The Saga of Tanya the Evil - Vol. 23 Ch. 69 - The Southern Campaign IX

[GridLite]

I think they were replying to you intentionally. I'm not sure specifically who the "his" in "his stories" is, but it'd either be Romel or Cain (I expect it was Cain). Ciaphas Cain is, as they mentioned, another humorous general in a work of fiction who has a way of succeeding through funny means (I think so at least. I haven't actually read any of the books he's in, which I think is exactly what the other commenter was saying)

Pretty much.
Your description of Romel basically went "wait, isn't that how people describe Ciaphas Cain?" in my head

my brain is not braining lmao considering i don't know the lore of warhammer 40k so i'm waiting for caville's warhammer live action(if that's even happening)

 

[Deathhappens]

Why did Rommel "retreat forward" again?

Also here for Tank Desant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_desant

Artillery won't shell their own frontline, therefore the closer you are to the enemy the less likely you are to get shelled. It's not exactly a sound stratagem (rushing towards the enemy just makes it easier for them to ambush you down the line) but in this instance at least it seems it worked.

 

[Deathhappens]

I did not read his stories yet, but isn't that Ciaphas Cain, Hero of the Empire's whole deal too?

No, Ciaphas Cain is a Commissar, not a general. He's a political officer. His "thing" is that despite being a coward at heart who tries to avoid danger and stick to the back lines (just like Tanya), he always somehow manages to stumble directly into the conspiracy/alien force/flanking maneuver of the enemy instead, which is what makes people believe he's a selfless hero of the Imperium who wants nothing more than to "get stuck in" and thus more frontline assignments.

In his defense, he really does fight the enemy whenever he comes up against something and has personally faced more horrors (a Tyrannid Genestealar Patriarch, an Ork Warboss, several Chaos Space Marines and even a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh) in personal combat (though usually with the help of his aide). But he's nothing like Rommel here, who is a perfectly capable general who's just a bit eccentric.

 

[1234muse]

goddamnit, she didn't need to get rid of the funny leg exosuits.
sad

 

[Taqim2609]

Waw England in real world and in the manga is too much similarities is this al right 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[arimareiji]

Waw England in real world and in the manga is too much similarities is this al right 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Wait until you watch Code Geass and see that the maps they use at the beginning to show the evil Britannia starting a war with poor innocent Japan to steal their "sakuradite" (oil) are relabeled maps of the last years of WW2. Not to mention the other inverted parallels, like Japan being beloved for trying to organize its fellow nations to prosper against the evil Britannia empire (versus the actual Japanese-empire-expanding invasions of Asia that got them viscerally hated for war crimes like the R*pe of Nanking, enslaving thousands of "comfort women" to be r*ped by Japanese soldiers, and killing more Chinese civilians than Hitler killed Jews).

 

[Red225]

Why did Rommel "retreat forward" again?

Also here for Tank Desant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_desant

They were advancing slowly and the artillery fire escalated far beyond what was expected.
The initial plan looked to be attacking the defensive lines with tank column followed with infantry, but when the artillery increased, the only option was to retreat or advance - and if they'd retreated it'd have turned into a battlefield stalemate with them having lost large numbers of manpower. The Empire has a lot of tanks and manpower, but very little static defenses or artillery, and they'd lose an archery duel. Rommel's best when on the move, so and his "advance" sensor was triggered, so he just charged.

Risky business, but it worked.

 

[YoraeRasante]

No, Ciaphas Cain is a Commissar, not a general. He's a political officer. His "thing" is that despite being a coward at heart who tries to avoid danger and stick to the back lines (just like Tanya), he always somehow manages to stumble directly into the conspiracy/alien force/flanking maneuver of the enemy instead, which is what makes people believe he's a selfless hero of the Imperium who wants nothing more than to "get stuck in" and thus more frontline assignments.

In his defense, he really does fight the enemy whenever he comes up against something and has personally faced more horrors (a Tyrannid Genestealar Patriarch, an Ork Warboss, several Chaos Space Marines and even a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh) in personal combat (though usually with the help of his aide). But he's nothing like Rommel here, who is a perfectly capable general who's just a bit eccentric.

Wait...
...
So Tanya is the actual Ciaphas Cain here?

 

[Deathhappens]

Sorta, but not really. Cain is always looking for a way to weasel out of any dangerous duty if he thinks he can do it without risking the planet blowing up under him or everyone else figuring out he's not the gung-ho hero the propaganda depicts him as (because that will likely lead to him getting assigned to even more dangerous duties). Tanya always discharges her duty to the letter and even goes above and beyond on multiple occasions, she just hopes that that will eventually lead her to climbing the ranks and getting a safe position in the backline.

 

[YoraeRasante]

I really want to read his books now...
How much knowledge of the verse outside his books would I need? Or are they able to self-sustain if I just start from them?

 

[1234muse]

When the manga started, it felt like "Tanya the Evil" was pretty appropriate. But somewhere along the way, she became "Tanya the Ruthless" -- which may be, but isn't necessarily, evil. It may be ruthless to cut off a limb with a battlefield wound that's turned gangrenous, but without doing so the patient will die.

Evil was always an adaptation thing, afaik the actual title translates to something completely different

 

[Deathhappens]

I really want to read his books now...
How much knowledge of the verse outside his books would I need? Or are they able to self-sustain if I just start from them?

Just knowing the general setting of 40k is enough, imo (humanity's turned an authoritarian religious dystopian hellhole where science is regarded as heresy because that's the only way to survive fighting the forces of literal hell and every alien race in the setting at once, ironically as often due to the Imperium's cultivated xenophobia and manifest destiny mindset as because the aliens start out hostile to begin with). Cain's novels are pretty standalone. Or you could read Flashman which I understand is the series of stories Cain was based on but is set in the real world.

 

[DedBeet]

Nice