Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 31 - The Second Encounter

[story645]

Just from my experience with Maruto's works, he definitely likes the fateful encounter kind of thing, and some of them happen in very unlikely circumstances.

I don't think that's a contradiction though? Maruto chose this car crash to be the way in which this fated event happens and wrote the utterly predictable circumstances to lead up to it. Like "hide information, things blow up" is the miscommunication trope powering a million stories.

In my view, Yuu just sees it all as teasing and tries not to fall for it because that's the kind of dynamic they have.

Then the lying - "you're always lying", "you're lying again" -wouldn't be emphasized. Unless it's a mistranslation, it's definitely a choice to use "lying" vs "you're teasing" or "you're not being serious" & there's nothing in the text or art to indicate he's not serious - no "he said teasingly" or "he said w/ a smile"

I might be wrong of course, since we haven't seen his POV, but it feels like a person as earnest as Yuu isn't a type to fall for a person he doesn't trust.

Trust isn't static. He likely started out trusting her because his inherently trusting nature is what Aya likes about him. It's not a contradiction for him to then start mistrusting her as he spends more time w/ her and the deflection and evasiveness and pretending doesn't ease up.

 

[BlackHoxton]

That's such a pathetic thing to say 💀

Game recognizes game, and Yami looking mighty familiar right now 🤔

 

[Dingo777]

Game recognizes game, and Yami looking mighty familiar right now 🤔

What you’re experiencing is likely closer to “It takes an idiot to know one” cuz this girl does nothing but self-destruct

 

[BlackHoxton]

She kisses her best friend's crush because he's someone she ghosted and didn't get over but that's not a malicious action?? She even KNEW that she was the one Yuu was in love with and still did it. To all the fans that still defend Yami after all the shit she has done: y'all reek.

We don't know the exact context yet but from what we see, she's agitated with Yuu and kisses him. It doesn't look like she's thinking about how it'd effect Hikari as much everything she's bottling came out in an instant.

Yeah anyone can look at something they don't have an emotional connection and make objective calls but when you're in that situation with similar background it gets complicated. And to be clear before it gets repeated for the umpteenth time, it's obviously not an excuse for her actions but it's more sympathetic than just boiling Yami down to a thot trying to cuck Hikari.

 

[BlackHoxton]

What you’re experiencing is likely closer to “It takes an idiot to know one” cuz this girl does nothing but self-destruct

I hope you realize I'm joking because I don't see the need to give a serious response to a reply that's just insulting me.

 

[Dawniscoming]

Mangaka gives us sad backstory, we still think she need to get the rope. Who the fuck repays the girl who took you out of your gloom and doom era with betrayal, also chop the dude's dick our not so MC girl (because really we haven't seen her for so long as a focal character) deservers and can get much better.

The main character is pathetic. Dude tells a girl he just met that he's in love with another girl, said girl he just met then throws herself at him and THEN they fuck like rabbits for who knows how long. Like, dude, you're fucking pathetic. If you REALLY loved someone else, you wouldn't agree to have sex with a girl you just met and just told that you already love SOMEONE 😭 Dude needs to either get his dick chopped off or get with Yami at the end because they are both fucking stupid. And I know they're teenagers and make stupid mistakes, but love is still love, and I'm sure if Yuu really loved Hakami or whatever her name is, he would NOT think about sleeping with anyone else. He's a pathetic person in general.... The female protagonist deserves better than this dick-ridden dude. (Sorry for the harsh language, but this flashblack has dragged on for too long and I'm genuinely starting to hate this manga. I'm only reading this for the female lead.... I really hope she becomes happy in the end of the story 😕)

 

[Dawniscoming]

We don't know the exact context yet but from what we see, she's agitated with Yuu and kisses him. It doesn't look like she's thinking about how it'd effect Hikari as much everything she's bottling came out in an instant.

Yeah anyone can look at something they don't have an emotional connection and make objective calls but when you're in that situation with similar background it gets complicated. And to be clear before it gets repeated for the umpteenth time, it's obviously not an excuse for her actions but it's more sympathetic than just boiling Yami down to a thot trying to cuck Hikari

She's a bad person without a doubt. But, MAYBE, this one kiss was not with malicious intent since (I guess) she didnt know Yuu was with Hikari(i didnt even remember name, man😭). But we honestly cant tell yet. Maybe Yuu told her he was with Hikari and she still kissed him or maybe something else happened. We cant tell for sufe because this fucking flashback just doesnt eeeeeend. But what is 100% a fact is that shes an awful person and a bad friend. I HATE Yami. Trauma doesnt EXCUSE your actions. You can UNDERSTAND why people act the way they act but if you act like a bitch, you act like a bitch. It doesnt matter whether you have traumas or not.

 

[noleafclover75]

She's a bad person without a doubt. But, MAYBE, this one kiss was not with malicious intent since (I guess) she didnt know Yuu was with Hikari(i didnt even remember name, man😭). But we honestly cant tell yet. Maybe Yuu told her he was with Hikari and she still kissed him or maybe something else happened. We cant tell for sufe because this fucking flashback just doesnt eeeeeend. But what is 100% a fact is that shes an awful person and a bad friend. I HATE Yami. Trauma doesnt EXCUSE your actions. You can UNDERSTAND why people act the way they act but if you act like a bitch, you act like a bitch. It doesnt matter whether you have traumas or not.

Yami has known yuu is hikari's love interest for at least 3 months leading up to the kiss.

 

[story645]

and I'm sure if Yuu really loved Hakami or whatever her name is, he would NOT think about sleeping with anyone else. He's a pathetic person in general....

The former follows from the latter? He's pathetic so feels like he's got no shot w/ Hikari and then Yami comes along when he's at his absolute lowest - just failed the exam that he was only taking to prove to himself that he could measure up to Hikari - and is like hey "I think you're worth being with".
So I don't think it's that he didn't like Hikari, I think it's that he gave up on her at the first fail b/c he was too insecure to try harder...which Hikari calls him out for re the exam, that he started studying so late. He also should have told Hikari so they could study together, but didn't b/c of insecurity :/

But also I agree w/ you in that he's not my fave romantic lead. I think he was an at best middling boyfriend to Aya - not trash but also not trying all that hard to get to know the real her while also being frustrated that she wasn't real w/ him. But also I think that was his insecurity - too afraid of getting dumped to push her out of her comfort zone.

Eta' Which right, if he doesn't grow and get over it spells doom for a relationship w/ Hikari but paradoxically asking Hikari out is a sign of growth here (and this is the "I love you game" scenario 🤦‍♀️)

 

[EnFiveFour]

A small typo. Page 11, panel 3 "nor will I get nvolved with"

 

[Alzu]

People hating on Yuu is wild. His only "crime", if you can even call it a crime, so far is that he moved on from Hikari to be with Ayami when he realized that he had no chance to be with her after failing to get in the same highschool as her. What were you guys expecting him to do? Be a simp and hoping Hikari will return his feelings someday? Not only is that unhealthy and wrong, but in other romcoms, like in Rent-A-Girlfriend, that level of simpery is hated. So, I don't know why him moving on is being hated.

 

[story645]

he moved on from Hikari to be with Ayami when he realized that he had no chance to be with her

Nothing 'cept his own insecurity was stopping him from confirming w/ Hikari that he had no chance b/f moving on. Going straight to Aya w/o shooting his shot w/ Hikari was a coward's move.

Which yeah, I agree is not a crime or worthy of hate or flames.

 

[Alzu]

Nothing 'cept his own insecurity was stopping him from confirming w/ Hikari that he had no chance b/f moving on.

Except Hikari's lack of interest in Romance throughout middle school, the certain possibility that he and Hikari just stops being friends after he confesses and she rejects him, something in the webnovel Hikari also mentions why she's dithering about her romantic approach in the beginning and overall feeling he would lose more than he would gain.

Going straight to Aya w/o shooting his shot w/ Hikari was a cowards move.

Would be hard to shoot his shot with Hikari when he was in a relationship with Aya by that point. I mean, they turn what was essentially supposed to be a one-night stand into a proper relationship.

 

[story645]

Except Hikari's lack of interest in Romance throughout middle school, the certain possibility that he and Hikari just stops being friends after he confesses and she rejects him, something in the webnovel Hikari also mentions why she's dithering about her romantic approach in the beginning and overall feeling he would lose more than he would gain.

Yes his fears were legit and what comes w/ the territory of liking a friend. But also it would have been brave of him to talk to her and tell her what's up b/c a) interests can change when they're not theoretical b) it's not a guaranteed that Hikari and him stop being friends, especially since they'll have the distance of being in different schools c) Hikari dithering doesn't justify Yuu's dithering - she also got flack for not just telling him d) deciding that loss outweighs gain when not really knowing what the gain is just a way to justify not making a move. Which again, all reasonable...but also cowardly.

Would be hard to shoot his shot with Hikari when he was in a relationship with Aya by that point.

He could have turned down Aya (the sure thing) before he got w/ her to pursue Hikari (the uncertain thing).

And all of this was a response to "folks want him to be a simp for Hikari", which like folks just want him to have some courage.

 

[fflogschampion]

People hating on Yuu is wild.

It sort of is. He's barely a character at the moment. What do we know about him? He's a good kid, capable of empathizing with others and offering them some comfort. He's also a coward and oblivious. And that's about it? Without knowing how he views the other two through all this there's no way to judge him properly, right now he's more of a plot device than a character.

 

[GennArc]

I don't think that's a contradiction though? Maruto chose this car crash to be the way in which this fated event happens and wrote the utterly predictable circumstances to lead up to it. Like "hide information, things blow up" is the miscommunication trope powering a million stories.

What I meant is he doesn't write those fateful encounters in a way that they were inevitable. They just happen, and the circumstances can be vastly different. There is no way to prove it but I just don't see any predetermination here.

Then the lying - "you're always lying", "you're lying again" -wouldn't be emphasized. Unless it's a mistranslation, it's definitely a choice to use "lying" vs "you're teasing" or "you're not being serious" & there's nothing in the text or art to indicate he's not serious - no "he said teasingly" or "he said w/ a smile"

I think it's more of a Japanese language specific. "Uso", "Uso da(ro)" etc. - these phrases are very often used like "No way", "Are you serious?", even though "uso" means "lie". The word doesn't have a connotation as negative as the word "lie" in English.

He likely started out trusting her because his inherently trusting nature is what Aya likes about him. It's not a contradiction for him to then start mistrusting her as he spends more time w/ her and the deflection and evasiveness and pretending doesn't ease up.

He literally says he loves her in their last conversation. And the flustered way he reacts to her teasing and him being gung-ho about going to the fireworks festival with her clearly shows he cares a lot. So again, imo he is not the type to fall and stay happy with a person he distrusts.

 

[GennArc]

So I don't think it's that he didn't like Hikari, I think it's that he gave up on her at the first fail b/c he was too insecure to try harder...

Yes his fears were legit and what comes w/ the territory of liking a friend. But also it would have been brave of him to talk to her and tell her what's up b/c a) interests can change when they're not theoretical b) it's not a guaranteed that Hikari and him stop being friends, especially since they'll have the distance of being in different schools c) Hikari dithering doesn't justify Yuu's dithering - she also got flack for not just telling him d) deciding that loss outweighs gain when not really knowing what the gain is just a way to justify not making a move. Which again, all reasonable...but also cowardly.

I think you are really underestimating the palpability of feeling of distance. He spent a lot of time with Hikari and he could easily tell she is not romantically interested in him at all. No right chemistry, clearly "just friends" attitude etc. It doesn't help that Hikari also kept setting up meetings with other girls for him and then asking him how it went. And she confirms that herself, thinking

"All the way through middle school -- no, actually, until just a year ago -- I never saw him as a boy. He was just my pure and simple childhood friend, nothing more."

So it's not just about giving up after the first failure or being cautious. He saw that he had no chance for years, that's why the exam failure was just the last nail in the coffin. That, and meeting a certain senpai who he actually started to have a good chemistry with.

 

[story645]

There is no way to prove it but I just don't see any predetermination here.

It would be trash writing if the climax didn't follow logically from the events that led up to the climax. And conversely, it's actually good writing if the author has the characters behave in a consistent manner such that the climax is kinda inevitable. That shows forethought and planning.

He clearly shows he cares a lot.

