Isekai Craft Gurashi ~Jiyuu Kimama na Seisan Shoku no Honobono Slow Life~ - Ch. 31

[SFace]

Okay, I thought Alicia was just too paranoid about being discarded, but in the end it was totally justified, as they really did dismiss her.

The ojou girl really sucks at communicating her intentions to the poor maid.

I have a sudden thought that they might want Alicia to become the vanguard for Miyabi and Liz.

 

[Psychronia]

There's no industry to support the maintenance of these vehicles...

Except crafters.

This was my immediate thought as Miyabi started breaking down his magic-fueled train. Is he gonna indirectly give crafters everywhere a place to safely grind their skills?

I don't remember if other production classes are especially proficient in enchantment circuits, but fuel is something that's basically going to always be in demand when it comes to an industrial-age machine. Considering they currently don't have a niche, the crafters' comparative advantage is economically the best out of all the classes.

If the organization responsible for maintenance can allocate a budget for securing materials, crafters will finally be able to level up. Even if they don't reach Miyabi's mega-warehouse level storage, they should be able to lug around a storage shed's worth, driving their value up like crazy.

 

[finalm]

Miyabi is being really silly with this project. He doesn't even know how to build the engine for the locomotive and he's aiming for a train? He should be working on a car instead; far less horsepower needed and can travel on the existing road infrastructure. It will also fulfil the intended purpose of enabling two adventurers to travel more quickly over the 600 km distance.

Beyond the myriad of issues that come with such a project (permission to build, maintenance cost, etc), it seems to me that it will attract attention to his skills and he may be "asked" to keep working on such projects to link up other cities because he'll be able to do it in a fraction of the cost and time that it would take otherwise. Changing the travel time from two weeks to 12 hours is pretty transformative for the economy and the military after all, so there's no way the nobility and royalty won't ask him to contribute further. Then again, there is apparently a guild of infrastructure and production that manages such matters, so he'll probably be shielded of such work by the guild taking on the requests to build that type of infrastructure.

Existing infrastructure? As in, medieval paved (or not) roads? Dude, have you ever tried that kind of journey on such a scale? Because there's a good reason modern roads are very different from that. Let's forget about the very real threat of monster encounters, a good offroad car would be able to make it, but you'd need to constantly service it so that it wouldn't fall apart. Also, the length and comfort of such a trip would be murder, especially for the driver. It's not like the country wouldn't notice such regular activities too.

 

[finalm]

America is just poorly set up for train based transportation everywhere. We can blame some of that on zoning laws, but another is just how much SPACE we have. Unlike Europe or much of Asia, we don't have the population density to really argue for trains, which is why buses are much more common. It ends up being much cheaper to build out rather than up in most of America (leading to the characteristic sprawl of American cities) while the opposite is true in much of Europe and Asia, it's cheaper to build up than out.

Population density is just an excuse. Large American cities are also pretty much devoid of mass transit, compared to European ones. The very way they are built, with suburbs that are massively far away from everything means cars are a necessity. It's very much a case of successful lobbying to the detriment of an entire nation.

 

[Sionnach91]

I have a sudden thought that they might want Alicia to become the vanguard for Miyabi and Liz.

True. Conversation about a vanguard + the most obvious person declined + suddenly revealed Alicia is a capable knight + Alicia doesn't like Liz and needs to spend more time with her to see what she's truly like as a person + her own bosses are super manipulative?

Sounds like an excuse to have them spend more time together. Alicia would probably never agree to become an adventurer if she was still a maid.

 

[dankenglish]

If the organization responsible for maintenance can allocate a budget for securing materials, crafters will finally be able to level up. Even if they don't reach Miyabi's mega-warehouse level storage, they should be able to lug around a storage shed's worth, driving their value up like crazy.

Yeah, working crafters don't need to reach Miyabi's levels. Even getting good at just one aspect of their class means they can divide the work. Miyabi's example involved enchanting wind cubes, which is something a kid was able to do after some training.

