Akuninzura Shita B-kyuu Boukensha: Shujinkou to Sono Osananajimi-tachi no Papa ni Naru - Ch. 6.1 - Saintess Kidnapping (1)

[Caffeinated_MadMan]

I could see him ending up with the eldest (Aria) as she is the eldest of them all and she's pretty much acting as their mum. I do pity anyone guy who tries to date his daughters though.

Nah I think the author saw people thinking this and was probably disgusted (saying she is like 14 so I agree) and probably made her say "We are his children" to cement that she is not a love interest. It will most likely be the Valkyrie girl that the author has already set Gray up with in the past. But I think the eldest being the one to say it instead of Mc boy is their way of telling us the 14-year-old girl with at least a 10 year age difference will not be a love interest nor be raised to be a love interest.

 

[BlackAeronaut]

You're arguing against something no one is saying. No one is saying "Aria wouldn't have these feelings, it's not realistic!" They're saying "I don't want Grey as a character to encourage that and I'm sick of authors shoving parent-child relations in manga."

No, I'm saying that this is a trope for a reason: that it has basis in real life. And because it has basis in real life, then guess what? You're gonna run into it now and then, whether you like it or not.

But actually, since you're so hard-up for relevant commentary, I got something else to say here. And that's about how people are claiming that this trope is so "common" and that Japanese mangaka are "shoving it down our throats" as one or two have said in this thread.

Uhm, yeah. The only place where this trope is that common are the hentai and erotica titles, which says a lot about the reading comprehension levels of these people.

Why?

Because it's a bit like being shocked that an isekai manga has the "Harem" tag.

Which is where I think to myself, "Then maybe you should stop reading that particular genre, you fucking reject from a special ed class."

Or, at the very least, do that kind of reading on websites that are specifically for hentai and erotica - they have search functions and tags that you can use to filter that kind of thing out of your search results.

Trust me, I know. I got almost five-hundred titles in my reading list on this website, and I've done my share of skulking around on sites like Tsumino and E-Hentai. There is NOTHING being shoved down anyone's throat here.

Really, the only other titles that I recall off the top of my head that are not erotica or hentai and actually has this trope in action are Usagi Drop and A Drunk Thief Bought a Slave Girl.

Yeah, that's pretty much it, as far as I know. If you know of others that are 1) Not some weirdly obscure title, 2) Are not hentai or erotica, and 3) Features the adoptive-parent-incest trope, then please enlighten me. Because I'd like to know so I can advise these people to avoid those titles if they're so squicked out that even the implication that it might happen sickens them to their stomachs.

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BTW, go ahead and keep dropping those "Dumb" ratings. Why? Because the only thing people see on my profile is this:

Here's the deal. If someone says something I don't like or I disagree with? I never give them any kind of ratings. And this is why. If I don't like what they say, then does it make any sense at all to contribute to this score? Hell no.

You see, when people look at my profile, they only see the total number of ratings, period. They don't see the ratio of "Dumb" or "Strike" ratings. If they wanna see that, they gotta sift through every single post I make here on the boards. So go ahead. Rate me Dumb or Strike all you want. I'll just be sitting here like Jason Thor Hall at Pirate Software going: "I FARM YOU TWICE! DOUBLE ENGAGEMENT!"

Context:

As for why I'd call attention to this mechanic if it serves me so well? Because I hate people acting like idiotic tools who'll gladly subscribe to a culture of toxicity to prove a point when it counts for nothing in the first place.

I know the redneck comedian, Ron White, who has the distinction of always being lit-up like an Alcoholics Anonymous convention that got double-booked with the Beer Association (insert Finding Nemo meme here: "INTERVENTION!!!!") when on-stage, was fond of saying "Ya can't fix stupid."

But it doesn't make it any less annoying. And, unfortunately, I can't call them out for being idiots to lessen the extent of simmering anger I feel - that feeling that the film, Idiocracy, is all too on-the-nose - because that's abusive and toxic. Even if it's true.

 

[harukuro]

if someone touches this family, I would kill everyone, the author, and myself.

