It's not necessarily about the nude sketch itself, it's more of the lying and the sneaking about. I'd say the amount of people in here saying that catching your partner being dishonest is actually equal or worse to them being dishonest is even more of an indicator of who's actually been in a healthy relationship.
I don't think they're wrong, especially if we're dealing with a story that's no stranger to conflict.
Nagatoro knew (or should have known) this was coming, since she was present when the bet was made.
"There's no 'most in the wrong' here."
He's saying that Naoto has to apologize because (in part) he's the dude in the relationship, regardless of how wrong he actually is. That is, the apology isn't about who's at most fault to begin with.
Which is complete bullshit really, also really sexist.
It's the second reason he gave for why he should apologize, the first being that he had a part in this situation going out of control.
It's discriminatory because it puts more burden on him simply because he's the "man" in the relationship, which is stupid, he was wrong for lying and should apologize, but she was more wrong for messing with his stuff without permission and should apologize too.
In the original Japanese he doesn't say お前, he actually doesn't use any direct subject in the sentence. He stumbles as he says 「勝手に見るのはどうかと。。。」which is more like "I'm not quite sure (how to feel) about you looking at it on your own..." which makes it a pretty weaksauce assertation at best.I'm curious about the "you" at the end. I assume that Naoto addressed Nagatoro with お前 and she picked up on that, which harkens back to early on in the manga (chapter 3, p. 5). Then, it was clear he was trying to push back against Nagatoro's teasing at the time, trying to assert himself.
This is interesting (I've actively noticed this writing technique in another manga, though I'm sure it's not uncommon): their usual dynamic, and its history, is being recontextualized in the context of them being in an intimate relationship. Earlier in their relationship, Nagatoro invading Naoto's privacy would ironically have been a minor deal because she insisted on being around him; on his end, not only did he lack the mental fortitude to push her away, but he also wanted her around, and so he tolerated her antics (he still resisted, but without coming close to cutting her off).
Also earlier in their relationship, Naoto concealing this kind of truth would have been a minor deal: not only were they not dating and who he was involved with wouldn't necessarily be his business, but Nagatoro would have been more aware that she was being invasive (and doing something wrong), because that was part of her being a nuisance, and her being a nuisance was both sword and shield: to simultaneously protect herself emotionally and establish a place in the life of someone she took interest in. Even some time before they started going out properly, when she was letting her guard down and their dynamic became their "normal", she may have forgotten that-- she may have never even realized that was exactly what was going on.
I can't at all begrudge anyone for getting hung up on the lack of openness and even trying to figure out how to apportion blame, but there's something more foundational at hand, and I'm expecting for that to be explored alongside-- if not more than-- "who's most in the wrong" (certainly, these two won't be putting stock in that calculus).
I don't think they're wrong, especially if we're dealing with a story that's no stranger to conflict.
I've become increasingly certain that consumers don't have a complete awareness of what they continue to give attention to. Obviously, people give positive reactions to what they like. There are also people who gaslight themselves into believing they like a certain work or writing sequence despite having no such intrinsic interest, because they want to fit in or peacock about how "mature" and "cool" they are.
And, most pertinently, there are people who do something like the inverse of that, where they rag incessantly about something they willingly continue to consume, for the same reasons.
Nagatoro knew (or should have known) this was coming, since she was present when the bet was made.
Not only that, but Nagatoro did this while Naoto wasn't watching, specifically after he was occupied and couldn't see her. She snuck around, herself.
Of all the mistakes to make as you're starting off a Relationship 👏🏾YOU👏🏾FOUGHT👏🏾FOR👏🏾, hoo boy...
It's not simply because he's the man in the relationship, though-- it's firstly because he's the one that caused the situation to spiral out of control to begin with by concealing what he did (even though what he was concealing wasn't a wrongdoing). Even if you're sure "because he's the guy" is a bad justification, don't throw out everything prior to that.
I never said it was just because he's the man, just pointing out that this logic is utter bullshit, I didn't throw everything out.
You didn't acknowledge his first reason at all, even though you quoted me alluding to it.
You're doing exactly that-- in the same sentence, no less. That was what the guy I was originally responding to was doing, too. You're trying to quantify blame. In fact, most commenters here are trying to quantify blame.
Yeah I should have removed the other part, since was mostly arguing against the logic that he's the "man".
No, both are at fault for the situation, he shouldn't have lied and she shouldn't have messed with his stuff.
You also can't have a relationship built on lies. Nagatoro also had to have known that he'd have to do this-- she was in the room when the bet and its conditions were made-- so there's even less reason to have lied, since he'd be at most reminding her of something.
Nagatoro is entitled to not being lied to, though. The both of them are.
Here's a biology lesson, the size of a woman's boobs doesn't really matter in the perspective of feeding a baby.
Yeah, you can't, he fucked up there's no denying that, he lied because he panicked since the entire situation is embarrassing for him, we can see how he has mixed feelings about the drawing and showing it to Nagatoro, but he would showed it to her when he felt comfortable.
Yeah, I dont deny that, same way both are entitled to boundaries.