 

[Digidestined701]

Wait what happen to the maid??? Nooooo

I mean, she's been actively hostile towards guests of the duchy. If she can't handle simply being polite to people she doesn't like, she really shouldnt be in a position to deal with political guests, something that would happen if she's the personal attendant of the duchess/ Crown Prince's fiance. Even if she's demoted to just a maid, she needs an attitude adjustment

 

[captain_crunch]

I have a sudden thought that they might want Alicia to become the vanguard for Miyabi and Liz.

That was my thought too. She's been present enough that I don't think she will just disappear from the story. And even though she was rude I don't think it would be enough setup to become a new villain. Was thinking the crafty Duke wanted someone to both help mc continue his adventure job when Liz is off at school, and someone loyal to him to spy on mc.

 

[Haxens]

Nugget of wisdom from the Nugget cave

 

[Quarterdane]

That's rough, buddy.

Hey, at least her boyfriend didn't turn into the sun or something.

 

[kikix12]

Miyabi is being really silly with this project. He doesn't even know how to build the engine for the locomotive and he's aiming for a train? He should be working on a car instead; far less horsepower needed and can travel on the existing road infrastructure. It will also fulfil the intended purpose of enabling two adventurers to travel more quickly over the 600 km distance.

Beyond the myriad of issues that come with such a project (permission to build, maintenance cost, etc), it seems to me that it will attract attention to his skills and he may be "asked" to keep working on such projects to link up other cities because he'll be able to do it in a fraction of the cost and time that it would take otherwise. Changing the travel time from two weeks to 12 hours is pretty transformative for the economy and the military after all, so there's no way the nobility and royalty won't ask him to contribute further. Then again, there is apparently a guild of infrastructure and production that manages such matters, so he'll probably be shielded of such work by the guild taking on the requests to build that type of infrastructure.

Absolutely not.

There is no existing road infrastructure. They're just plain ground, very uneven, with varying width's. He wouldn't be able to go much faster than in a horse-drawn carriage, just that he could run it for 14-16 hours a day instead of 8. He'd cut the time from 2 weeks to 1 week, which is still completely useless to them.
Not to mention, he'd be susceptible to monsters, bandits, risk endangering other travelers or outright getting stuck.
If there are any bridges along the way, they could possibly fail under the load as well (though he could make sturdier ones, I guess).

He also clearly had described how he intends to make the train move. There's literally no need for him to know how a train in our world works. No one also said that he plans on making the gargantuan things that we have currently. Who knows, it may be just the size of five or so wooden horse carriages (and may be wooden itself), so it wouldn't weight even as much as a single train wagon...Heck, depending on how it was constructed, it could even weight less than some of the larger cars. Though I do realize he probably will (that's the standard of fiction).

As for the remaining two arguments, they seem lacking.

First, permission to build? The existence of such a thing isn't as obvious. While 'building codes' are ancient (literally, apparently about 1770BC, so close to 3800 years ago), permits to construct something? And outside of a city too? While there were people that simply weren't allowed to have possession of their own, landowners generally could construct things rather freely. The codes were generic, very imprecise and likely building on your land, likely you didn't need to ask anyone. Just that if you didn't follow the building code (whatever it was in a given region), it'd get razed.
Towns and their general area are likely more strict though, so it is reasonable to expect that the construction would need to start some ways from both towns.

Second, he already attracted attention of the DUKE. At this point, him doing this isn't putting him in any more danger than he already is. If the duke wants to use him...he already will. If he doesn't, then he will be able to cover for him.

Even if not...sorry, but yeah. He's literally the last person that can actually be threatened like that. What will they do? Keep him at spears edge 24/7? Remember that there's no physical barrier that he cannot get rid of. He can just hide underground and travel literally anywhere he pleases unimpeded. It's impossible to lock him up. Even chains will do nothing, he can just get rid of them.
If this wasn't a light-hearted manga, I would say that he actually has the ability to singlehandedly destroy entire countries. Collapsing structures, sending people to their death at spike traps or crushing those around them by creating heavy items above their heads? He can do all those things. Unless you are aiming to kill him and manage to do it before he knows about the attempt...there's basically nothing that can be done for a user of magic that can do things like he can.
Of course...for plot purposes he won't be utilizing his abilities to the fullest. No protagonist ever does.

