Fukushuu o Koinegau Saikyou Yuusha wa, Yami no Chikara de Senmetsu Musou Suru - Ch. 134

[DANdLIONTEch]

She had a hard life, thats sad.

Shes also just kind of a piece of shit.

Please kindly fuck off with the "lets make the bad person seem good so we can present moral conflict so that the hero can forgive them and pretend like nothing was wrong at all"

Nah me thinks this is a you are a product of ur surrounding type shit.

Its more so u pity this thing and hate the people that made this thing etc

 

[sirflimflam]

"She has a tragic backstory! you have to forgive her!" nah, 100 chapters after idgaf, pointless redemption is pointless.

That's not redemption. We're merely seeing two sides to a story. Learning the why doesn't mean we're supposed to forgive her, the same reason I wouldn't forgive a serial killer in real life because I found out he was raped by his dad his entire childhood and it fucked up his head. I can think he's sick, but it doesn't erase what was done.

Edit: Honestly though at this point I more or less suspect his sister that was raped and murdered while pregnant is actually the master villain.

 

[OSAITUS]

Is this real?... last time we saw that "godly" figure, mister King went to live a life in illusion...

Sure... super sad, like most people i do not want to see a child in constant torture... her punishment is deserved, regardless of how bad her childhood was. Raul is in control of hell so probably he can bring those maids, the Queen and all those who hurt the child and make them have a lot of "extra" fun but that princess is still deserving of punishment

 

[Silberdrachi]

This thread is hilarious. there's 3 options.

Either you're saying "Cool Story, still a bitch", "We can think shes a bitch and not forgive her" and "The author changed my mind, shes forgiven"

 

[mangadexer01]

you can still feel bad for what happened to her in the past and still see her as an evil person for what she did when she grew up. some people are just stronger in staying a good person despite experiencing hell. Victoria isn't one of them but now we can blame more than just her for how she turned out. this whole backstory arc only had one good character in it and it was Victoria's mother, Valentine.

 

[hermitowl]

Raoul was planning on killing the Gods anyway, it would just be one more thing on the pile.

 

[Zhangar]

I was expecting that final water pitcher to also be poison.

Child Vicky reaching a point where she could just guzzle straight cyanide or something would've been morbidly funny.

Wonder if we'll get a reveal that Vicky was the gods' favorite chewtoy until Raoul got their attention.

 

[StormSen]

If you're put into a "kill or be killed" situation, then it's okay to kill.

Victoria is put into that situation permanently as a child. Mother killed, father doesn't care about her, no one loves her, those who aren't actively trying to kill her are just impatiently waiting for some else to do the job. At this point "normal morality" (if it ever existed) in her world is gone.

On top of that, the gods are (apparently) actively manipulating her just for their chuckles. (We know that the Goddess of Love does this later; but it looks like another god is about to do the same thing here.)

At this point she's very credibly on the road to "I desperately need a man who will be mine, who will protect me. And since I can't trust that to happen, I'll have to force that to happen."

 

[StormSen]

In case it's not clear... Raul is off his rocker. He's very functional, but something in him is broken from the extreme abuse and betrayal that he was subjected to.

Now we see that Victoria is also substantially broken because of the abuse that she suffered.

I normally despise the "not my fault, bad stuff happened to me" trope (looking at you, Naruto mangaka). However, environment still must be taken into account. And it's not like this mangaka has been going on a "not my fault" spree -- far from it. [I.e. in this case, the author is not overusing "because reasons".]

Side Note: The author has been raising questions of moral character and culpability recently. E.g. Raul's "heaven". E.g. crybaby noble's fat mother. Surprising that she (and he) made it into that "heaven", and then that fool of a mother, who spoiled her son rotten, dies protecting him, very clearly demonstrating true maternal love and sacrifice.

[Edits: Minor edits for grammar and clarity.]

 

[TheGodEmperor]

Doesn't excuse her actions to Raul or those he loved, but I do wholly support her actions to torture the queen and hope that happens soon. Same to all the others in the castle that would do this kinda shit to a child

 

[treevine]

"i don't care about her past, she committed greater sins" " we'll only consider if she was manipulated" well? are ya happy now? she's crying her eyes out... she's being poisoned... she was stabbed... and then manipulated... does that clear your doubt now?... i dare one person to still argue

EDIT: since some ppl lack comprehension, I'm not saying her crimes never existed or stuff like that... i mean she has already been punished more than enough for those... we are now looking at what promoted her actions... some ppl just keep hating like she decided to be evil for no reasons... at this point she already deserves the forgiveness, you're just clouded by hate for the her you first met... you've gotten a reason for the actions, and she has received her punishment... what more do you want?

I really didn’t want to forgive her, but these last two chapters really proved me wrong

 

[Kaito57]

Yes, figured Author would pull something like that and yes, Smol Vicky should have been protected at all cost BUT I still think that Raoul ain’t going to COMPLETELY forgive her.