 

[MathMols]

I just love how sweet Aria is willing to stand up against those guards for their skewed perception of justice & at the same time let Grey know that they genuinely love him for being their adoptive dad. Such wholesomeness this manga brings to people & hope it stays that way. Thanks for the chapter.

Sorry to say this but have seen people saying he will end up with Aria…and if thats actually the case this goes from an amazing series to a disgusting 1/10 series just like Usagi Drop did🤮 Like is father/daughter incest common in Japan or what?

 

[tigerstar186]

No, I'm saying that this is a trope for a reason: that it has basis in real life. And because it has basis in real life, then guess what? You're gonna run into it now and then, whether you like it or not.

But actually, since you're so hard-up for relevant commentary, I got something else to say here. And that's about how people are claiming that this trope is so "common" and that Japanese mangaka are "shoving it down our throats" as one or two have said in this thread.

Uhm, yeah. The only place where this trope is that common are the hentai and erotica titles, which says a lot about the reading comprehension levels of these people.

Why?

Because it's a bit like being shocked that an isekai manga has the "Harem" tag.

Which is where I think to myself, "Then maybe you should stop reading that particular genre, you fucking reject from a special ed class."

Or, at the very least, do that kind of reading on websites that are specifically for hentai and erotica - they have search functions and tags that you can use to filter that kind of thing out of your search results.

Trust me, I know. I got almost five-hundred titles in my reading list on this website, and I've done my share of skulking around on sites like Tsumino and E-Hentai. There is NOTHING being shoved down anyone's throat here.

Really, the only other titles that I recall off the top of my head that are not erotica or hentai and actually has this trope in action are Usagi Drop and A Drunk Thief Bought a Slave Girl.

Yeah, that's pretty much it, as far as I know. If you know of others that are 1) Not some weirdly obscure title, 2) Are not hentai or erotica, and 3) Features the adoptive-parent-incest trope, then please enlighten me. Because I'd like to know so I can advise these people to avoid those titles if they're so squicked out that even the implication that it might happen sickens them to their stomachs.

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BTW, go ahead and keep dropping those "Dumb" ratings. Why? Because the only thing people see on my profile is this:

Here's the deal. If someone says something I don't like or I disagree with? I never give them any kind of ratings. And this is why. If I don't like what they say, then does it make any sense at all to contribute to this score? Hell no.

You see, when people look at my profile, they only see the total number of ratings, period. They don't see the ratio of "Dumb" or "Strike" ratings. If they wanna see that, they gotta sift through every single post I make here on the boards. So go ahead. Rate me Dumb or Strike all you want. I'll just be sitting here like Jason Thor Hall at Pirate Software going: "I FARM YOU TWICE! DOUBLE ENGAGEMENT!"

Context:

As for why I'd call attention to this mechanic if it serves me so well? Because I hate people acting like idiotic tools who'll gladly subscribe to a culture of toxicity to prove a point when it counts for nothing in the first place.

I know the redneck comedian, Ron White, who has the distinction of always being lit-up like an Alcoholics Anonymous convention that got double-booked with the Beer Association (insert Finding Nemo meme here: "INTERVENTION!!!!") when on-stage, was fond of saying "Ya can't fix stupid."

But it doesn't make it any less annoying. And, unfortunately, I can't call them out for being idiots to lessen the extent of simmering anger I feel - that feeling that the film, Idiocracy, is all too on-the-nose - because that's abusive and toxic. Even if it's true.

Right... once again, arguing things no one is saying. I can not like something being in a manga whether it appears in real life or not. For instance, rape happens in real life. I'm still going to decry it whenever it shows up in manga, especially ones where the genre and focus do not imply that will happen.

