Risou no Himo Seikatsu - Vol. 19 Ch. 77 - Rocked by the Waves

[Eloyas]

I still don't like Lucrezia and I hate how she is forcing herself into the story.

 

[Pyras]

Wish we had spent more time on the journey, but if it's uneventful then.... gotta make it more eventful instead !!! Surely there are some small conflicts to talk about :/

And, no, I don't think MC can teleport back to the ship at sea if he teleports off. That's why he thinks he could do it now since he's on land.

 

[Wizardrone]

thanks for chapter! I dont think Lucy will become Zenjiro's waifu

 

[MagnaDrake]

I'm not super disappointed, but I agree that the setting's fidelity is low. Have not the author heard about the shipboard romance? But this is literally it, and yet nothing happens until they stop at the island.

One more thing. So much effort went into setting up an unmoving fire tool with a clamp, and that Chekhov gun didn't fire? That sounds extremely suspicious, like an adaptation of an LN that skips chunks.

The trip is not over until they get back home to Capua, so plenty of time for things to go wrong. They also have like, five whole chekovs guns. At least one of them should be relevant in the near future.

 

[tammylikesart]

Man, fuck off with the blushing at nicknames. They are grown adults. And not japanese for it to make even a small amount of sense.

Well, she's isolated and ignored princess from a country that is a cross between Arabia and Vatican. You're being abit harsh.
Besides, I'm personally not opposed to female characters that are all ATC and not an atom of DEF. Even if she >is< annoying, that's just how mangas are.

Don't forget he's Prince Consort of powerful kingdom. She is, as was said, a totally out of the royal inheritance picture princess, so she is just a noble. She is also teenager. From her point of view it's totally understandable, as she is brought up in the proper etiquette of royalty, and she's trying to get close to a Prince Consort. Asking to be addressed as Lucy is absolutely against all the rules and would be even seen as going over a line. Plus she's still teenager.

 

[Nemo2342]

Skipping straight past the sea voyage so we can get right back to the politics.

 

[BlackAeronaut]

EDITING... (Stupid mouse button with unwanted double-clicks...)

 

[Grevados]

In practice, he needs to return to the same location he left from, so “from anywhere in a sea journey” overstates the case a bit. I doubt even an anchor would keep the ship in place enough.

The location doesn't actually seem to matter, even being able to cross into other worlds. The problem is that it's based on an image of where you want to go, and using a picture of the ship as a place to return to runs the risk of him ending up on a random but mostly identical ship somewhere else. Using the island gives unique scenery to help narrow down the possible exit points.

 

[Kilgard]

He got 2 days and a night to go back home and we saw none of it
Would've been nice to see him spent time with Aura and the kids

He was making the 3rd kid for sure :v

 

[BlackAeronaut]

Man, fuck off with the blushing at nicknames. They are grown adults. And not japanese for it to make even a small amount of sense.

Well, she's isolated and ignored princess from a country that is a cross between Arabia and Vatican. You're being abit harsh.
Besides, I'm personally not opposed to female characters that are all ATC and not an atom of DEF. Even if she >is< annoying, that's just how mangas are.

Don't forget he's Prince Consort of powerful kingdom. She is, as was said, a totally out of the royal inheritance picture princess, so she is just a noble. She is also teenager. From her point of view it's totally understandable, as she is brought up in the proper etiquette of royalty, and she's trying to get close to a Prince Consort. Asking to be addressed as Lucy is absolutely against all the rules and would be even seen as going over a line. Plus she's still teenager.

But we've already got evidence of the Author and Mangaka letting themselves be blinded by Japanese cultural conservancy. That being the whole thing where Zenjiro is only allowed to use a few words around his children, and never utter a word of Japanese in their presence.

The fact of the matter is that in Europe there's been more than a few monarchs who, due to intermarriage of various royal families, never spoke a word of the native language nation they ruled over.

That, and there's also the fact that multilingual families tend to be very colorful as they tend to integrate the cultures of all the languages spoken under one roof.

And if nothing else, this could prove to be a strength. If his children learn to speak Japanese from their father - a language that no one else but their father knows? Then that becomes a "secret" language that only they know. And for royals? That has endless uses.

Buuuut the mangaka and author seem to think that knowing more than one language is some weird kind of liability, because Japan. So I wouldn't deconstruct these unique-to-Japan tropes too hard.

 

[lightingcloud]

This chapter was finished last week but something came up so I uploaded 7 days late, sorry for the delay folks.

