers, at least in the west and I'm one of them, are people who weren't satisfied with some anime adaptation of a series they liked - be it for censorship, a lack of new season, cut content and more - and know they are fully immersed in this medium.
Or option 3 - having a mental breakdown and not actually finishing the last episode and a half tanks the entire series. Sorry, but my dislike of Eva has nothing to do with the narrative or the MC, and everything to do with how Gainax absolutely shit the bed at the end. It's not conceptual or format defying or anything visionary, it's a colossal failure on the part of the production studio. Anno bit off more than he could chew and choked on it.Not everyone will get EVA - you'll either find it the best thing to have ever happened to anime, or a total hatred for its sophisticated and unconventional narrative - and that's the charm. Not everything has to follow a recipe in order to appeal to the masses.
That's when you know something is worthwhile. You can't just erase it from memory. And people will keep debating its themes for decades to come.it's because they annoyed me for a long time instead of being completely erased from my memory.
I don't know about that. Have you heard about the Gainax ending?Or option 3 - having a mental breakdown and not actually finishing the last episode and a half tanks the entire series. Sorry, but my dislike of Eva has nothing to do with the narrative or the MC, and everything to do with how Gainax absolutely shit the bed at the end. It's not conceptual or format defying or anything visionary, it's a colossal failure on the part of the production studio. Anno bit off more than he could chew and choked on it.
That reasoning only leads to accepting as masterpieces controversial titles and the masters in that sense are hentai ones: Oni Chichi, Shoujo Ramune, Boku no Pico OVAs, etc. (those are truly memorable).That's when you know something is worthwhile. You can't just erase it from memory. And people will keep debating its themes for decades to come.
This conversation has become tiring.That reasoning only leads to accepting as masterpieces controversial titles and the masters in that sense are hentai ones: Oni Chichi, Shoujo Ramune, Boku no Pico OVAs, etc. (those are truly memorable).
For EVA, I think I need to repost the image: