Shuumatsu no Walküre - Vol. 9 Ch. 34 - Conflict of Interest
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Awright, I get it. So he's more on the scale of Jesus, in a way. A human who reached a semi-divine state, but got promoted to godhood by some. That clears some questions as to why he's around, at any rate. ^.- Thanks.
Awright, I get it. So he's more on the scale of Jesus, in a way. A human who reached a semi-divine state, but got promoted to godhood by some. That clears some questions as to why he's around, at any rate. ^.- Thanks.
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@quitelot88 idk why people like you don't get it. He's not just the strongest sumo wrestler to ever live, he is imbued with the power of a Valkyrie. Valkyries in this story are demi-gods with the power to combine themselves with a human they are on the same wave length with. I agree that if you were to look at it with no context, then yes a human should have no where near the power of a god. Within the context of the story, if you paid any attention at all, you would have realized why he is able to fight/overpower the god, without me having to explain this.
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in Buddhist cosmology, there are six realm:
-the god / angel (deva)
-the jealous god / titan / demi god (asura)
-the human
-the animal
-the ghost
-the hell
A being's karma (previous actions and thoughts) determines which of the six domains it will be reborn into after death.
And highest rank is Buddhahood/Nirvana/...idk, you escape circle of death and reborn
-the god / angel (deva)
-the jealous god / titan / demi god (asura)
-the human
-the animal
-the ghost
-the hell
A being's karma (previous actions and thoughts) determines which of the six domains it will be reborn into after death.
And highest rank is Buddhahood/Nirvana/...idk, you escape circle of death and reborn
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Nah Jesus was basically the result of God forcing himself on a 13 y/o little girl. He is the result of a fucking rape lmao.
Accounts state that at the time of her betrothal to Joseph, Mary was 12–14 years old.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary,_mother_of_Jesus
Accounts state that at the time of her betrothal to Joseph, Mary was 12–14 years old.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary,_mother_of_Jesus
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i can't think about kondo and hijikata without thinking about a gorilla and mayonnaise. Gintama has greatly affected my perception of these characters.
Also I don't see shiva losing cuz ya know god of destruction and all and why is Buddha so cool.
Also I don't see shiva losing cuz ya know god of destruction and all and why is Buddha so cool.
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it should be illegal to make buddha this fuckin cool
whats not cool is making shiva this much of a pushover, dude shouldve obliterated raiden in 1 panel..
whats not cool is making shiva this much of a pushover, dude shouldve obliterated raiden in 1 panel..
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Divinity doesn't mean godhood. A human that becomes a god, isn't like a god born as one. For example. There was a "journey" involved with becoming a god for Heracles/Hercules. Same thing with Buddha, he started out as a person deep in human suffering and came out as "divine". Zeus was born from his father who was already a god in Chronos. They were born from the universe itself, or from beings that already came from the universe.
Humans were created by gods and human suffering exists because of a penalty placed by gods. So "Gods" like Buddha had to earn their spot, Hercules had labors for example. Gods didn't have to suffer to gain their divinity, humans did.
Divinity doesn't mean godhood. A human that becomes a god, isn't like a god born as one. For example. There was a "journey" involved with becoming a god for Heracles/Hercules. Same thing with Buddha, he started out as a person deep in human suffering and came out as "divine". Zeus was born from his father who was already a god in Chronos. They were born from the universe itself, or from beings that already came from the universe.
Humans were created by gods and human suffering exists because of a penalty placed by gods. So "Gods" like Buddha had to earn their spot, Hercules had labors for example. Gods didn't have to suffer to gain their divinity, humans did.
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@Davy0 couple arguments to make, there's still a fallacy in your example because these are 2 very different pantheons and beliefs, but I understand what you mean, and according to this series they technically co-exist anyways. Another is that, even within this series, Hercules is still welcomed and labeled as a god. In buddhism itself, life is suffering, which is why the goal for most ascetic buddhist is to reach nirvana, and disconnect from life and even avoid reincarnation to a new life. Very broad way of explaining it, but that's the general idea.
Overall, of course I won't deny Buddha was originally a human, that's obvious. But generally a god can be explained in many ways, one of which involves the fact that being is worshiped, praised, admired, and/or generally immortalized as a principle object of faith. Buddha itself, is much less even a name but a title endowed to Siddhartha once he has reached nirvana. Like giving a title, it's essentially a label that defines him as a being above humans i.e a god.
Overall, of course I won't deny Buddha was originally a human, that's obvious. But generally a god can be explained in many ways, one of which involves the fact that being is worshiped, praised, admired, and/or generally immortalized as a principle object of faith. Buddha itself, is much less even a name but a title endowed to Siddhartha once he has reached nirvana. Like giving a title, it's essentially a label that defines him as a being above humans i.e a god.
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You're not understanding what I'm saying. Buddha and Heracles had to earn their divinity. They can be "welcomed" however they wished as they earned the right to become gods, but they know what human suffering is.
The "Natural" gods didn't earn their powers, they were born with them, these are two different principles. I'll give you an example.
If you were born into wealth, would you appreciate what it took to gain that money moreso than if you earned it?
You're not understanding what I'm saying. Buddha and Heracles had to earn their divinity. They can be "welcomed" however they wished as they earned the right to become gods, but they know what human suffering is.
The "Natural" gods didn't earn their powers, they were born with them, these are two different principles. I'll give you an example.