As for it only being prevalent in porn, you're just wrong. Just because you have not noticed that a decent amount of series have an adopter or fosterer grooming a child into a wife (or husband, though that is rarer) does not mean they do not exist. You yourself name two, here's a few others that I can think of the top of my head without even needing to google. None of these series are pornography, they cross a variety of genres, and all have been decently popular. I'm also discounting series where they imply such relationships to happen but do not have them explicitly mentioned/shown, or the character was a child in the vicinity but not explicitly adopted, fostered, or bought:
His and Her Circumstances
Desert Punk
The Rising of Shield Hero
The Ancient Magus' Bride
Kaze to Ki no Uta
If It's for My Daughter, I'd Even Defeat a Demon Lord

So on that genre point... you compare this to isekai and harem relevance. Hello? Have you been around? People complain about harems appearing in isekai all the time, and even if they didn't, childcare becoming romance is not anywhere near as prevalent because comparatively few childcare series even exist. It's a false equivalence. When there is barely any male childcare series to begin with, even if there were only two examples it'd still be a big drop in the bucket.

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As for the "dumbs", it ain't that deep. I think your post is dumb, so I react with "dumb". I'm not trying to tank your reaction score or whatever. (Also dumb actually does decrease reaction score, different reactions have different weights) It's just a simple way to convey a reaction. You have an issue with it? Take it up with the site. We have a suggestions forum for a reason.

...and you're really not any better than the so-called "cultury of toxicity" when you're going around saying things like

Which is where I think to myself, "Then maybe you should stop reading that particular genre, you fucking reject from a special ed class."

I won't be responding any further. Have a nice day, dude.

 

[JaceG13]

I wish she actually put the guards on blast, and didn't just whine behind the back. I seem to recall she said something to their face, which made them ashamed, in the WN.



Unfortunately for you guys, I pretty sure she's a love interest, she obviously gets a crush on MC.
That said, I haven't read all the WN, and there's the adventurer girl who loves him as well as some of her partners who seem to love him as well, so it would be silly to have the daughter be his lover unless this goes the harem route. Let's be honest though, Japan loves the cliche of the daughter ending up as the partner, unfortunately.

Where'd you read the WN?

 

[Mageos]

thank you for the chapter!

 

[nhernandez90]

you should be doing something more productive than writing walls of text for essentially pointless arguments.

Again, you're missing the point.

We all know it's a trope. And we also know it's quite a commonly used trope in Japanese manga, not only in the "they're going to be a couple" road, but also in the grey area where the younger sister/step-sister has this weird, vague obsession with the MC; this one is way more common and tip toes around the trope. Precisely because of this, we are saying "please don't go towards that road", because despite the WN not going through this route (thus far) and the manga following the source (thankfully), there is a chance it could still happen.

 

[ARealCoolGuy]

Where'd you read the WN?

If you look at the comic's page here on Mangadex, look to the side, and under the section "Track" there's a site called "Novelupdates". There people upload links to their site when they translate a chapter of a WN or LN (though you need to make an account these days to see the links, for some dumb ass reason).

The translation updates for this WN have stopped, but you can continue reading it at the original japanese source by using google translate: https://kakuyomu.jp/works/16816927861903829311

 

[Gabriel434]

I do pity anyone guy who tries to date his daughters though.

Any guy who falls in love with one of the daughters is going to have a bad time getting parental approbation

While people talk about "I fear for any man trying to date his daughters", I actually pity any woman trying to romance Grey though. Not only will they have to win over all his kids, but the girls are already so attached to Daddy that they will clearly view any woman as a threat to their attention. So unless they work extra hard to win over the kids as well, they're gonna have a baaaaad time xD

I think we can securely assume that no woman could ever win over his kids.

 

[JaceG13]

(though you need to make an account these days to see the links, for some dumb ass reason)

SO THAT'S WHY I HAVEN'T BEEN SEEING THE LINKS ANYMORE! I knew I wasn't crazy. Thanks.

 

[Lewdhandholding]

No, I'm saying that this is a trope for a reason: that it has basis in real life. And because it has basis in real life, then guess what? You're gonna run into it now and then, whether you like it or not.

But actually, since you're so hard-up for relevant commentary, I got something else to say here. And that's about how people are claiming that this trope is so "common" and that Japanese mangaka are "shoving it down our throats" as one or two have said in this thread.

Uhm, yeah. The only place where this trope is that common are the hentai and erotica titles, which says a lot about the reading comprehension levels of these people.

Why?

Because it's a bit like being shocked that an isekai manga has the "Harem" tag.

