S-Kyuu Boukensha ga Ayumu Michi: Tsuihou Sareta Shounen wa Shin no Nouryoku 'Buki Master' de Sekai Saikyou ni Itaru - Ch. 2.3

[Kibou]

I am not saying she is at all in the right as she is not...but we don't REALLY know what happened in the span of the 2 years they were not talking. All we know is that she didn't talk to him nor did he talk to her. For all we know her and her team were nowhere near where he was the entire time OR if she went back to the same town with the guildmaster they both talk to then he may not have been around. Ships in the night kind of deal. That's why the guildmaster is the one who keeps telling him things from Sasha's perspective since she most likely talked to him. OR Sasha is just a really shy and timid girl on the inside and is too afraid of him blowing up like he just did to her. Again, not justifying her since she is very much in the wrong for not being the type of person who would swallow that pride and just talk to him, but she is also still a very young teen. We also don't know if anyone was actively trying to stop her from talking to MC or if they were spreading malicious rumors to make MC even more angry.

I think what gets me in this whole thing is that she thinks that she can continue following the dream of 2 people saying "our dream" when 1 of those 2 is no longer there. He is very much right about the fact it is now just her dream she is pursuing instead of their dream. I hope that becomes a wake up call for her to realize the situation.

I think that if it was just about the expulsion from the group, she would have already gone to talk to him, but there's also the part about the animal attack, which was her fault even if she didn't know about the presence of such a thing in the place.
So I think she didn't go talk to him personally because she was afraid that he would reject her coldly, since they were both very close childhood friends.

 

[Kingdo]

Did she even feel bad in the first place? Or is she just apologizing now to recruit him now that he’s stronger than her entire team?

Yeah, she did. From her POV, she was truly ashamed of herself and scared to confront him, thus she avoids him and act as if nothing happen. When the summoning happen, she was in the same place with him and thought she could finally apologize.
She also wants him back since he is strong enough to not be a companion who need to be protected anymore.

@equationx @Rafalga

Spoiler: Novel

What do you guys think of Sasha as a character? I’m currently reading the novel (I’m on chapter 236), and while she has a few moments here and there, I can’t help but find her annoying. She constantly butts into things, and frankly, all the other female characters introduced so far feel more interesting and compelling than she does.

I'm in the middle of the novel, and I find her selfish and delusional. She isn't evil, but in all her pov, it's only her, her, her and only her. Her feeling, her fear, her guilt, her hopes, she doesn't think about MC at all.

• She is scared that he will die, she feels better knowing he is on the side, so she expels him
• She feels that as long as she lives their dreams, she will be satisfied, so he will too.
• She feels sad for him who didn't abandon his dream like she thought, so she helps him with incomplete information that will almost kill him
• She feels guilty about it, so she chooses to leave for a quest to not have to deal with him right now.
• She still feels guilty, so when she came back and saw him, it was easier to simply act like nothing happen than confront him.
• She feels that now that he is strong, she doesn't need to protect him, so he can come back to the team and continue their dream.
• She feels that being a solo adventurer doesn't work in the long run, so when he realizes that, she will accept him in her team again.

In all that, she doesn't try to put herself in his shoes. Not only, she somehow feels like he is just putting a tantrum and will come back later, she dare to feel jealous of the few friends he made. She has a serious lack of empathy.

 

[Rezael]

I think nothing would have changed if they had stayed there with him until he got better, because with the point of his expulsion, the guy was thinking that she was trying to get rid of him by sending him to that place.
So even if they tried to apologize and say the real reason for the expulsion and also tell about the case of the beast in that place, he wouldn't believe it, the guy wouldn't believe it.

Actually I disagree cause at the very least even if he was angry the apology would’ve been sincere. He would’ve been able to let out everything he was feeling at the time. And hear her feeling if she was there next to him apologizing He could very least come to terms with the fact that she still cares about him. And while he may not have accept the apology he maybe still couldve seen her as friend.

And he already knows the reason why he was exiled that what pissing him off. Sasha cut off for being weak! And while she may done so because she didn’t want him to die she still did so forsaking there dream!

If she came to him with her honest feeling and fear they could’ve found another way.