We couldn't decide what's the best approach for the new location's naming, so I just leave them as-is with the fancy letters. Feedback welcomed.

Are those polish letters?

 

[CountryMage]

Phew, only two months on a boat.

40 days to the island, then another 40 to Poland, no...?

 

[kosmaj]

He could probably do it with a Magic Tool, provided he informed Freya to anchor the boat in advance.

Even with the anchor droped, if they are in shallow water, they can move miles due to waves and wind. Pretty typical for ship with droped anchor from bow is for it's stern to "dance" around. This is why we park ships pretty far from shore to be pretty shure they won't get grounded, or we tie them to pier.

 

[S0LUS]

Re: the childish "blushing at nicknames" crap, I kinda get it since a young sheltered girl is desperately seeking ways to get closer to him & seemingly didn't expect her plan to even work necessarily, so jumping from formality and distance to what she (and only she) sees as a pet name probably would be a bit embarrassing. I'd be every bit as annoyed as others if he got shy about it as well, but I get the feeling that after his time easing into the royal etiquette / political bs his surprise was solely due to him needing to consider the potential ramifications of suddenly closing the distance with someone from another nation like that (to which he obviously figured "eh, fuck it, should be fine" lol). it's not like your typical medieval-european themed isekai world where the characters are doing dungeon raids & shit that logically requires fast communication, yet insisting on using full names because the author didn't even consider the concept that such a fantasy world would have zero reason to follow that aspect of jp social etiquette & the natives would have no reason to get embarrassed over any nickname aside from, like, the mc suddenly calling someone who isn't his girlfriend "babygirl" or whatever lol. that kind of characterization just feels kinda dumb in those stories, but people on the political stage needing to consider that kind of thing ends up seeming surprisingly well thought-out instead of just looking like the author didn't consider that not everyone follows japanese logic, lol

But we've already got evidence of the Author and Mangaka letting themselves be blinded by Japanese cultural conservancy. That being the whole thing where Zenjiro is only allowed to use a few words around his children, and never utter a word of Japanese in their presence.

The fact of the matter is that in Europe there's been more than a few monarchs who, due to intermarriage of various royal families, never spoke a word of the native language nation they ruled over.

That, and there's also the fact that multilingual families tend to be very colorful as they tend to integrate the cultures of all the languages spoken under one roof.

And if nothing else, this could prove to be a strength. If his children learn to speak Japanese from their father - a language that no one else but their father knows? Then that becomes a "secret" language that only they know. And for royals? That has endless uses.

Buuuut the mangaka and author seem to think that knowing more than one language is some weird kind of liability, because Japan. So I wouldn't deconstruct these unique-to-Japan tropes too hard.

i do agree with a lot of this, though. "let's bring in an outsider from another world to add to our lineage for [reasons established at the start] but prevent said outsider from contributing anything else since we just want their magical abilities or whatever" feels bizarre when given much thought. I just reread ch.1 in case there was something I was forgetting & it was basically only "someone with magical ability who won't wanna interfere with the queen's rule" & yeah, I guess the whole premise was not wanting anything from him whatsoever except to keep the bloodline from ending, but it still just feels... off? I mean, sure, I don't expect royals with longstanding traditions to fully upend said traditions on a whim just because there's someone new around, or (more specifically regarding family operations) swap from using nannies most of the time while the king & queen work to operating as a stereotypical nuclear family from our world with 24/7 access to the kids, but it definitely feels like bringing in someone completely removed from your world's common sense is a bit wasted if the only outsider info you're taking advantage of is... *checks notes* the marbles he brought and his vague idea on how they're made? like, really? you already got kids from him like you wanted & he's full of other potentially useful info, he's thoroughly proved himself at this point imo & isn't gonna suddenly betray you or make a power grab; if you're not at least picking his brain regularly to see how things are done differently in the world so allegedly superior that your own royal family escaped to there a few generations ago (before things went to shit here & made you decide to bring their descendants back to fix shit) then you're basically wasting your most powerful asset, is all...

 

[vergotear]

Actually not very likely.
As a character, she didn't exist during the web novel version of this, so it is actually unlikely that she is that hard in the main cast

And Freya was not in the web novel either, was a later addition in the LN and here we have her soon to marry Zenjirou as a concubine. So?

 

[CountryMage]

But we've already got evidence of the Author and Mangaka letting themselves be blinded by Japanese cultural conservancy. That being the whole thing where Zenjiro is only allowed to use a few words around his children, and never utter a word of Japanese in their presence.