Caring for someone you don't trust is kinda a hallmark of toxic relationships...which I don't want to argue w/ you about whether the Aya/Yuu ship is toxic, that's an agree to strongly disagree. I just want to point out that caring and mistrust are not mutually exclusive by any stretch.

So again, imo he is not the type to fall and stay happy with a person he distrusts.

They're in the honeymoon phase of their relationship - it's been like 2 or 3 months, they're screwing all the time, and Aya actively deflects/avoids/redirects just about everything where trust could be an issue (on either side). They don't meet each others friends or family, they don't talk about school all that much or really anything else personal, and they don't really hang out in ways that require showing up for the other's interests.

Like "hey move in w/ me" is the first real test of whether he trusts her b/c it's the first time she's really asked him to potentially make a sacrifice/do something hard. Eta: you argued it was about commitment, but like why would he not be committed to the girl he, in your words, loves? And if he was committed, why not give her an answer that reassures her that he's committe? (even if moving in is ridiculous cause they're teens)

So it's not just about giving up after the first failure or being cautious

But like there wasn't a first failure b/c he decided Hikari's answer w/o talking to her. Yeah I agree w/ you that he may very well have been right, but like the brave thing would have been to face the potential emotional damage of an unequivocal rejection. Not verifying w/ her leaves it as a forever "maybe she'll say yes".

ETA: which again to emphasize, this is all part of the discussion of why some folks find Yuu unappealing as endgame for Hikari, I don't think any of it makes him all that terrible and it's all fairly realistic.

 

[GennArc]

It would be trash writing if the climax didn't follow logically from the events that led up to the climax. And conversely, it's actually good writing if the author has the characters behave in a consistent manner such that the climax is kinda inevitable. That shows forethought and planning.

I don't see a contradiction. The events do lead logically to the climax, however the climax itself was not predetermined. Chapter 21 wouldn't have happened if not for the series of decisions made by characters that were shown in the story, however it was not inevitable. If Yuu didn't go off to wander around the school and stayed in the clubroom instead, he wouldn't have met Yami. Or if Yami chose another place to hide, Yuu wouldn't run into her.

Like "hey move in w/ me" is the first real test of whether he trusts her b/c it's the first time she's really asked him to potentially make a sacrifice/do something hard. Eta: you argued it was about commitment, but like why would he not be committed to the girl he, in your words, loves? And if he was committed, why not give her an answer that reassures her that he's committe? (even if moving in is ridiculous cause they're teens)

Because feelings of love and attachment can be weaker or stronger? I mean, look at Yami who didn't sleep for 3 nights at all because she wanted to spend all the time left with him. You could argue it's unhealthy, self-imposed or whatever, but it shows the level of attachment. And Yuu's feelings or attachment weren't as strong, simple as that. Not because he actually slept of course, but that reaction to her question is an indication.

But like there wasn't a first failure b/c he decided Hikari's answer w/o talking to her. Yeah I agree w/ you that he may very well have been right, but like the brave thing would have been to face the potential emotional damage of an unequivocal rejection. Not verifying w/ her leaves it as a forever "maybe she'll say yes".

Yeah, in the ideal world where just trying doesn't hurt and you can be brave etc. he should've confessed. But I think people who blame him for not doing that could use a little more empathy.

 

[story645]

if Yuu didn't go off to wander around the school and stayed in the clubroom instead, he wouldn't have met Yami. Or if Yami chose another place to hide, Yuu wouldn't run into her.

Yes, but the story the author chose to write is one where Yuu wandered and Yami hid. It's also the one where Aya knew about Yuu being Hikari's crush for months, which the author could have chosen to have Aya be as in the dark as Yuu. B/c characters are puppets, the reader can interrogate if there's a trope in play - here miscommunication - and why. What's the theme Maruo wants to pull out here? Possibly the contrasts between light (revealing the truth) and dark (keeping things hidden) that the author just spent two volumes hitting folks over the head w/?

But I think people who blame him for not doing that could use a little more empathy.

Sure, especially if it was a one time thing. Folks are picking up on chickening out being a pattern, one that he has yet to correct as far as the narrative goes, and like they can both have empathy for that and think that behavior makes him unattractive as a match for Hikari.