But saying that she was gonna make there dream come true for his sake just made mad even more

Cause how could it have been there dream if she was doing by herself.

And her not being there during the accident just made those feeling worst!

 

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Spoiler

I see. I don't hate her either; I just think that, as far as I've read, she's annoying. It really got on my nerves when Sasha: meddled in the Sky Labyrinth; tried to get involved in Claire's training and also tried to recruit her into her clan; and when she got in Hyce's way while he was trying to exterminate the 40 thieves. But it's good to know that she'll improve as a character.

Just one more thing: it seems to me that after Hyce and Sasha completed the Sky Labyrinth together, the original premise of Hyce trying to clear the labyrinths on his own is completely dropped. Am I right?

Spoiler

it's true but also not

1. Hyce actually in the beginning still want to clear labyrinth solo
2. He actually mellowed out a lot later on, but still have his firm stance
3. And this is half the reason why he didn't solo the labyrinth, after sky labyrinth, the labyrinth later on can't be cleared alone, being in a team is a requirement, not even because he can't handle the enemy solo, it's the labyrinth system

Yeah, she did. From her POV, she was truly ashamed of herself and scared to confront him, thus she avoids him and act as if nothing happen. When the summoning happen, she was in the same place with him and thought she could finally apologize.
She also wants him back since he is strong enough to not be a companion who need to be protected anymore.


I'm in the middle of the novel, and I find her selfish and delusional. She isn't evil, but in all her pov, it's only her, her, her and only her. Her feeling, her fear, her guilt, her hopes, she doesn't think about MC at all.

• She is scared that he will die, she feels better knowing he is on the side, so she expels him
• She feels that as long as she lives their dreams, she will be satisfied, so he will too.
• She feels sad for him who didn't abandon his dream like she thought, so she helps him with incomplete information that will almost kill him
• She feels guilty about it, so she chooses to leave for a quest to not have to deal with him right now.
• She still feels guilty, so when she came back and saw him, it was easier to simply act like nothing happen than confront him.
• She feels that now that he is strong, she doesn't need to protect him, so he can come back to the team and continue their dream.
• She feels that being a solo adventurer doesn't work in the long run, so when he realizes that, she will accept him in her team again.

In all that, she doesn't try to put herself in his shoes. Not only, she somehow feels like he is just putting a tantrum and will come back later, she dare to feel jealous of the few friends he made. She has a serious lack of empathy.

Spoiler

and you're not wrong, it's actually pretty bad on top of that, and all of those actually mostly because of piazolla and reynold (he really wants to get into her pants, despite all of his good intention, but he's not like other exile series where the male that are part of the party is a genuine scumbag and would do anything to achieve it, reynold is just a dick that knew if hyce isn't in the clan, he gets more chance, and he did)
they basically sugarcoat her mistake by saying it's not, or it's not that bad, or that it's actually for the best

that's why her retrospect actually better when she's talking with someone like tycoon that actually does pamper her a bit, but also blunt at the same time, or when other heroines basically shot down all of her crap opinion

 

[Rezael]

Yeah, she did. From her POV, she was truly ashamed of herself and scared to confront him, thus she avoids him and act as if nothing happen. When the summoning happen, she was in the same place with him and thought she could finally apologize.
She also wants him back since he is strong enough to not be a companion who need to be protected anymore.


I'm in the middle of the novel, and I find her selfish and delusional. She isn't evil, but in all her pov, it's only her, her, her and only her. Her feeling, her fear, her guilt, her hopes, she doesn't think about MC at all.

• She is scared that he will die, she feels better knowing he is on the side, so she expels him
• She feels that as long as she lives their dreams, she will be satisfied, so he will too.
• She feels sad for him who didn't abandon his dream like she thought, so she helps him with incomplete information that will almost kill him
• She feels guilty about it, so she chooses to leave for a quest to not have to deal with him right now.
• She still feels guilty, so when she came back and saw him, it was easier to simply act like nothing happen than confront him.
• She feels that now that he is strong, she doesn't need to protect him, so he can come back to the team and continue their dream.
• She feels that being a solo adventurer doesn't work in the long run, so when he realizes that, she will accept him in her team again.