 

[Prominis]

Much of the complexity of building trains is laying down the rails and wrangling the terrain (tunneling, slope grading etc), considering Miyabi can build those as he walks, trains make sense.

People keep applying real world logic to Miyabi, smh.

 

[Nyaako]

Mel is still the best character in this.

 

[DrunkinDonut]

In all this discussion of making a train. Everyone seems to ignore that Miyabi barely knows what he's doing for infrastructure projects. As he specifically says, he doesn't know how steam engines work. He builds homes/castles, holes, and items. More likely than not, he's going to need to be paired up with someone who actually knows what to do with large scale projects. He has the skills, but admittedly not the knowledge to do what he wants properly. Like, with what he's shown so far, he probably needs to add in a return "track". A single One Way Lane, has issues if you're planning to actually make it useful. So his spouting out ideas now, is Fine. When someone says they want to fly, you don't immediately grill them on how they're planning to make a 747.


But some quick calculations, shows he needs to be able to travel at ~30 mph (So 1 Horse that doesn't get tired). Which isn't all that difficult for this tech level. Using just the magi-tech he's used so far, he could easily do his underground route with Fan Boats. He's already made a system where he somehow makes infinite water. Just make a system where you have a slight slope, and that fan boat can add a minor speed boost. No need for any fire suppression systems. Just needs some lights on the fan boat.

Now this is obviously less efficient with heavy cargoes, since they would displace a lot more water and thus need more thrust. But is relatively simple to do.

 

[Psychronia]

Come to think of it, 12 hours is a longer travel time than I expected.

Obviously a miracle by that world's standards, but if the goal is to ferry Liz back and forth, it might be a waste of a precious day. In which case, it's better to make it a nighttime trek for her which in turn means Miyabi should build sleeping accommodations on top of room for passengers and cargo (shipments? Freight?).

At that point, I wonder if you could create a luxury service for the nobility, separate from a train meant to carry inventory or large numbers of people.

 

[finalm]

Hey, at least her boyfriend didn't turn into the sun or something.

What reference is that?

 

[finalm]

In all this discussion of making a train. Everyone seems to ignore that Miyabi barely knows what he's doing for infrastructure projects. As he specifically says, he doesn't know how steam engines work. He builds homes/castles, holes, and items. More likely than not, he's going to need to be paired up with someone who actually knows what to do with large scale projects. He has the skills, but admittedly not the knowledge to do what he wants properly. Like, with what he's shown so far, he probably needs to add in a return "track". A single One Way Lane, has issues if you're planning to actually make it useful. So his spouting out ideas now, is Fine. When someone says they want to fly, you don't immediately grill them on how they're planning to make a 747.


But some quick calculations, shows he needs to be able to travel at ~30 mph (So 1 Horse that doesn't get tired). Which isn't all that difficult for this tech level. Using just the magi-tech he's used so far, he could easily do his underground route with Fan Boats. He's already made a system where he somehow makes infinite water. Just make a system where you have a slight slope, and that fan boat can add a minor speed boost. No need for any fire suppression systems. Just needs some lights on the fan boat.

Now this is obviously less efficient with heavy cargoes, since they would displace a lot more water and thus need more thrust. But is relatively simple to do.

Honestly, you don't have much use for engineering know-how if your magic does everything for you. The typical scenario where you'd need someone knowledgable would be in the construction of this massive tunnel itself. Things like, how to go about it, so that it doesn't collapse every Friday. This is most likely not an issue for him, since he managed to just hollow out a mountain without risk of collapse.

A 600 km inclined tunnel filled with water? You would need to somehow have it flowing in the direction of the journey and empty out there, otherwise it would just pool to the level of the start. That would necessitate even more deus ex machina to keep the tunnel from being eroded out by the water. Also, what about the return journey? Even if that incline is truly slight, it adds up over such a distance. You'd be scaling a mountain and flowing water isn't going to help anymore.

 

[Quarterdane]

What reference is that?

 

[finalm]

So his GF gained enough mass to form a spherical body under her own gravity. That IS rough...

 

[Quarterdane]

So his GF gained enough mass to form a spherical body under her own gravity. That IS rough...

Actually more along the lines of sacrificing herself to save the moon spirit's mortal form (a fish).