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“Okaeri, Papa” - Ch. 25 - Sweet Words
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This has to be one of the most annoying "fanbases" I've seen. Just because we're seeing behind the veil since the beginning, from the perspective of the perpetrators, so many people have this know it all complex of, nah couldn't be me.
I just wonder how you would had reacted in the days of Death Note. Why is Light's dad so dumb for not realizing he's Kira when his wife was still 8 months pregnant with him? Is he stupid?
I just wonder how you would had reacted in the days of Death Note. Why is Light's dad so dumb for not realizing he's Kira when his wife was still 8 months pregnant with him? Is he stupid?
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Where did I say that?
You are both oversimplifying a complex issue and ignoring the context I used from the recent chapters.
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I kinda hope so, but considering what happened to the school prima donna...wouldn't it be a total mindfuck if the mother and daughter are just wholesome and the yandere thing was just a fakeout?
The family tree is about to turn into a mobius strip
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I am so de-attached from the family concept that I am not sure if what she's saying is good or bad
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Don't think she's trying to steal her baby if she does have bad intentions it's likely so she can use it to blackmail her to not interfere in her plans to impregnate her daughter but I wouldn't be surprised if the plan goes south and the mc doesn't go along with their plans they might steal the sisters baby if she has a son to raise him to impregnate the daughter in the future to supposedly reincarnate her deceased husband if this series doesn't take a supernatural turn with potentially doing some weird ritual to revive him then they might just simply be grasping at straws creating a fantasy for themselves in how they can bring the deceased husband back this series is messed up for alot of reasons but one of them where they likely not care too much about the mc other than just some genetic donor I'm really hope we get an in depth background who this deceased husband was and his connection to the mc
I'm unsure what the plan is, but this was expertly handled. She knew exactly what to say to her, which is solidly within the mom's characterization.
An obstacle became an ally by breaking apart a bond and then approaching the person you separated as a friend. Cause a problem, break a relationship, then appear as a savior. Instead of pouring her heart out to her brother, she poured it out to his wife, and the thing that would allow her brother to understand her actions more and grow closer is now a secret between the wife and sister, leaving that bond weakened. It's a masterful move that keeps everyone's characterization intact but changes their roles and relationships drastically.
I donno what's bad about it! What didn't you like? Talk of unwanted pregnancies and discussing abortions like they're killing a baby is manipulative, but that's the point. It can leave a bad taste in your mouth, especially since, well... you know, the state of the world, but I have a hard time seeing that as cheap or unintentional. She's making the sister think about the birth of her son, making her feel privileged to be able to get pregnant, and telling her a story that she knows can't be true but wants to be. We know the issue with her marriage will only get worse with two kids. Nothing will be better if she has this child, she already can't handle one because her husband is the second worst character in the manga because the absolute worst character in the manga is the manager.
If anything, the manipulation here is particularly powerful from a female perspective, especially a professional who may feel the societal pressure to bear children while they are of age. Turning something awful into something sacred the way this was done is genuine anti-choice rhetoric and turns something that an asshole of a manager did to her that will burden her for the rest of her life into a divine blessing that should be cherished. The reality of what childbirth and child-rearing IS gets washed away by the idea that being able to bear life at all is a precious gift, and all the sister has to do is just let the pregnancy continue and not tell anyone the truth, and everything will work itself out. Sit in this awful hole that has no exit, it's actually a wonderful place and you should be blessed to be there.
donno man I really liked it
I'm... confused by what you're saying here. How was this a cheap trick? This seed was planted a long, long time ago; and by having the thing that drove a wedge between sister and brother be the thing that makes the sister bond with the WIFE isn't weak at all, it's brilliant. It's actually classic divide and conquer; they saw the close bond between siblings, saw it threatened their plan by giving the husband an attachment and thing to worry about, so they broke the two apart. Then, with the sister alone, they went to her and convinced her that they're her ally.
An obstacle became an ally by breaking apart a bond and then approaching the person you separated as a friend. Cause a problem, break a relationship, then appear as a savior. Instead of pouring her heart out to her brother, she poured it out to his wife, and the thing that would allow her brother to understand her actions more and grow closer is now a secret between the wife and sister, leaving that bond weakened. It's a masterful move that keeps everyone's characterization intact but changes their roles and relationships drastically.
I donno what's bad about it! What didn't you like? Talk of unwanted pregnancies and discussing abortions like they're killing a baby is manipulative, but that's the point. It can leave a bad taste in your mouth, especially since, well... you know, the state of the world, but I have a hard time seeing that as cheap or unintentional. She's making the sister think about the birth of her son, making her feel privileged to be able to get pregnant, and telling her a story that she knows can't be true but wants to be. We know the issue with her marriage will only get worse with two kids. Nothing will be better if she has this child, she already can't handle one because her husband is the second worst character in the manga because the absolute worst character in the manga is the manager.
If anything, the manipulation here is particularly powerful from a female perspective, especially a professional who may feel the societal pressure to bear children while they are of age. Turning something awful into something sacred the way this was done is genuine anti-choice rhetoric and turns something that an asshole of a manager did to her that will burden her for the rest of her life into a divine blessing that should be cherished. The reality of what childbirth and child-rearing IS gets washed away by the idea that being able to bear life at all is a precious gift, and all the sister has to do is just let the pregnancy continue and not tell anyone the truth, and everything will work itself out. Sit in this awful hole that has no exit, it's actually a wonderful place and you should be blessed to be there.
donno man I really liked it
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All according to keikaku (keikaku means plan)
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I am not talking about the "divide and conquer" trope, I am talking about how it was done. There is nothing wrong with what you said, those elements are used often in literature, what I have been pointing out in this and previous threads is how poorly the author developed her ideas. I am not criticising the trope, but how she did it.
The cheap trick was how the author herself is gaslighting the sister over and over again. The brother accepted to take care of his nephew and the first thing he does is delegate the responsibility to a teenager (🚩) and she goes missing with his nephew (🚩). His sister comes back and to her surprise her brother isn't taking care of her child as he agreed on - that is already reason enough for her to be mad -, then she finds out he delegated that responsibility to a teenager that she has never seen before in her life - yet another reason for her to be mad. When the teenager is finally back with her kid, her brother doesn't have an ounce of regret (🚩) and he is literally looking at her like "we cool right?"
Afterwards, despite the sister being on the right to lash out at him, the author has put herself on a spot where she has to somehow make Miyako and Touko "right" here or at least make them come out on top, so she makes the sister overreact by a lot. It doesn't matter the build-up that the author was slowly creating for the sister to be mad: as something minor like having their mum borrow the sister's yukata to Touko or; as something major like her being pregnant with another man's child. The author: exaggerated how the sister reacted; made the brother sound like a victim without understanding the side of a mother that lost her child that was put in his care; so he could have the terrible idea to have Miyako be the peace maker.
If people don't understand how poorly written this is, either they are too young to understand how the sister is RIGHT as a mother and how the author put herself between a rock and a hard place to solve this matter and did it in one of the worst ways possible, or people have shallow text interpretation and ignored the sister as a "hysterical" person and just focused on how Miyako is so smart to have devise this plan when it is quite literally plot armour.
Also, I don't know why people think I am talking about abortions, I never mentioned abortions. It is a "so you hate waffles?" moment.