In all that, she doesn't try to put herself in his shoes. Not only, she somehow feels like he is just putting a tantrum and will come back later, she dare to feel jealous of the few friends he made. She has a serious lack of empathy.

Aren’t the last two because she got gaslight by her team members in attempt to make her feel better trying to shift the blame off her? I don’t remember who but I’m almost positive those aren’t Sasha original thoughts. Or am I wrong on that?

I think first one was either tycoon and robin

And the second was because of Reynolds?

 

[Arrokasa]

Might just be the most cringe MC I’ve seen in a good long while

 

[nesperimus]

I kinda expected Hyce to also question Sasha's intention in this confrontation. Like, he thinks Sasha doesn't actually feels any remorse, she just wants Hyce back on the team now that he's strong and worthy.

 

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Aren’t the last two because she got gaslight by her team members in attempt to make her feel better trying to shift the blame off her? I don’t remember who but I’m almost positive those aren’t Sasha original thoughts. Or am I wrong on that?

I think first one was either tycoon and robin

And the second was because of Reynolds?

Spoiler

the first one isn't either tycoon and robin, tycoon just don't want hyce to die because hyce blessing is still not activated
robin have always been against the expelling, in fact, tycoon and robin are of those that are even in sasha own clan that goes "if we didn't expel hyce, he probably could've his blessing activated like how we teach these new adventurers in our clan", he's in agreement that he didn't have the time to do it at the time but at least he knew it wasn't the best option they choose

the first one and second one are all both highly supported by reynold and piazolla, most of the issue are always gaslit by these two, reynold because he wants the affection point, piazolla is the same, but does it even worse

 

[Rezael]

Spoiler

it's true but also not

1. Hyce actually in the beginning still want to clear labyrinth solo
2. He actually mellowed out a lot later on, but still have his firm stance
3. And this is half the reason why he didn't solo the labyrinth, after sky labyrinth, the labyrinth later on can't be cleared alone, being in a team is a requirement, not even because he can't handle the enemy solo, it's the labyrinth system

Spoiler

and you're not wrong, it's actually pretty bad on top of that, and all of those actually mostly because of piazolla and reynold (he really wants to get into her pants, despite all of his good intention, but he's not like other exile series where the male that are part of the party is a genuine scumbag and would do anything to achieve it, reynold is just a dick that knew if hyce isn't in the clan, he gets more chance, and he did)
they basically sugarcoat her mistake by saying it's not, or it's not that bad, or that it's actually for the best

that's why her retrospect actually better when she's talking with someone like tycoon that actually does pamper her a bit, but also blunt at the same time, or when other heroines basically shot down all of her crap opinion

which make her rejection of the two, and her later realization of there bond much better.
I really hated it at the beginning especially Reynold frame it as kindness that he got exiled. Yes he may have awaken his ability because of it be had to go through hell to do. All while wondering why he got abandoned. And why Sasha gave up on there dream.

just because a good thing happen doesn’t mean the bad thing goes away

And even if it was a accident that does change that the circumstances that lead to where create by sacred.

But I felt like the disregard that. Piasolla seem like she was making a jab at him. Because he was stronger, like she was trying to puff out her chest.
Because they so desperately wanted to get with Sasha.
Your former teammate nearly die because of you does that not mean anything at all?

And because of there sugar coating it cause indirectly to make a giant mistake because of it. And force her to really think more about hyce because of it

 

[Cz760]

Knowing the context, I can't really see a way forward for Sasha to redeem herself, especially with how it all must look in Hyce's eye. He was expelled from the party after being abused for his weakness, he spent ages on his own, with stagnant progress, only able to kill goblins and gather herbs while everyone around talked down to him and treated him as weak, he got 'advice' from Sasha, a high level experienced adventurer that put him in the crosshairs of a powerful dragon that nearly murdered him and left him permanently crippled, and then, after the fact, she just avoided him for two years to avoid taking accountability. And the first time she talks to him, it's during their S-rank event, where he managed to catch up and surpass them, and only then does she take the opportunity to apologize. In that moment, with his beliefs in his former party's selfishness festering for two years uninterrupted by any efforts to right the wrong, she probably seemed even more selfish and uncaring than ever before, because she only took the chance to apologize now that he was stronger than all of them, treating him like her mistake was something that could be hand-waved away, and wasn't the tipping point of years worth of abuse and mistreatment.