If you were born into wealth, would you appreciate what it took to gain that money moreso than if you earned it?
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@Davy0 No, you don't understand. It doesn't matter if they were humans before, they did ascend to godhood. They are gods now. I understand when you meant Hercules was a "demi-god" but that's only by the fact, by lore, he is the son of Zeus and the human Alcmene, but in this instance, he literally did ascend to becoming a god. Same for Buddha, who even by lore has become a god. I seriously don't know what you're arguing this for. Are you saying, despite all the trials they went through, ascended to a higher plane, became recognized and worshiped as a god, they're still humans? When did I ever say Buddha was a primordial god of some sort? In fact, I literally paraphrased his lore itself as a human to reaching nirvana.
I'll pander to you then.
Alright, personally I would of course appreciate what it took to gain it. My parents are first generation immigrants, and we manage to live in a duplex, as opposed to most of my other friends who are children of immigrants that live in a 4 1/2 apartments. Whether I feel if I earned it or not, would be determined more by whether I use it for my own indulgence or in investment.
Now let me try to predict your analogy. I'm gonna guess you're going to say something superficial as; Neither Buddha or Hercules were directly born to godhood, so they are not exactly gods, but they earned the title of being a god. Okay, then what the fuck even is your argument then? On one hand, you're saying Buddha isn't a god because he was originally human, same for Hercules, but you're also not denying the fact they have ascended to god hood. By the way, neither Buddha nor Hercules directly wished to become gods whatsoever. In fact, even Hercules' original lore had nothing to do with becoming a god. His 12 trials were a scheme made by Hera, but Hercules believed it to be reprimand for the madness Hera placed onto him, that led to the murder of his own wife and child. Buddha didn't aim to become god, he simply meditated on the suffering in the world, while under the Bohdi tree, was tempted by Mara but denied all of them, thus extinguishing the three poisons, realize the four noble truths, and finally reached enlightenment. You are actively denying the idea of them being recognized as gods for the sake of proving what? That they were once humans? Okay, but they literally still became gods regardless of your argument. Heck, Hercules just became a god after being burned on a pyre, and incinerating his mortal body and allowing his god side to ascend into Olympus. So even then, he has technically become the same kind of god that you exemplify Zeus to be. He is the son of a god, was only bound to a mortal realm by his mortal half, but once that is gone he becomes the same kind of god as Zeus, born into it naturally.
I'll pander to you then.
Alright, personally I would of course appreciate what it took to gain it. My parents are first generation immigrants, and we manage to live in a duplex, as opposed to most of my other friends who are children of immigrants that live in a 4 1/2 apartments. Whether I feel if I earned it or not, would be determined more by whether I use it for my own indulgence or in investment.
Now let me try to predict your analogy. I'm gonna guess you're going to say something superficial as; Neither Buddha or Hercules were directly born to godhood, so they are not exactly gods, but they earned the title of being a god. Okay, then what the fuck even is your argument then? On one hand, you're saying Buddha isn't a god because he was originally human, same for Hercules, but you're also not denying the fact they have ascended to god hood. By the way, neither Buddha nor Hercules directly wished to become gods whatsoever. In fact, even Hercules' original lore had nothing to do with becoming a god. His 12 trials were a scheme made by Hera, but Hercules believed it to be reprimand for the madness Hera placed onto him, that led to the murder of his own wife and child. Buddha didn't aim to become god, he simply meditated on the suffering in the world, while under the Bohdi tree, was tempted by Mara but denied all of them, thus extinguishing the three poisons, realize the four noble truths, and finally reached enlightenment. You are actively denying the idea of them being recognized as gods for the sake of proving what? That they were once humans? Okay, but they literally still became gods regardless of your argument. Heck, Hercules just became a god after being burned on a pyre, and incinerating his mortal body and allowing his god side to ascend into Olympus. So even then, he has technically become the same kind of god that you exemplify Zeus to be. He is the son of a god, was only bound to a mortal realm by his mortal half, but once that is gone he becomes the same kind of god as Zeus, born into it naturally.
Hercules still had to prove himself with the labors. To our knowledge, gods did not have to prove themselves. It showcases why they may have more sympathy than gods do.
They've ascended into divinity, but they aren't primordial beings, they've only existed for as long as human representation allowed them to. They, in this instance, are still descendants of Adam, for example. So they aren't traditionalist gods. They are "human" gods who are divine in the aspect that they earned it, but they aren't gods as what comes from the universe. They are "gods" but they aren't, they had to earn their place in the pantheon, it wasn't automatic.
Notice how most of the gods could give two fucks about humans, but the gods that seem to most give a fuck are two gods that were already human and thus understand human suffering.
It's basically like Goku and Vegeta gaining Godly Ki, they aren't considered gods, they are still considered mortals. But now they have a divine aspect.
They've ascended into divinity, but they aren't primordial beings, they've only existed for as long as human representation allowed them to. They, in this instance, are still descendants of Adam, for example. So they aren't traditionalist gods. They are "human" gods who are divine in the aspect that they earned it, but they aren't gods as what comes from the universe. They are "gods" but they aren't, they had to earn their place in the pantheon, it wasn't automatic.
Notice how most of the gods could give two fucks about humans, but the gods that seem to most give a fuck are two gods that were already human and thus understand human suffering.
It's basically like Goku and Vegeta gaining Godly Ki, they aren't considered gods, they are still considered mortals. But now they have a divine aspect.
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