Which is where I think to myself, "Then maybe you should stop reading that particular genre, you fucking reject from a special ed class."

Or, at the very least, do that kind of reading on websites that are specifically for hentai and erotica - they have search functions and tags that you can use to filter that kind of thing out of your search results.

Trust me, I know. I got almost five-hundred titles in my reading list on this website, and I've done my share of skulking around on sites like Tsumino and E-Hentai. There is NOTHING being shoved down anyone's throat here.

Really, the only other titles that I recall off the top of my head that are not erotica or hentai and actually has this trope in action are Usagi Drop and A Drunk Thief Bought a Slave Girl.

Yeah, that's pretty much it, as far as I know. If you know of others that are 1) Not some weirdly obscure title, 2) Are not hentai or erotica, and 3) Features the adoptive-parent-incest trope, then please enlighten me. Because I'd like to know so I can advise these people to avoid those titles if they're so squicked out that even the implication that it might happen sickens them to their stomachs.

---

BTW, go ahead and keep dropping those "Dumb" ratings. Why? Because the only thing people see on my profile is this:

Here's the deal. If someone says something I don't like or I disagree with? I never give them any kind of ratings. And this is why. If I don't like what they say, then does it make any sense at all to contribute to this score? Hell no.

You see, when people look at my profile, they only see the total number of ratings, period. They don't see the ratio of "Dumb" or "Strike" ratings. If they wanna see that, they gotta sift through every single post I make here on the boards. So go ahead. Rate me Dumb or Strike all you want. I'll just be sitting here like Jason Thor Hall at Pirate Software going: "I FARM YOU TWICE! DOUBLE ENGAGEMENT!"

Context:

As for why I'd call attention to this mechanic if it serves me so well? Because I hate people acting like idiotic tools who'll gladly subscribe to a culture of toxicity to prove a point when it counts for nothing in the first place.

I know the redneck comedian, Ron White, who has the distinction of always being lit-up like an Alcoholics Anonymous convention that got double-booked with the Beer Association (insert Finding Nemo meme here: "INTERVENTION!!!!") when on-stage, was fond of saying "Ya can't fix stupid."

But it doesn't make it any less annoying. And, unfortunately, I can't call them out for being idiots to lessen the extent of simmering anger I feel - that feeling that the film, Idiocracy, is all too on-the-nose - because that's abusive and toxic. Even if it's true.

I don't understand why Usagi Drop is even brought up, the circumstances are too different for me to even make the comparison. It's like a meme that's just spammed.

 

[hasf11]

With regards to Aria - on the off-hand chance that it does go that way, here's something that might make it a bit easier for you folks to swallow.

Simply put? As much as MC is taking care of Aria, she's also taking care of him. She's already slotted herself into the position of "House Mom", not only to care for her siblings, but also to ease the burden that MC has taken upon himself.

I've dropped the word a few times already, but I feel it bears repeating: Aria has been parentified. This is an actual thing in child psychology. Basically, what has happened is that Aria has been forced to take on tasks that are normally performed by adults rather than children. And in doing so, she has forced herself to mature (mentally) in order to see things through.

But the funny thing about this is that it also means that she'll also wind up having certain adult-like wishes. Such as a having someone to be her partner - not just in helping with the other children, but also as emotional support. And when you combine that with adolescent hormones.... Yeah. It'd be no surprise that it would go that route.

Now, to put this all into perspective.... You guys wouldn't be freaking out anywhere nearly as badly if she were eighteen or nineteen years old, right? (Hell, I'm sure some of you would be screaming "WIFE HER GODDAMMIT!" if that were the case.)

But the thing is that you're failing to realize just how far gone she really is.

Take the above example of her being a young adult instead? That's actually undercutting it by quite a lot. The reality is that, psychologically speaking, she's more like 25 years old. And that adult mind is packaged in an adolescent girl's body.

But that's the crux of the matter - that, for all intents and purposes, her mindset is that of an adult woman's. And being in that state of mind when a strong, capable, and dependable male figure sweeps into her life and starts giving her the support she has so desperately needed? It would only be natural that she would consider the MC as a prospective life-partner.