The fact of the matter is that in Europe there's been more than a few monarchs who, due to intermarriage of various royal families, never spoke a word of the native language nation they ruled over.

That, and there's also the fact that multilingual families tend to be very colorful as they tend to integrate the cultures of all the languages spoken under one roof.

And if nothing else, this could prove to be a strength. If his children learn to speak Japanese from their father - a language that no one else but their father knows? Then that becomes a "secret" language that only they know. And for royals? That has endless uses.

Buuuut the mangaka and author seem to think that knowing more than one language is some weird kind of liability, because Japan. So I wouldn't deconstruct these unique-to-Japan tropes too hard.

Language is automatically translated in the world, but if the kids grow up speaking Japanese it may introduce weird habits that aren't consistent with their cultural upbringing, or give mistranslations to anyone they speak to. This was explained at some point.

 

[CountryMage]

Even with the anchor droped, if they are in shallow water, they can move miles due to waves and wind. Pretty typical for ship with droped anchor from bow is for it's stern to "dance" around. This is why we park ships pretty far from shore to be pretty shure they won't get grounded, or we tie them to pier.

The Sea of Calm magic tool that they made a very big deal out of receiving from the Sharowa-Jilbell kingdom was for stopping the sea and wind in the area around the ship.

 

[w3searcher]

We didn't need to spend a volume on the boat, but I was expecting to get at least something during the trip or even the quick trip home.

 

[IdidNineEleven]

We couldn't decide what's the best approach for the new location's naming, so I just leave them as-is with the fancy letters. Feedback welcomed.

I think the localisation of the placenames (Valencia, Pomorze) duly pays most respect to the mangaka (although the "fancy letter" spam almost seems like mockery of Japanese). But in the past you made this statement https://forums.mangadex.org/threads...-vol-18-ch-76-departure.2315901/post-26691972 and are now going back on it, putting "fancy letters" in place of boring 1:1 transliteration of the katakana. You better be consistent from hereon, lest I cast male pregnancy upon you!

 

[BlackAeronaut]

Language is automatically translated in the world, but if the kids grow up speaking Japanese it may introduce weird habits that aren't consistent with their cultural upbringing, or give mistranslations to anyone they speak to. This was explained at some point.

That's easily resolved with proper education. So long as their teachers are aware of the outside influence, they can correct the children as they teach them.

Remember that the translation magic applies to Zenjirou and Zenjirou alone. If anyone else (or even any*thing* else) uses the foreign words he uses, then they won't hear the translation. And thus, the ability to correct the children by way of education.

And it will help if they're at least given a safe heaven to "be themselves" (e.g.: the Inner Palace where Zenjiro keeps all of his stuff from Japan). Eventually they'll come to understand why the need for such strict rules exists.

And like I said, it's not like we haven't had real life examples of cultural contamination through the very Royalty itself. It happened all the time in Europe. Contrast with Asian nations like China or Japan where, during their medieval periods, they often set out to exterminate anything that was foreign. Hell, China is still at it with the oppression of the Uyghurs. (No, not saying this is the case here, just that Japanese and Chinese culture in general kinda has a cognitive blind spot WRT multiculturalism.)

But that's just the Doylist side.

From a Watsonian perspective, I can kinda see it because, even though the nations and cultures are being based off of Europe of the Iron Age, this setting has a long-standing tradition of keeping royal bloodlines pure because they didn't want anyone else gaining access to magics that have been held exclusively for hundreds of years.

But, as S0LUS points out in their post, this should have been something that was not only expected, but even embraced.

And, to whit, there was that one point where Aura apologizes to Zenjirou for getting him involved in politics even though she promised not to. To which, Zenjirou shocks her by glibly stating that he never expected her to be able to keep that promise.

And then there was that conversation (I think it was between Giuseppe and Bruno) where they came to the conclusion that Zenjirou has a very different set of values, and that they should be extremely careful in dealing with him, or else they might wind up on his bad side. (And we've seen in this chapter they're already so deathly afraid of this now that they don't want to meet him without Aura there to help give them contextual cues.)

Which is a roundabout way for the mangaka and author to acknowledge that there would be no avoiding cross-contamination. So what I'm hoping for is that this is just a passing thing that Aura and her advisors come around on, and the Author and Mangaka are only doing this because of the setting alone (that being values that sprung up around the enforced isolation of royal families), and not some deep-seated notion that cultural cross contamination should be avoided.