At best, he lets her die peacefully, becoming the only person on his revenge list to get actual rest in death.

At worst, she gets to spend Eternity in the cuckchair watching Raoul and Theodora being lovey-dovey together lol

Your move, Raoul !!

 

[popo53414]

This could fit in properly if Raoul is the one writing this twisted past memory, overwriting her actual past memory. But would that make sense doing so?

 

[pandatime]

i still stand by my comment before
even with sad backstory shes still a bad person which is like...
you still get to be in hell but maybe we put you in a.. not as bad place in hell as the others kind of deal.
on the other hand thou oh boi these gods man just.. these gods

 

[lolfacesayshi]

Damn, just cause i think its a pointless thing to bring up 100 chapters after we had pretty much completely finished her "punishment"? I just think if you wanted to push for her redemption, 100 chapters after people have formed strong opinions on the character thats a odd choice writing wise when its a character thats been honestly pretty detached from the most recent plot lines.

So she's both "finished her punishment" (at which case her redemption should have no issues), detached from the current plot (which means she has not done any crimes since her punishment), but also a lot of people still hold the strong opinions on her as the person who does bad things (that she hasn't done since punishment), who has not gotten any punishment (that she has, and apparently already finished with)

So is she done or not? Irrelevant or not? Really seems like y'all are holding on to your hatreds for the character she was at the beginning of the story, even after Raoul himself is able to at least put her back on the examination stand.

i still stand by my comment before
even with sad backstory shes still a bad person which is like...
you still get to be in hell but maybe we put you in a.. not as bad place in hell as the others kind of deal.
on the other hand thou oh boi these gods man just.. these gods

So like right now? Where she is healed from her bug crucifixion, brought into hell, and serve as his "bride" to spite her father?

 

[lolfacesayshi]

so that is future raoul?

I don't think Time Travel is a power in this universe, because it would cause so much inconsistency with the decision-making process of the entire story.

Most likely it's Raoul inserting himself into this illusion made from Vicky's memories. Maybe to prove a point about how easy it was to turn a literal child into an callous, uncaring monster if you extend your literal divine hand to her at the lowest point of her life.

 

[0Zion]

Her puffy eyes from crying. Huhuhu
BROTHER! VICTORIA IS A VICTIM! SAVE HER RAOUL-CHAN!

Was there an actual angel like that or did Raoul just end up copying someone who looks like that? Maybe Raoul also saw that angel before that's why he copied that form?

 

[Grailm]

We get it Schale. Hitl-I mean Victoria did nothing wrong.

All is forgiven.

Tragic backstory, oh poor thing. We forgive all the horrendous shit she did like having Raouls sister gangraped, tortured, killed. Not to mention she was pregnant.

Manipulation, like the Saintes. That excuses everything. Who cares that so many innocent people were killed by her, families destroyed, children left orphaned. it's like drugs or driving under the influence. She wasn't in control of her actions, so fuck it. Let her go.

One person getting rightfully tortured for a few years in return is totally appropriate recompense. A few years punishment totally equals hundreds of lives being cut short and others left to suffer. She's definitely been punished enough and now deserves a great life with god Raoul.

hahaha, and people wonder why things are so bad with crime in the real world and its getting worse. "Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent". I bet all the money in the world if the people defending Victoria had even a sliver of the shit done to them that she did to others. They'd be singing quite the different tune.

 

[Tsumi]

In case it's not clear... Raul is off his rocker. He's very functional, something in him broke from the extreme abuse and betrayal that he was subjected to.

Now we see that Victoria is also substantially broken because of the abuse that she suffered.

I'll note that the I despise the typical "not my fault, bad stuff happened to me" trope (looking at you, Naruto mangaka). That said, environment still must be taken into account. And it's not like this mangaka has been going on a "not my fault" spree -- far from it.

Side Note: The author has been raising questions of moral character and culpability recently. E.g. Raul's "heaven". E.g. crybaby noble's fat mother. Surprising that she (and he) made it into that "heaven", and then that fool of a mother, who spoiled her son rotten, dies protecting him, very clearly demonstrating true maternal love and sacrifice.

Thinking about it, with this backstory they're really not that different, assuming the author doesn't do a sike, this entire backstory was a lie move. Which honestly wouldn't make much sense to do, but who knows with this author.

Crucial differences are Victoria did not have overwhelming power nor the ability to resist the gods. Lack of overwhelming power made it reasonable for her to try and completely dominate everyone around her, because everyone is a potential assassin. In Victoria's world, there is no such thing as a genuinely good person. Raoul condemned people to hell in his heaven project for the smallest transgressions so he's not always morally just either.

 

[shion9]

I feel like most of the Victoria hate at this point just comes from the fact that they like Theodora more and that they feel threatened.