Granted, she might say she is his daughter right now, but that was a spur of the moment thing. She very likely sees him as "Daddy" from the perspective of being "Mommy".

Thing is, we (as a species) are kinda wired for this sort of thing. It's a "Break Glass in Case of Emergency" fail-safe that's been baked into our genepool by natural selection over millions of years - that, in the event of some dire situation such as abandonment, orphaning, or even outright abuse, a child is very much capable of adapting and "growing up" faster than they normally would. They just need to have the basic knowledge to start out with, and they'll learn the rest by trial and error along the way... provided that there isn't too many errors, of course.

I chalk it up as medieval norms but i will swallow that psychology anyway and call it a day. For now, i just want them to be happy.

 

[KazeFenrir]

I mean, think about it. How many of these stories do you see and think you would live a decent life as mob B? Most fantasy stories overly center on the protagonist and their importance to the world. If you aren't them, with all their advantages/cheats, or some girl jumping on their dick, your life would be a shitshow. The helplessness of the commonfolk is what gives the hero their significance.

The only exception to this I recall is Death mage doesn't want a 4th time. Though, that was exclusively as a citizen of the empire the mc ruled over because of the strong welfare and education system he setup with his bs op powers.

The majority of novel/manga reincarnation is as the MC, not as a mob. It's just such a weird thing to me to enjoy something so much but then decide to change the story and characters at their core.
I mean in general as a genre trend, not for this particular manga. For sure if I respawned as some side character all bets are off. I'm NTR the MC/Hero mom, his best friend and that hottie in his party that's always hitting on him before I start stealing relics.

 

[KazeFenrir]

He was a villain in the original story.

Literally not relevant to anything I said.

 

[Meridis]

The majority of novel/manga reincarnation is as the MC, not as a mob. It's just such a weird thing to me to enjoy something so much but then decide to change the story and characters at their core.
I mean in general as a genre trend, not for this particular manga. For sure if I respawned as some side character all bets are off. I'm NTR the MC/Hero mom, his best friend and that hottie in his party that's always hitting on him before I start stealing relics.

hmm I see. I think for most stories I liked, I would still change a lot if I became the mc. The background, inner turmoil, and character arcs that would give the story's events, especially the more difficult ones, their meaning wouldn't be there if I took the mc's place. I don't have their background, I don't have their thought process, and I'm certainly not going through their emotional growth. The story as I liked it would be impossible as I'm a different person. All that is left is the setting and events. Since it doesn't have the same weight, might as well avoid the more tragic things like loved ones dying. No reason to allow bad things to happen just to roleplay someone you're not.

 

[laurencevanq]

Please stay wholesome the whole way.
Just a dad and his adoptive kids being wholesome.
No funny business please.
Please.

Yeah, please don't drop the bunny

 

[KazeFenrir]

hmm I see. I think for most stories I liked, I would still change a lot if I became the mc. The background, inner turmoil, and character arcs that would give the story's events, especially the more difficult ones, their meaning wouldn't be there if I took the mc's place. I don't have their background, I don't have their thought process, and I'm certainly not going through their emotional growth. The story as I liked it would be impossible as I'm a different person. All that is left is the setting and events. Since it doesn't have the same weight, might as well avoid the more tragic things like loved ones dying. No reason to allow bad things to happen just to roleplay someone you're not.

That's a very well thought out point. Would I expect someone in my life to live it like I would?
I guess there would be things I would try to change, like peoples horrible endings or those failed romances/missed connections.
Do I REALLY want to see my favorite characters go through the drama and heartache that I enjoyed reading about if I'm there with them? Probably not.
I guess when I really think about it.. I probably wouldn't let Anikin go down the path of the Dark Side, just because I appreciate Luke's story and his life.

 

[JustSomeGuyOnHisPhone]

Stella may be the weird child, but at least she's not trying to win a Who's Your Daddy speedrun and drowning first thing in the morning lol

 

[TentacleUser]

I could see him ending up with the eldest (Aria) as she is the eldest of them all and she's pretty much acting as their mum. I do pity anyone guy who tries to date his daughters though.

Yea I totally see it happening. And I ship it.