 

[Kurovah]

I'm not really seeing edgy here, If he was truly edgy then he would be throwing the weak by the wayside, but here he seems like a self-destructive paladin. The reconciliation is going to take a long time as well.

 

[soladox]

Yeah this is the chuuni shit i live for

 

[phorx]

Yeah, she did. From her POV, she was truly ashamed of herself and scared to confront him, thus she avoids him and act as if nothing happen. When the summoning happen, she was in the same place with him and thought she could finally apologize.
She also wants him back since he is strong enough to not be a companion who need to be protected anymore.


I'm in the middle of the novel, and I find her selfish and delusional. She isn't evil, but in all her pov, it's only her, her, her and only her. Her feeling, her fear, her guilt, her hopes, she doesn't think about MC at all.

• She is scared that he will die, she feels better knowing he is on the side, so she expels him
• She feels that as long as she lives their dreams, she will be satisfied, so he will too.
• She feels sad for him who didn't abandon his dream like she thought, so she helps him with incomplete information that will almost kill him
• She feels guilty about it, so she chooses to leave for a quest to not have to deal with him right now.
• She still feels guilty, so when she came back and saw him, it was easier to simply act like nothing happen than confront him.
• She feels that now that he is strong, she doesn't need to protect him, so he can come back to the team and continue their dream.
• She feels that being a solo adventurer doesn't work in the long run, so when he realizes that, she will accept him in her team again.

In all that, she doesn't try to put herself in his shoes. Not only, she somehow feels like he is just putting a tantrum and will come back later, she dare to feel jealous of the few friends he made. She has a serious lack of empathy.

This means that she has a complete lack of empathy in every sense of the word. She may fit the clinical definition of a narcissist.

 

[Rezael]

This means that she has a complete lack of empathy in every sense of the word. She may fit the clinical definition of a narcissist.

I know what your getting at but I think it more she both not honest and too straight forward for her own good.

A lot of the circumstances came from good intentions but done in a horrible way that just added fuel for the fire.

It kinda like a bull in a china shop

Try as the bull might to try and leave the store without breaking anything. It end breaking the china

Sasha wanted to have Haise best interest in mind and felt sadness and regret and was trying to fix it.

But did it a horrible and careless way
She didn’t think about how Hyse would feel about it

 

[wallsg]

The audacity of the girl the claim "it's for the good of OUR dream/future" when the MC is no longer part of that dream is actually the part that pisses me off more

You can tell by shock symbol that she hadn't considered that. She was only thinking about the end goal of the promise being creating a world where people would go through the same thing they did, while he had always viewed doing it together. This is why she thought that he would be happy as long as she was able to fulfill the end goal.

 

[wallsg]

2 years and she still didn't apologize....no wonder he won't forgive her. Also I REALLY want him use other weapons than just guns https://images.app.goo.gl/53YXGq8xn6kA6bsv8

Even though it's armor, it could be considered a weapons platform of sorts...

 

[wallsg]

Someone, would you kindly explain this Flipz meme to me?

 

[Francis]

I understand him a bit better now, but still...

Spoiler

 

[wallsg]

No he is literally a weapon master. Anything you see being used in an army, he can summon and use it (though over time, hence the "i need to decipher the book" comment). Yes, including those...

Even the old Davy Crokett Weapon System, with a yield of 20 tons of TNT? Or does it have to be something he can hold?

 

[wallsg]

Yes Sasha spesificly has a cheat power. There are literally just 2 other sword masters in the world. Sasha hard carries her party (fighting power wise) and they are mostly there for basic support and not getting themselfs killed in the process. She is pretty useless when it comes to anything other then fighting though so she needs them unlike Hyce who has every neccesary knowledge to stay solo.

She would be entirely helpless if she decided to go solo like he did at this point. She is so depanded on them.

Spoilerish...